The DEA is out for blood... from reading this document a lot is going down...

Like CH said, shit isn't going to really change at all. If anything (imo), we are going to see a resurgance in the "classic street drugs" that have been cut to shit in lue of this. Quality and production will go up.
 
DexterMeth said:
You forgot amphetamines.
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Yeah but 2-FA, 4-FA, 4-FMA, etc are already readily available. Odd that they're more interested in banning phenethylamines than amphetamines since none of those are on there...

I'd like to see the 4,5 and 5,6-MDO's made... Prohibitively expensive though and probably not worth it. HOT-7 worries me because there could be 2C-T-7 found in the finished batch...

And yeah DexterMeth I think you're right about the street drug thing - the thing is a lot of the people doing these research chems don't have access to street drugs anyway. I mean I would have most certainly chosen MD(M)A over methylone any day... not sure about mephedrone though.
 
It's happening because everyone started jumping on the "foxy" bandwagon, and there goes the hood.

Stims always take longer to get banned, because the original users know what they're doing ..until they have to dawn their tin-foil hats.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Yeah but 2-FA, 4-FA, 4-FMA, etc are already readily available. Odd that they're more interested in banning phenethylamines than amphetamines since none of those are on there...
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It'll take them another 2-3 years to discover them. The less we talk about it the better? =D

Golden opportunity to stock up on all of these before the government takes out whomever may be supplying such substances...
 
I think the "foxy" bandwagon is a little bit of an overstatement. That was one sadistic drug. You take one dose one day and have a pretty decent time and then take the same dose a few weeks later and end up going psychotic. No bueno.

I guess you're right on the stims part... I mean they still haven't done anything about clenbuterol and that stuff will make you drop weight like a son of a bitch... I think that less people go to the ER for stims than psychedelics with PV and meth being notable exceptions...

I don't think the research market is going anywhere though. There's new chemical developments all the time. And honestly I'm amazed that the UK hasn't nailed AMT... That one got its ass kicked over here relatively quickly. They even have the good orange synthesis AMT over there! *sigh*
 
DexterMeth said:
It was an overstatement on purpose.

"Foxy" is the reason why all the other good ones are now known. Well, I guess you could blame AMT as well, but AMT is OLD..
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As much as I hate to admit it (AMT being my favorite drug) I do believe it was AMT that started the whole mess - It became huge in CO when it was legal and cheap to order and a guy started selling it in pills - kids took them, got sick, mixed them with MDMA and you know the history.
 
Actually... holy crap... The first pressed pills with foxy in them since 2002 hit this year on edata... 13 of them with one of them being moxy instead... Maybe you're right. I guess more people enjoyed foxy than I thought. Personally I thought it was a shit drug (literally and figuratively)...
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I recently tried moxy (5-meo-MIPT) and I liked it. Just my 2 cents.
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Oh I thoroughly enjoy moxy. It is everything foxy promised to be and failed to be... God sex on that drug is out of this world! I just don't see it being suitable for rave environments nor do I want to see it meet the ban hammer like AMT and foxy... it is hard as hell to find as it is!

@nubnub - Not my story to tell. From what I understand was somewhere around circa 2002-2003 there was a Bluelight hotel gathering set up and it was posted about publicly - the cops were there waiting and people got searched, arrested, etc. Just goes to show you just how much the feds monitor what we say online.
 
Yea people are always saying the site gets lots of LE traffic. Never heard of proof till that :/
 
nubnub said:
Yea people are always saying the site gets lots of LE traffic. Never heard of proof till that :/
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Guaranteed that they watch this, LHG, SR, EK, and a whole host of other sites as best they can (some of them are deep net sites so they are slightly harder to monitor).
 
^Haha I believe I've nearly been where you speak of. A dark place indeed 8(
 
I feel weird mentioning NBOME's and other 2c related chems for them to add to the final version of the bill, as well as the tryptamines and any other chemicals you like. The whole reason the DEA knows what to ban is because of sites like these.

The best way to defend them is to NOT jump on the bandwagon, not discuss substitutes OPENLY (as in, of course find a small community to privately discuss these things with, just not on a public forum thats known for being watched)
 
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