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I don't believe in God as a being, what I was suggesting was that maybe in some unknown place someone created a computer program and programmed it to create this universe and all of the life in it.

For all we know we are just bit parts in a massive computer simulation.
 
I'm familiar with the computer simulation argument, thanks for the link though.


About god, who would you define as god if we are in a computer simulation? the programmer that sat at his desk and created us? is just as likely he is a simulation too if you go by the simulation argument. Where does it stop and become real? What is real?
 
Mugz said:
I'm familiar with the computer simulation argument, thanks for the link though.
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i actually assumed you knew about that one already. the content of what you said prior made it apparent. i wanted to share the link with the rest of the thread though :)


About god, who would you define as god if we are in a computer simulation? the programmer that sat at his desk and created us? is just as likely he is a simulation too if you go by the simulation argument. Where does it stop and become real? What is real?
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the mathemetician Godel said that if one is to form a definition of a reasonably complex thing then the definition must by necessity be either incomplete or incorrect (or in all likelihood both incomplete AND incorrect)

so who sets the first definition?

imo god is that which cannot be defined.

"god is that which cannot be defined" is a paradoxical statment (it is a definition) and yet it is true

therefore logic is an illusion

god gives order to all things

and we should quit questioning so much and just enjoy :)
 
I think most people would define God as the programmer, the creator, as he would be the one that created all life in this simulation. That is based on God being the creator as a definition of God. He/she would be no more of a god than you or me though IMO, and to be honest I don't believe in any form of traditional God.
 
just quickly, I really need to head out, but basically I mean that I believe that someday in the future one of us humans will create a similar simulation, would they then be a god? I doubt the rest of humanity would call them a god, but the people in the simulation would.
 
not all realities are simulations

there must be one original reality in the chain that was not a simulation

that is, unless everything is a strange loop. we live in a physical universe though and as far as i can tell strange loops are not PHYSICALLY possible.

i.e. physical representations of mobious strips are never truly mobious strips...

(unless matter is actually bad ass lookin shiny mobious strips at the most basic level, and we're just constantly munching away at these video game coins piled up to form the shape of food.... working up the high score for our dna.........)
 
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You can make an actual Mobius strip out of paper, it's not hard. A round square isn't a strange loop, it's just a contradiction.
 
not a TRUE mobious strip in my opinion, because the strip has width, length, and *depth* if you make it out of paper.

a true mobious strip has no depth (imo here, i haven't looked at the "official" definition)

i almost edited out that round square bit, and i am going to now that you mention that point. knew someone was gonna say it =p i actually mentioned "round squares" because it was another thing that is physically impossible (i.e. a contradiction like you said) but *technically* conceptually possible (though the idea will never go past the conception stage)
 
No true Scotsman, eh? I thought that the defining property of the strip was that it had only one side.
 
well it can only have one side if it is 2 dimensional. so.... yeah.

paper always has an edge. that counts as a side, though it is a very small side.

a mobious strip has one side but two dimensions and is a three dimensional object. crazy ass paradox.
 
if there are infinite multiverses I don't see why there can't be infinite simulation realities either. It would be strange for there to not be one at the top that is "real" but we will never know, just as we will never fly in a spaceship to the edge of the universe.
 
I guess the object has 2 sides then, but it has two surfaces which each have only one side. In any case, your real Mobius strip can be seen as two interwoven Mobius strips, right? So you've created two actual strips, even if they can't exist independently of one another.
 
Mugz said:
just as we will never fly in a spaceship to the edge of the universe.
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we could perhaps do this if we somehow traveled past the current outer boundary of matter that was created by the big bang.... but then the boundary line of the "edge of the universe" would be set by our space shuttle... and for any matter by the time anyone outside of our shuttle received information on where our shuttle was we wouldn't even be there anymore :)

relativity is fucked up stuff

Vader said:
I guess the object has 2 sides then, but it has two surfaces which each have only one side. In any case, your real Mobius strip can be seen as two interwoven Mobius strips, right? So you've created two actual strips, even if they can't exist independently of one another.
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from wiki:

The Möbius strip or Möbius band (pronounced UK: /ˈmɜːbiəs/ or US: /ˈmoʊbiəs/ in English, [ˈmøːbi̯ʊs] in German) (alternatively written Mobius or Moebius in English) is a surface with only one side and only one boundary component.
 
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