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The Drug's in the Mail - The Silk Road and our very own Tronica!

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Same thing could happen if you goto a mates house to score, or meet someone somewhere or phone a friends etc. For the amount of people 'apparently' using that site, i'm not hearing about very many busts. Maybe they are keeping them UC tho, or maybe i've missed a few either way, doesn't look like it's going anywhere. I'm sure we will hear of more busts as more and more people use it and more LE efforts are put into it
 
Same thing could happen if you goto a mates house to score, or meet someone somewhere or phone a friends etc. For the amount of people 'apparently' using that site, i'm not hearing about very many busts.
My thoughts exacly -
But apparently im not to talk about that here? -
If your breaking the law we don't want to know about it here. That is not what Bluelight is for.
Seriously then what the fuck is this thread for then? To tell everyone that SR exists but we must never speak of it???
they open everything anyway. They do this about once a year. The last one was domestic mail about 12 months ago so we are due.....
Hahaha where you getting this from mate? Sounds like YOU need to do a little more research imho.
 
My thoughts exacly -
But apparently im not to talk about that here? -
Seriously then what the fuck is this thread for then? To tell everyone that SR exists but we must never speak of it???

Hahaha where you getting this from mate? Sounds like YOU need to do a little more research imho.

Under the BLUA, which you agreed to, you are not allowed to incriminate yourself.

The Customs crackdowns have been well documented on here over the years. Everyone goes into a spin when it happens. The search engine is your friend.
 
That is until Customs do their regular operation where they open everything anyway. They do this about once a year. The last one was domestic mail about 12 months ago so we are due.....

australian silk road user arrested. they'd have been sitting on this guy for a while.

whatdrugs??// - you don't think by doing what you're doing initiates further investigation into your residence fake name or not. do some more research as verybuffed said.
 
Which person was Tronica? Nothing new was mentioned during that 7 minutes, *Yawn* Of course there will be health risks and also financial risks. U can say that about just about everything.

I agree Sustanon, nothing much new in that piece, and if you read my comments further up, I also say that these risks are inherent in almost everything we do!

The first thing I asked when they requested an interview was 'what's new in your piece?'. They said that the new thing was AFP and Customs speaking on TV about Silk Road for the first time (although they have done so on radio and in news articles prior to now). But for TV, that is enough!

What's actually new is the article mister has posted which was released last week as a working paper - fantastic to see someone with mad computer skillz is doing this kind of work on SR. I recommend you all download the pdf and read it - great to see some data and trends on the site.
 
Well, im not exaclty ordering kilos here mate...
And i suspect the reason its working time and time again, is because the cops simply have bigger fish to fry - I have no criminal convictions in my past or anything like that, so you tell me - what the worst that can happen to me if they decide for some reason to investigate 0.2 grams of 'whatever' they find addressed to my apartment block under a fake name? Should I be expecting a swat team in a van parked across the street next time I check the my mail?
Are they just letting me collect all these packages containing pissweak amounts of drugs while they have me under surveillance because they are gathering eveidence for their investigation to throw me in prison?
I dont think so, not when they have to much of this (http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/ice-drug-bust-worth-50m-police-20110505-1e9hp.html) going on to worry about little ol me..
But hey i could be wrong - if i am ill try and update from prison ok?
Cheers

I can see your argument and I've heard it from others who are ordering only in small amounts. Just remember to know the laws well, this document is useful:
http://www.dpmp.unsw.edu.au/DPMPWeb.nsf/resources/BULLETIN4/$file/DPMP+Bulletin+18+updated.pdf
It shows you all the relevant amounts in your state or territory above which you can expect a supply charge... and there is no guarantee that LE won't use people ordering small amounts as an example.

Here's a quote from the article which could be relevant:
In four jurisdictions the trafficable quantities for MDMA equals or exceeds 2 mixed grams. But in the other four jurisdictions it is much lower. Indeed, in SA and NT, possession of only 0.5 mixed grams of MDMA will make an offender liable to be charged with possession for the purposes of supply.
 
I can see your argument and I've heard it from others who are ordering only in small amounts. Just remember to know the laws well, this document is useful:
http://www.dpmp.unsw.edu.au/DPMPWeb.nsf/resources/BULLETIN4/$file/DPMP+Bulletin+18+updated.pdf
It shows you all the relevant amounts in your state or territory above which you can expect a supply charge... and there is no guarantee that LE won't use people ordering small amounts as an example.

Here's a quote from the article which could be relevant:

Good post Tronica.

We worked out that in the A.C.T. two pills qualifies for a trafficking charge by weight. Absolutely brutal.
 
Ive said it before and Ill say it again, I am shocked LE hasnt kicked the doors in of a few people making small orders (slightly above the trafficable quantity) from SR as a scare scare tactic to put people off from ordering from SR.
 
probably because it's one of the most regulated markets available...for the short time remaining.

if people were buying local it would probably prove that much more successful.
 
Well, im not exaclty ordering kilos here mate...
And i suspect the reason its working time and time again, is because the cops simply have bigger fish to fry - I have no criminal convictions in my past or anything like that, so you tell me - what the worst that can happen to me if they decide for some reason to investigate 0.2 grams of 'whatever' they find addressed to my apartment block under a fake name? Should I be expecting a swat team in a van parked across the street next time I check the my mail?
Are they just letting me collect all these packages containing pissweak amounts of drugs while they have me under surveillance because they are gathering eveidence for their investigation to throw me in prison?
I dont think so, not when they have to much of this (http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/ice-drug-bust-worth-50m-police-20110505-1e9hp.html) going on to worry about little ol me..
But hey i could be wrong - if i am ill try and update from prison ok?
Cheers

Not sure if u are aware that when they are tracking someone and have them under surveillance for an extended period of time, they may let all the stuff through, document it and let u do it for a very long time then they accumulate all the evidence and count it as one. Same thing happens when people sell to undercover, they let them import it and distribute it and at the end of the investigation they add all the charges up, so ongoing importation with distribution would be the likely charge also knowingly dealing with the proceeds of crime IF they can somehow convince the judge if u wernt even selling it. In there eyes small amounts seem like distribution, u know how they operate.
 
Just another example of how the law leads to maximising harms ... ordering some hardly known drug like 25i-NBOMe carries less legal danger than ordering a well known drug like MDMA, yet we know a lot more about MDMA than we do about 25i. *sigh*
 
SR is definitely generating a MASSIVE amount of interest from all over the world and from some unlikely places. Another write up on SR, this time by Forbes.

In the year since Senator Joe Manchin called for the “audacious” drug-selling website Silk Road to be “shut down immediately,” the world’s most high-profile underground pharmacy hasn’t just survived. With $22 million in annual sales and around double the commission for the sites owners compared with just six months ago, its black market business is booming.

In a research paper (PDF here) released earlier this month, Carnegie Mellon computer security professor Nicolas Christin has taken a crack at measuring the sales activity on Silk Road’s underground online marketplace, which runs as a “hidden service” on the Tor network and uses tough-to-trace digital Bitcoins as currency, two measures that have helped to obscure its sellers, buyers and operators from law enforcement.

His findings: the site’s number of sellers, who offer everything from cocaine to ecstasy, has jumped from around 300 in February to more than 550. Its total sales now add up to around $1.9 million a month. And its operators generate more than $6,000 a day in commissions for themselves, compared with around $2,500 in February.

Christin cautions that his study only looks at a six month period of Silk Road’s sales, and that a big part of the site’s measured success comes from appreciation in the highly volatile Bitcoin currency Silk Road trades in, which has itself increased close to 70% in value over the course of Christin’s study. But even accounting for changes in that crypto currency, the site’s numbers point to very real growth. “It’s very bursty and spikey, but overall the numbers are moving up,” says Christin. “It’s a stable marketplace, and overall it’s growing steadily.”

To dig up Silk Road’s sales numbers, Christin ran a program that crawled the site and scraped its content, including sales and pricing information, about once a day for a six month period. He used the feedback reviews posted to sellers’ pages to count sales and calculated the site operators’ revenue based first on their 6.23% commission, and then later using the tiered model with higher commissions that the site switched to in the middle of the period he studied. The results, with both commission models, are shown at right.

What surprised Christin most was the high level of customer satisfaction: 97.8% of customers gave sellers positive reviews, despite the fact that Silk Road’s use of Tor’s IP-masking abilities and Bitcoin makes it nearly impossible for anyone who uses the site to identify anyone else. “On a site like Silk Road, where…most of the goods sold are illicit, one would expect a certain amount of deception to occur. Indeed, a buyer choosing, for instance, to purchase heroin from an anonymous seller would have very little recourse if the goods promised are not delivered,” Christin writes. “Surprisingly, though, most transactions on Silk Road seem to generate excellent feedback from buyers.”

Christin was also struck by the fact that Silk Road has managed to grow steadily despite its complete lack of advertising. Despite requiring visitors to run special software and know a long and impossible-to-remember URL that doesn’t show up in Google results, it now generates roughly as much revenue, comparing with numbers from another recent study, as illegal online pharmacies that drum up sales with spam emails and black hat search engine tricks. The site hasn’t had much of a public profile lately, either: After some early notoriety from a Gawker story on the site last year and some political attention to the site’s criminal activities from Senator Chuck Schumer and others, it’s mostly slipped off the media radar, says Christin

“If you imagine them selling paperclips and buttons, they’re a stable business that’s growing without advertising or being in the news, just by word of mouth,” says Christin. “That was the surprising thing: How normal the whole thing seems.”

The fact that it doesn’t sell paperclips and buttons, however, but rather psilocybin and benzedrine, means that law enforcement likely still has Silk Road in its sights. The business takes significant precautions: Tor masks both the location of its servers and of its users by ricocheting Internet traffic through proxies, and Bitcoin makes its payments difficult to trace by avoiding traditional banks or payment companies. But users on the site have worried in forum conversations recently that its operators may have been infiltrated by law enforcement, and that several of its high-profile sellers have disappeared.

Eight operators of another anonymous drug-sales site, the Farmer’s Market, were indicted in April, possibly after the encrypted email service Hushmail decrypted their communications and gave them to police.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/08/06/black-market-drug-site-silk-road-booming-22-million-in-annual-mostly-illegal-sales/
 
aaaaand another...............

In part

More than a year later, the site has only grown in popularity, according to Nicolas Christin, author of the Carnegie Mellon report. Christin monitored the site from November 2011 to late July of this year. During that time, he found more than 24,000 unique items being sold. On November 29, there were 220 sellers, by the end of July, there were 564, a 156 percent increase.

"We see this market is growing—we can sit down and talk about what the appropriate response should be, should we try to shut them down," he says. "But we should revise this 'War on Drugs' concept. I don't think we should take this fight online."

He says any attempt to take down the site would likely require "serious resources."

"As a technologist, it doesn't seem like taking it down is a very viable option," he says. "The main thing running it is pure economics and demand—I doubt it's going away anytime soon."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/07/online-black-market-drug-haven-sees-growth-double
 
^^^
"As a technologist, it doesn't seem like taking it down is a very viable option," he says. "The main thing running it is pure economics and demand—I doubt it's going away anytime soon."

That is very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
 
i'm glad i'm not in the position of having to deal with all this shit. i've viewed the site and it all looks very tempting but i don't think i'd appreciate a knock on the door from the feds after buying a bundle.

+1 for the health services i receive:)
 
New article from Gawker, the very people who brought buying illicit drugs to the masses...........

Someone's getting rich off the online drug marketplace Silk Road. A new paper estimates that sales of drugs and other illicit goods on Silk Road total $22 million a year. Meanwhile, Silk Road got a fancy new redesign. It's officially boom times on the digital black market.

Silk Road is, of course, the online drug marketplace that uses the cryptocurrency Bitcoin and the anonymizing network Tor to allow users to sell weed, meth and ecstasy as easy as used books on eBay while keeping them relatively safe from law enforcement.

We don't know the identities of its members, but we finally know how big the thing is. Carnegie Mellon researcher Nicolas Christin used a computer program to crawl and download all the public listings on Silk Road for six months, from February to August 2012. (.Pdf of his paper here.) Christin found that sellers conducted an average of $1.9 million in total sales per month, or $22 million per year. (1,400 sellers were active over the period, though a 60-person "core" were the only ones active the entire period Christin conducted his observations.) This earned the site's operators, who get a cut of each transaction, around $143,000 a month in commissions—or $1.7 million a year.

And Silk Road continues to grow steadily, with about "50 new active sellers per month," according to the paper.

The leadership structure of Silk Road is a mystery, but it's safe to say the bulk of the ever-increasing sales commissions go to Silk Road's head administrator, known as Dread Pirate Roberts. Last month we wondered if authorities were closing in on DPR. DPR had been suspiciously quiet in recent months, and new reports had confirmed the DEA were investigating the site while rumors swirled of law enforcement infiltration.

But then DPR came back with a bang in late July, announcing a spiffy new redesign that updated the bulky Silk Road interface with smooth Web 2.0 corners and other improvements.

"I feel it matches the integrity and professionalism of our community and the robust technology that empowers it," DPR wrote on July 22nd when introducing the update. "New comers will now have the confidence they need to take that leap of faith and make their first purchase."

Like any successful businessman, DPR is putting some of his earnings back into operations.

Nothing really new in this article, like most its just a re-hash (excuse the pun)

http://gawker.com/5932924/booming-silk-road-drug-market-boasts-22-million-per-year-in-sales-fancy-redesign

It amazes me that SR has survived this long and full credit must be given to DPR for avoiding arrest whilst brazenly earning a small fortune in full view of LE in multiple countries. Quite an amazing feat really.
 
New article from Gawker, the very people who brought buying illicit drugs to the masses...........



Nothing really new in this article, like most its just a re-hash (excuse the pun)

http://gawker.com/5932924/booming-silk-road-drug-market-boasts-22-million-per-year-in-sales-fancy-redesign

It amazes me that SR has survived this long and full credit must be given to DPR for avoiding arrest whilst brazenly earning a small fortune in full view of LE in multiple countries. Quite an amazing feat really.

Thanks for that mate. I had never seen any pictures of Silk Road. Now I don't have to try and view the site out of curiosity.
 
There will be an article in today's Age/SMH online and in tomorrow's print version updating the Silk Road story for Australian audiences (based on the new report and all these articles, so nothing we don't already know). I've been informed I'll be requoted from previous statements I've made...

No, it's certainly not going away any time soon!
 
haha, yeah well it would suck to order a few hundred dollars worth of stuff and customs just happen to intercept it right? buy locally (if possible)
 
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