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[ForEverAfter]

It is a full moon... I saw a fire truck today.... Dawn made it to Ceres today... The Rays from the Sun reflect on the full moon as Dawn... Ceres... A series?

You remind me of Arnold Rimmer in this scene from Red Dwarf, "Thanks for the Memories".

...

The Cat and Lister wake up with broken legs.
A jigsaw that Lister was working on, has been completed by someone.
Rimmer proceeds to explain how aliens are responsible...

Rimmer: It's a well documented phenomenon. They kidnap you, give you a mind probe, erase your memory, and put you back.
Lister: OK, aliens came aboard.
Rimmer: Without question.
Lister: They broke my leg.
Rimmer: For some reason.
The Cat: They broke MY leg.
Rimmer: Right.
Holly: And then they did a jigsaw.
Rimmer: Right.
Holly: Well, that's cleared that up then.
Rimmer: Look, you're not thinking alien. That's what aliens are: alien. They do alien things. Things that are... alien. Maybe this is the way they communicate.
The Cat: By breaking legs?
Lister: And doing jigsaws?
Rimmer: Why should they speak the way we do? They're aliens.
Lister: OK, professor, what does it mean?
Rimmer: Maybe, maybe, OK? Breaking your leg hurts like hell, OK? "Hel." They do it below the knee, "lo." "Hel-lo," gettit? They do it twice - twice, "two." "Hello two." And the jigsaw must mean "you." "Hello to you."
[pause]
The Cat: I wouldn't like to be around when one of these suckers is making a speech!

 

[What 23]

also, my french teacher's first name was andrew. that name does not appear anywhere in this thread.

but imagine if it did. that would be an amazing coincidence, right? it's like it actually happened. but it didn't. but just imagine if it did.

alasdair

I just got off of work, and on the way back, I delivered an order to a patient named Michelle Lucas. Why does Lucas remind me of Anderson? I know!! There was a Lucas who worked with me at Dominos, who got hired on at the same time as a guy with the last name Andrews, or Anderson... I forget his first name but he looked exactly like my room-mate, Charles. This Andrews, or Anderson person, his birthday was a 23rd. I was drawn to him because of how similar he looked to my old roommate, and that my roommates phone number was 3223 and I was involved with him when I began to see the number 23, being close friends, etc. And then the guy quit suddenly on the 23rd of some month, having something happen. Lucas was from Brazil.

Some of these are details. Brainstorming on a page. Throwing spaghetti at a wall to see if anything sticks.

Lucas is an Italian name.

Hmm.

I must have connected (my mind, now remembering, also with weight of current associations, as Lucas didn't initially register as anything... But there is subjective, at least, association, perhaps etymology or origin of a name-- I can't remember exactly) it with Zena Grey-- With Alex Grey, as he is Italian. And I've been attracted to his art, and his wife's art, and their daughter, Zena. She interests me for various reasons. That her name has a sum of 62, her father sent me prints numbered 26/100 of 'Visions', her first name begins with Z and ends with A, has a sum of 19 (S, I associate alphabets/language with serpents/snake), the middle letter of all three names together is T (the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, of which she has connection), which belongs in 'Lotus', which I have found symbolic and relatable to my experience, and was the first point I even paid attention to lotus symbolism. Last name Grey... Black and/or white. Indecision. Split. Polarity. Unity. I don't know, but I've been inspired/influenced, have reflected. I did come to awareness of her when I was delving into, into studying the alphabet, and symbols/characters, so her name was (as many were, but hers uniquely certainly) interesting. Is.

Anyways.

The guy who looked like my roommate, his name I seem to remember was William. Anderson. My last name is Thomas, so when we were each working, on the driver computer/board it would show Thomas Anderson (now I remember), and it made me think of Neo from The Matrix.

I know I followed a bolt of lighting through some branches there, or tried to say how it went, but I'm trying to get back to the ground, or wherever...

My delivery to Michelle Lucas...
I had just written a post on a synchronicity group, on Facebook. Michael Collett (analyzation not attempted) was the responder, and we were talking.

Inside the building, the hall I was delivering to was 400-hall. No nurse was there when I arrived. There was a CNA, and she went to get the nurse. I saw my reflection, as there is a big mirror behind the nurses station, taking up a good part of the wall(s). I look at myself, then open my phone to take a... An entertaining picture. But when I open it, this following image is up, and I don't know how it got there (surely there is a 'rational' explanation).

https://m.facebook.com/dozydoats

This is of Zena Grey. It is her Facebook profile image. When I saw that a certain 4 may fit in between 2 and 3, I considered that this image, which at first evoked in me a "huh" response, looks like it could be a letter/character (blue color). Her mom, Allyson draws characters/an alphabet-- it is a repeating part in her work.

Furthermore, to support this, perhaps, the cover image is this:

Mainframe

Centered is the man typing something.
This- seeing her image as with a letter was what was in focus in my mind when I saw the fire engine 23 the day you-alasdair mentioned fire engine (and it was about all I had gotten to in your post by that point).

In a few minutes I may take down her picture and find some way to link it differently, as I feel, like FEA has told me, like I am wrong to share it. It's always a battle on what to keep a secret and what to tell. Honor truth? Is not telling hiding?

https://m.facebook.com/dozydoats

So there I was, about to take a picture of myself making a funny, sort of, face, and I opened my phone to see this image of her.

The nurse came, after some minutes. She signed Williams-Andrews, using my pen. I clarified, and said thank you, goodbye, have a good morning/day, and she told me to have a blessed day, which I felt to be special and genuine, and said "you as well".

In my car again, there is an alert that Lisa Gray likes my post in the synchronicity forum. My post's first like.

Then I read back on your posts, alasdair's posts here, and decided that he wasn't mocking me, after laughing out loud some to FEA's post.

My last delivery of the day was signed for by a woman with the last name (Williams)-Andrews. Andrew means manly.

I'm neglecting some to keep it simple, and probably because I don't see it, or get it... and to have a stopping place.
Laura...

(Edit: Because I don't want to edit the first paragraph right now, Lucas was hired on I think when Anderson quit-- not at the same time)

 

[What 23]

Continued...

http://thatsright.com/wp-content/gallery/vintage-120412/vintage-23.jpg

The pharmacy where I picked up the medication was right next to the facility that I delivered to.

Before (just), William Chasteen, I commented "ay caramba!" to an image he posted (above, however this is the base, his posted image mentioned it as Time 1955's "perfect body").

I only now realized it, thinking "why/what about William?" recently, not remembering about William in this Ceres I mean serious no... Series. Order. Unfolding. My realization/reflection happened because William Toles just commented on the same image, as I was alerted to when I pulled up the wikipedia to investigate who this Arrrnold Rimmer is.

Arnold Rimmer. The H. Something drew me to H before. One of these posts. Thought to say-- I may remember yet. The H on his forehead. He's a hologram. Goal-post head. Alphabet-head...

 

[ebola?]

Are you familiar with the cognitive-neuroscientific idea of spreading activation?

The idea here is that the invocation of one idea tends to lead to 'activation' of closely related concepts, both in terms of influencing unconscious processing, 'priming' response to concepts related to that which one is currently employing (often leading to more rapid perception of exemplars of 'activated' concepts), but also shaping the direction that explicit cognition takes. So subjectively, particularly insofar as one is unaware of spreading activation, one could mistake activation of proximate concepts and its influence on perception for close connections between externally observed events. Eg, if my first car was a honda accord, and a conversation reminds me of the memories I've had of it, I will become more likely to observe hondas driving near me at that moment, appearing as apparent synchronicity between my thoughts and how reality around me manifests.

Because so much of cognition occurs unconsciously, we quite rarely have any clearly idea of the origins of the patterns of cognition we experience. Thus, I think that synchronicity is more of a beginning point than any sort of end, something to be explained on grounds outside of the concept of synchronicity.


ebola

 

[kaya_9]

Synchronicity
A connecting principle,
Linked to the invisible
Almost imperceptible
Something inexpressible.
Science insusceptible
Logic so inflexible
Causally connectable
Nothing is invincible
It's so deep, it's so wide
Your 'inside'
Synchronicity
Effect without a cause
Sub-atomic laws, scientific pause
Synchronicity...

-The Police

 

[ebola?]

Honestly, I wish we could focus on philosophical discussion of synchronicity. It might be more fruitful to focus on what the concept is, what phenomena bring it about, and what its implications are, rather than listing examples without delving into further context or implications.

ebola

 

[What 23]

Are you familiar with the cognitive-neuroscientific idea of spreading activation?

The idea here is that the invocation of one idea tends to lead to 'activation' of closely related concepts, both in terms of influencing unconscious processing, 'priming' response to concepts related to that which one is currently employing (often leading to more rapid perception of exemplars of 'activated' concepts), but also shaping the direction that explicit cognition takes. So subjectively, particularly insofar as one is unaware of spreading activation, one could mistake activation of proximate concepts and its influence on perception for close connections between externally observed events. Eg, if my first car was a honda accord, and a conversation reminds me of the memories I've had of it, I will become more likely to observe hondas driving near me at that moment, appearing as apparent synchronicity between my thoughts and how reality around me manifests.

Because so much of cognition occurs unconsciously, we quite rarely have any clearly idea of the origins of the patterns of cognition we experience. Thus, I think that synchronicity is more of a beginning point than any sort of end, something to be explained on grounds outside of the concept of synchronicity.


ebola

That sounds interesting. I think that I am part of the system. I think that I think that I can control, but I'm not sure. I do prime myself to see certain things, which may ultimately follow the same pattern. It may be something ultimately very simple, but out of reach of my complete understanding. Unlike what others may think I imply, I don't mean to say this is magic. I'm not sure what to call it. Any of it. Fire. Cool. Silkice.

Ah, speaking of Michael (Michelle, Michael-- Last post), it is Michael Herdrich's birthday.

Michael is archangel of fire.

The alert came just after I said fire, pausing on it, then somewhere around 'silk'ice(? close)

Forgive me.

But I feel... I don't know what is going on.
I function normally.
I'm kind of a robot.
I actually function socially normally with people, I just don't spend time with them. Not normally. I value seeing family. And when I socialize I enjoy it... But I feel I need a reason. Very governed by feeling.
But also a governor.

I think having a pattern is good. Building a complex pattern. I don't anymore imply I have a true ending. I don't know.

I respect your views, though. Honestly much of the time I find you hard to follow, but that is not meant as an insult.

I have to say I think there is something to it, even if there is not. Earlier I was thinking about symbols... How people can see symbolism in life, because symbols are made of life. Synchronicity often has these forms... Archetypes. Resonances.
Sometimes, it feels made.
I often compare myself with a chain, being pulled along... Occasionally bit into. Maybe other times it's like sex, or other things.

I don't think that it is merely a bias in what I'm choosing to see-- at least not what I sometimes often see as me, if that is something you said. I don't doubt that this may play a role. But I am not sure if I have free will. That challenges me. The struggle of consciousness. Like you said, we are very unconscious. Mostly. But what I do is look out and see a system that I live in and depend on, and my heart, in a way, beats as one. It must. It is not that far- any of it. There is no distance.

Nothing.

Nothing.

But I still see light. And nothing was grey. Black would be me. Probably.

I think things on a level must be one. One is accessable to all. Though I have one, I have divided one. Numbers... Meaningless in a sense, true in a sense, false in a sense...
But I tend to think they're something.

 

[kaya_9]

Honestly, I wish we could focus on philosophical discussion of synchronicity. It might be more fruitful to focus on what the concept is, what phenomena bring it about, and what its implications are, rather than listing examples without delving into further context or implications.

ebola

Look up Jung...It's his concept. I'm sure you probably know that...For people to have a fruitful discussion, it may mean they need to understand or even somewhat agree on the meaning of the classic term...

I posted those lyrics b/c that's what I think it's about..those lyrics are based on Jungian philosophy. I did not mean to 'give examples', although I've had some.

Sometimes, music is the best way to think deeply about a subject ...just another way to illustrate understanding. That is my understanding of synchronicity. So that's fine if anybody doesn't want to talk about that...As I realize it's all my opinion in the first place. I will still give it, fwiw.

I don't necessarily expect anybody to discuss it with me in the first place anymore, btw. I still like to post my thoughts though.

You seem to have to have been around on this forum for awhile before anybody will have a conversation/reply to anything...besides throw insults at a newb in the Lounge. Not in a 'cute way' either...smh.

 

[What 23]

It interests me that the same (resonant) discussion is occurring on the synchronicity group (on Facebook), as above.

I think both/all can be shared, and/or discussed...

 

[kaya_9]

I think both/all can be shared, and/or discussed...

I appreciate that, if you're addressing me, that is...I don't do the Facebook thing anymore...had one years ago, before it blew up.... I lost interest. Enjoy your time in the P&S social!

 

[Ninae]

I received a sample of a new Kratom extract that is stronger than UEI yesterday. Result - predictable.

I still consider Kratom a clean and relatively harmless opiate, though, or better to use/abuse than painkillers. What I wouldn't touch is Heroin or street powders, or that is my limit.

Both the drug itself and the social stigma of it is just too much (and I don't want to lose all social support).

 

[Xorkoth]

It's definitely better than full opiates to abuse, and if you don't abuse it it's safe and a great tool, even medicine if you use it that way. I just wanted to put out there that I got massively addicted to kratom for 7 years, and eventually moved to poppy tea because it basically stopped working for me at all. It was an addiction as soul-crushing as any opiate addiction, because despite the fact that I wasn't using heroin or the needle, I was a total slave to a substance and the addiction slowly destroyed my sense of self-worth and self-esteem, and eventually had me to where I wanted to die. So just be careful is what I'm saying, it's not as harmless as people make it out to be. It produces physical dependence which can get quite severe if you use it a lot (I was using it 3-4 times per day for years which, yes, is a lot but I developed the physical addiction relatively quickly (within a month) when I was using it just once per day). Myself and some other posters I know actually find the physical dependence of kratom when it gets severe to be worse in some ways than any other opiate we've been addicted to, mostly the restlessness (which for me is the worst part of withdrawal)... the restlessness is so much more severe than anything else I've been addicted to.

 

[Ninae]

I'll get into this a bit more later, but just wanted to say that restlessness has been an ongoing problem throughout my life. When I was younger there were periods when I had to walk 1-3 hours a day to keep it at bay and I would be prescribed Klonopin, etc. But I now think it was essentially a nutritional imbalance, probably lack of Magnesium.

And for the past couple of years I've also been using Magnesium citrate to successfully inhibit any of those symptomps, like restless legs when you try to sleep and even the aggressive kind that you get from Seroquel. I normally take two 300 mgs twice a day. Any more isn't a good idea as it also works as a laxative.

Although it is a muscle-relaxer and also works as a relaxant for the nervous sysyem and I once came accross a naturopath who suggested a regime of 1-3 grams Magnesium 3-4 times a day (or something like that, I can't remember exactly) for benzo withdrawal. This might work if you can find a type that is free of laxatives or you're only going to get dehydrated/malnourished which will make you even worse.

I sometimes wonder if the laxative is added to prevent it being used as a natural sedative, though. I have taken it to induce sleep a few times where 900 mgs have been enough to make me sleep (works kind of similar to Valerian). One time I also found a combination of Magnesium and high-grade Green Tea made me feel better than a combination of Klonopin and a legal stimulant I had been using for a few days before.

(I think one thing was that it was much healthier for my body as the stimulant was pretty toxic but I definitely felt a lot better - I had virtually been poisoning myself and was coming off it)

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I have also had restless legs throughout my life, mostly as a kid... me and my mom and brother all did. It wasn't recognized as a real thing by the medical community yet so we just called it "crazy legs" and our doctor scoffed at us and told us to just relax and stop flexing our leg muscles. It was hell at times. The restlessness from kratom withdrawal was like 1000 times more intense... I'd be laying in bed not only kicking my legs but my ARMS and my entire torso... like my whole body was trying to jump out of my skin and the only way to get 2 seconds of relief was to thrash my entire body. Sometimes it made me cry and scream after hours of trying to sleep, and I'd start punching my legs as hard as possible until they went numb... this would give me relief for 1-2 minutes. It was the hardest part to get past, that and the fact that I couldn't sleep a WINK because of it for at least a week, even with strong sedatives. Usually I'd make it through the 4th night and then on the 5th day I'd be so mentally broken down from lack of sleep and pain/discomfort that I'd relapse just so I could sleep and get more than 2 seconds of relaxation.

 

[Ninae]

It can be sheer hell. I can remember icy winters when the temperature could get down to below -20 Celcius and I would have to have my minimum 2 hour walk to keep it at bay. It could be the middle of a snowstorm and it didn't matter. But that was before I discovered drugs or natural medicine.

Innocent times, but almost drove me crazy. Really ruins your life and people really can't understand it. I think "stir-crazy" is the colloquial term but I don't find it very funny. Even worse to believe doctors have no remedy to suggest for it, but I have noticed they are very unwilling to suggest natural means in general, and don't know if it's even allowed or part of their job description.

It's like they just go silent even if they know. Even I have many things I could suggest to help people learned from personal experience. But I've noticed this is usually treated with distaste (especially if it's learned through drug-abuse). Knowledge is stiill knowledge, though, and I would rather have the correct knowledge regardless of source. The world just tends to work the other way around, but like I say it's a crazy world, and it gets crazier by the minute (systematic madness but madness all the same).

 

[Erikmen]

It's definitely better than full opiates to abuse, and if you don't abuse it it's safe and a great tool, even medicine if you use it that way. I just wanted to put out there that I got massively addicted to kratom for 7 years, and eventually moved to poppy tea because it basically stopped working for me at all. It was an addiction as soul-crushing as any opiate addiction, because despite the fact that I wasn't using heroin or the needle, I was a total slave to a substance and the addiction slowly destroyed my sense of self-worth and self-esteem, and eventually had me to where I wanted to die. So just be careful is what I'm saying, it's not as harmless as people make it out to be. It produces physical dependence which can get quite severe if you use it a lot (I was using it 3-4 times per day for years which, yes, is a lot but I developed the physical addiction relatively quickly (within a month) when I was using it just once per day). Myself and some other posters I know actually find the physical dependence of kratom when it gets severe to be worse in some ways than any other opiate we've been addicted to, mostly the restlessness (which for me is the worst part of withdrawal)... the restlessness is so much more severe than anything else I've been addicted to.

I have experienced the worst withdraws due to opiates, even when I wasn't abusing. I used methadone and thought it was all resolved. No more pains, normal life, and despite of the warmth feelings and total calmness I had with opiates, it all went away.
It was like a small miracle and all I had to do was to deal with side effects and maintain the same dosage as I did for years.
At that time they didn't tell me that if I wanted to simply quit I would have to make a long visit to hell. And that was what I had been dealing with.
It did teach me there is no easy or magical way out of our life's problems, I just didn't think it had to be that harsh. I feel I was deeply punished for my naïve mind although that was nothing pure or innocent from my previous behavior towards hard core opiates.
You've mentioned restlessness and I hate that with all my heart. It normally takes 5 hours to pass. And although I had quit for some time now I know the only way out is to wait, as I can't risk going back to this again. No kratom and very limited SOS relaxants.

 

[Ninae]

Magnesium really is a miracle cure for restless leg syndrome and it's something I fortunately haven't had to endure since I found that out. It's a direct muscle-relaxant and works in a different way than benzodiapines and similar drugs do. More natural, and you don't build up a tolerance to it.

It's one of those few things you don't just have to try out to see if it might work but definitely does. Before I could be kicking the sheets for hours and it really was a nightmare. So I can't believe there was such an easy cure all along and I went through all that effort for no need. The cause was probably malnourishment after transitioning to a vegetarian diet but I wasn't informed enough to make the connection.

But, yes, leading a healthy lifestyle with enough exercise and nutrition is what it's all about. Kind of crazy I would be prescribed Klonopin for that when I could just have been told to adjust my diet and take supplemental Magnesium. It's things like these that make me sceptical of doctor's procedures, I don't see how it couldn't.

 

[Erikmen]

Oh, I will most definitely try it. Thank you for this!

 

[Xorkoth]

Nice, I am going to get some I think. I rarely get restless legs now that I am well off opiates, I think age has calmed my restlessness. But there are other times when I'd like a muscle relaxant, ie, I took a long-acting psychedelic or something and want to sleep. I'd rather take magnesium than a bunch of alcohol or a benzo. So thanks.

 

[Ninae]

Yes, that was what I wanted to get accross. That it's not just one of those long shots that might or might not work and can be considered bordeline superstitious. It really cuts to the core of problem and I don't know of anything like it (and as it's the body's natural muscle-relaxant Magnesium depletion is likely involved somewhere).

At least I'm very interested in hearing other's response to it as I can't really be that unique. It's just irritating the way helpful information like this is kept quiet for the benefit of medicine sales. Or if a lack of an essential nutrient is the issue why not look to fix that first before getting medicated for it?

But that gets you to just the argument of naturopaths or natural medicine practioners and I have to say they do make sense. Look to cure the cause, not the symptoms. It's like if someone are iron-deficient they could have a whole load of symptoms they could be prescribed medications for.