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The Cost of Immigration

Dude you are going to get banned.

Probably, but I don't see why. I've said repeatedly my problem is with certain islamic teachings, and the Muslims who follow those teachings. Not all Muslims. My opposition to Islam is largely founded on my love for and instincts to protect women and vulnerable people.
 
Probably, but I don't see why. I've said repeatedly my problem is with certain islamic teachings, and the Muslims who follow those teachings. Not all Muslims. My opposition to Islam is largely founded on my love for and instincts to protect women and vulnerable people.

Because you keep posting over and over again the same point - we all have our own opinions BUT sometimes its just better to keep them to yourself especially when it comes to religion, race, politics
 
Because you keep posting over and over again the same point - we all have our own opinions BUT sometimes its just better to keep them to yourself especially when it comes to religion, race, politics

This is a forum for discussion of current events and politics. Pretty ridiculous that I should have to censor myself.
 
No, this is a harm reduction forum that has clear guidelines about the fact that racist content is not welcome.

If you're not mature enough to follow the forum guidelines without having a tantrum, again it is your problem - not ours.
 
No, this is a harm reduction forum that has clear guidelines about the fact that racist content is not welcome.

If you're not mature enough to follow the forum guidelines without having a tantrum, again it is your problem - not ours.

What have I said that was racist?
 
Interesting that at the point I provide clear evidence of girls being badly impacted by Muslim Immigration, spacejunk decides to get triggered and pull the racist card.
 
There's half a billion Muslim men in the world, do you think they all . . . oh, Bible verse. You could've started off with that so we wouldn't have to waste our time treating this like an actual argument, subject to logic. In this case, is the "hate in the world" directed at poor martyred you and your beliefs, or the refugees forced to deal with it?
 
Interesting that at the point I provide clear evidence of girls being badly impacted by Muslim Immigration, spacejunk decides to get triggered and pull the racist card.
can you help me understand how, when you respond to an issue here you're just responding to an issue, but when somebody who disagrees with you responds, they're "triggered"?

you know it has a negative connotation and you're obviously using it to inflame. divisive talk like that just separates people further. how about you try giving it a break?

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can you help me understand how, when you respond to an issue here you're just responding to an issue, but when somebody who disagrees with you responds, they're "triggered"?

you know it has a negative connotation and you're obviously using it to inflame. divisive talk like that just separates people further. how about you try giving it a break?

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Because I was making my points sensibly and he then started calling me a racist and referred me to the user agreement, simply because he didn't like the face I brought up Muslim grooming gangs abusing non Muslim girls on a massive scale.
 
It refers to girls (mainly white girls, also some Indian, from poor backgrounds, many in state care) who were raped by gangs of muslim men who were mainly of Pakistani origin. They were also passed between gangs in different cities which is where I'm assuming you got the human trafficking bit from..

The response by the authorities was largely non-existent because officials (cops, social workers, teachers) were either themselves reluctant to pursue the cases or were pressured not to. This was because they were afraid of causing conflict between racial/religious groups by bringing to wider attention the substantial number of Muslim sex offenders.

The left wing has largely gone AWOL on this, because it pretty severely undermines the whole diversity is great narrative.

Who would've thought importing large numbers of muslim men (who follow a religion founded by someone who raped a 9 year old girl) from countries where women are treated as cattle would have these kind of negative effects? Crazy huh?

But what's that? Non-muslims rape too?? Oh ok, guess they were right to sweep that under the rug for the sake of "diversity"

Would really appreciate if everyone read this. A documentary on YouTube chronicles the lack of response. It is called "the betrayed girls"
 
Muhammad raped a 9 year old girl. Do you think that makes him a bad person? I certainly do. Is it racist to say that? (Notwithstanding the obvious fact that Islam is a faith adhered to by all races, including whites )

What makes you believe the interpretation of Aisha's age as nine, instead of thirteen to fifteen, which seems to have stronger evidence?
 
I'm no fan of religion, obviously, so let's say Muhammad PBUH was a pedophile through and through. That means the Danube will thus foam red as with blood if a Western (not-officially but they're trying) Christian nation lets in a Syrian refugee.

Yeah I still don't see where any gods or prophets fit in to this.
 
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Interesting that at the point I provide clear evidence of girls being badly impacted by Muslim Immigration, spacejunk decides to get triggered and pull the racist card.

No, you provided evidence that some horrible cunts did some horrible things. Your evidence says nothing about immigration.

And yeah, you as a poster really SHOULD censor yourself. You've been warned copious times, you have literally no chances left.
 
There is no such thing as pulling "the racist card".
If you don't like being called out on racist comments, there is a simple solution.

Again; this is totally off-topic - but islamophobia is indeed a form of racism.

Islamophobia Is a Racism

This article originally appeared on NonProphet Status.

Here’s a disturbing trend: With alarming frequency, we are hearing stories of American people of color being murdered or assaulted for looking like Muslims. In a recent case, a Florida resident was shot repeatedly with a pellet gun outside of a Walmart. The victim, Cameron Mohammed, was actually armed with a real gun but chose not to fire. While his actions — or rather, inaction — could motivate an important conversation on forgiveness and ethical gun ownership, this event also characterizes a fundamental characteristic of Islamophobia: it is, largely, a form of racism.

Associate editor at Religion Dispatches Haroon Moghul has written a quite lengthy and thorough account of Islamophobia in the wake of the murder of Sunando Sen, an American Hindu who died a grisly, horrifying death for appearing Muslim. Moghul’s piece is largely a response to critics who see the term “Islamophobia” itself as a tool to silence thoughtful criticism of Islam and it greatly succeeds in this respect. It is absolutely worth your time to work your way through it. However, I don’t believe that Moghul quite goes far enough when discussing the intersection of race and Islamophobia, and his account doesn’t seem consistent with the data provided from these recent violent incidents.

The case of Cameron Mohammed is notable for being perhaps the most explicit example of how race is what moves Islamophobes to hate. Mohammed’s assailant explicitly asked him if he was in fact Muslim or from the Middle East and when he answered negatively (Mohammed was born in the Caribbean and raised in Florida), this did not stop the attack. Nor did it stop the racial slurs which accompanied the violence. The assailant’s remarks to the police after the incident also betray the real motive: “When deputies told him his victim wasn’t Muslim, he told them he didn’t care, that ‘they’re all the same,’ Schoneman told reporters.”

“They,” brown people, are all the same.

What is interesting about the prevalence of Islamophobic crime as of late is that, to some extent, it hasn’t even been directed at Muslims. And when the perpetrators of this sort of crime are confronted with the fact that the brown person they murdered or assaulted didn’t represent the ideology they thought they were combating, they rush to justify their attack. Mohammed’s attacker did this by implying that all brown people have some stake in extremist Islam; Sen’s attacker had a similar justification when authorities told her that Sen was actually a Hindu from India: “I pushed a Muslim off the train tracks because I hate Hindus and Muslims ever since 2001 when they put down the twin towers I’ve been beating them up.”

You don’t actually have to “be” a Muslim in any theological or cultural sense in order to be singled out for assault by this logic. Rather, what matters is how you look. This seems like a slam-dunk case for classifying Islamophobia as a type of racism, but Moghul raises an interesting objection:

I’m not arguing that Islamophobia is racist, or that Islamophobes are racists, because that’s not quite what’s happening. For one thing, Islamophobes embrace ex-Muslims ... and racists wouldn’t (indeed couldn’t) do the same.

This is actually entirely what racists do. This is called tokenism: the practice of only welcoming select members of a marginalized identity, particularly those who have acclimated to the dominant group. Racists occasionally celebrate people of color who have gravitated away from their identity and toward the white majority, just as Islamophobes occasionally celebrate ex-Muslims who have cast aside their supposedly harmful beliefs.

Few people would willingly label themselves as racist (I think they all have OK Cupid profiles though). We all know the bigot who will start dehumanizing stories with the disclaimer, “I’m not racist, but...” Very often, as a tool to prevent themselves from viewing themselves as bigoted, racists will construct a myth that there is a difference between the subset of people of color they hate and people of color as a whole. This manifests itself most visibly as the trope that “there is a difference between a black person and a n*****.”

More depressing is the widely held view that, to quote a phrase I’ve retweeted dozens of times since starting @YesYoureRacist, “there’s a difference between black people and ni**ers.” The sentiment was popularized by Chris Rock’s 1996 HBO special “Bring the Pain“, but is now used primarily by white people who want to justify their use of the N-word.

Tokenism also characterizes other forms of hate similar to racism, like homophobia. Returning to Twitter, we can see how tokenism excuses homophobia thanks to Azealia Banks:

A f****t is not a homosexual male. A f****t is any male who acts like a female. There’s a BIG difference. [censorship mine]

Banks doesn’t hate the gays who have transcended these womanly qualities, so she doesn’t see herself as homophobic. However, employing this offensive language with a diatribe against queer stereotypes is absolutely what it means to be homophobic. Similarly, having a black friend doesn’t excuse one from being racist. Liking some black folks but hating “n*****s” is the definition of tokenism. It is thus strange to point to tokenism within Islamophobia as a characteristic which should exclude it from being classified as a form of racism. So, if anything, the fact that Islamophobes exalt certain ex-Muslims shows their similarities to racists, not their incompatibility with the concept.

There is a caveat that needs explicating in any discussion about Islamophobia (though I’m not confident critics will pay it any mind). There’s nothing wrong with hating evil done in the name of a religion. In fact, this is the binding force of many interfaith organizations such as the Interfaith Youth Core. These coalitions are forged by people whose personal narratives push them to weed out injustice and promote the common good regardless of creed. When we cross the line from hating injustice to generalizing large populations of people as perpetrators or supporters of violence because of how they look, we betray this noble mission.

Islamophobia manifests itself through the surface characteristics of race. We wrongly think we can judge another’s character by the color of their skin, the style of their clothing, or the Middle Eastern sound of their name. This is not a vigilance worth protecting; this is a racism, a societal evil that needs to be opposed.

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What makes you believe the interpretation of Aisha's age as nine, instead of thirteen to fifteen, which seems to have stronger evidence?

You are wrong. The majority of Sunni hadith sources say she was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation eg: when he raped her. Sahih al-bukhari 7:62:64

I remember seeing a Sunni cleric on arab TV saying there is no dispute about her age, and it was perfectly acceptable in Islam. Hence why girls of similar ages are married and raped all the time in Muslims countries and in western countries.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-in-australian-first-child-bride-case/8966746 a recent 14 year old victim in Australia
 
No, you provided evidence that some horrible cunts did some horrible things. Your evidence says nothing about immigration.

And yeah, you as a poster really SHOULD censor yourself. You've been warned copious times, you have literally no chances left.

Let me lay it out very simply. Those girls were raped by Muslim grooming gangs who would not be in the UK if it were not for immigration from their countries.

It is a very clear example of people's lives being negatively impacted by Immigration. You cant highlight the good and dismiss the bad. Sure, many muslim Immigrants contribute to the economy as business owners. Some also tear at the social fabric of society by raping young girls. It all factors into an answer to the question: has muslim Immigration been a good or a bad thing?
 
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