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The Cost of Immigration

The flow towards Europe

LosBlancos said:
First we have Canada:

Immigrants to Canada cost the federal government as much as $23-billion annually and “impose a huge fiscal burden on Canadian taxpayers,” according to a think-tank report released Tuesday that was immediately criticized as telling only part of the story.
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LosBlancos said:
Then for the UK,

Immigrants have cost the taxpayer more than £22 million a day since the mid-1990s, totting up a bill of more than £140 billion, according to a new report.
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Bumping a topic on cost of immigration

with an interactive chart everyone can enjoy!



The flow towards Europe [[url]https://www.lucify.com/the-flow-towards-europe/][/URL]

What is this based on?

The information shown is based on data published by the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR). The visualisation is designed to provide an intuitive grasp of the scale of the problem; routes or travel times are not accurate.
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nuttynutskin said:
I've thought about it for a few days and I think you're right. It's pretty sad when the president doesn't even have any regard for the country's own law. I've said before America pretty much acts as the world's police and EMT. Now I guess we can add homeless shelter and soup kitchen as well at the cost of the country's legal citizens.

Dissatisfied with your own country? Come to America, we'll foot the bill while we can't even take care of our own citizens. That makes total sense.
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Sadly it's like this in most European countries where migrants are invading.

In the UK, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, the various Nordic countries, and Italy migrants are given housing, food, benefits, medical care, and work/technical training/jobs if they want them, and access to special programs while people who are citizens of those countries are starving, homeless, on a long list for medical care, and out of work.
 
Migrants aren't "invading" anywhere.
It's emotive language like that that poisons reasonable debate.

If you want to talk about "invading", let's not ignore america, who actually has actually "invaded" dozens of sovereign nations in the last half century, but does so with mass murder, bombings, funding of terrorists and all manner of brutality
I'm sorry, but nobody in the world feels aby sympathy for the united states' campaigns of death and destruction around the world.
Your government can fund wholesale slaughter of foreign countries, but not healthcare or education?
Don't blame migrants, just demand better from your democratically elected oligarchs.

In the UK, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, the various Nordic countries, and Italy migrants are given housing, food, benefits, medical care, and work/technical training/jobs if they want them, and access to special programs while people who are citizens of those countries are starving, homeless, on a long list for medical care, and out of work.
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Um, those countries provide welfare to all people, not just migrants. You're just parroting far right propganda at this point.
The USA is the only developed nation that doesn't have those kinds of social welfare systems in place for their people. Characterising migration - and people seeking asylum - as "invasion" is patently false.
It is america that is lacking in social welfare provisions, not european welfare states.
Civilised nations don't leave people to die because they can't afford health treatment, migrants or not.
The insularity of these sorts of statements is just astounding, but i guess the american media shields US citizens from the outside world for a reason.
 
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PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Sadly it's like this in most European countries where migrants are invading.

In the UK, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, the various Nordic countries, and Italy migrants are given housing, food, benefits, medical care, and work/technical training/jobs if they want them, and access to special programs while people who are citizens of those countries are starving, homeless, on a long list for medical care, and out of work.
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Here in Germany that is just straight up bullshit. There is no one homeless, starving, or on a long list for medical care without being themselves at fault. I deal with many such people, and have some friends who are social workers. Unemployment in my area is around 5% with tons of the jobs being high quality, unlike many other places.

True, Germany didn't really need poorly trained immigrants. This isn't why they were let in in the first place. There were people fleeing conflict heavy areas who needed a safe haven to start rebuilding their lives. I agree the capacity is not endless, but it is humane to do what you can. Many countries are just straight up racist. There are some monetary costs associated with the immigrants, but nothing which can't easily be digested. I've seen lots of doctored statistics, but have seen very few negative stats from sources conducting legitimate studies.

Anyways, as to useful immigrants...I had a Syrian gastroenterologist come in a few days ago with his wife. She had been here since March, and was already understanding things fairly well. He had been here for two years and speaks quite decent German. He is working on getting accredited so that he can work here as a doctor.

I find it kind of stupid when people pretend to know the situation in multiple countries by reading some sensationalist bullshit. To truly know the situation one needs to be in a place for an extended time. It makes me really question peoples' intentions when they pretend to understand highly complex situations in multiple nations, and pass off their ignorant opinions as some sort of fact.
 
spacejunk said:
Migrants aren't "invading" anywhere.
It's emotive language like that that poisons reasonable debate.

If you want to talk about "invading", let's not ignore america, who actually has actually "invaded" dozens of sovereign nations in the last half century, but does so with mass murder, bombings, funding of terrorists and all manner of brutality
I'm sorry, but nobody in the world feels aby sympathy for the united states' campaigns of death and destruction around the world.
Your government can fund wholesale slaughter of foreign countries, but not healthcare or education?
Don't blame migrants, just demand better from your democratically elected oligarchs.



Um, those countries provide welfare to all people, not just migrants. You're just parroting far right propganda at this point.
The USA is the only developed nation that doesn't have those kinds of social welfare systems in place for their people. Characterising migration - and people seeking asylum - as "invasion" is patently false.
It is america that is lacking in social welfare provisions, not european welfare states.
Civilised nations don't leave people to die because they can't afford health treatment, migrants or not.
The insularity of these sorts of statements is just astounding, but i guess the american media shields US citizens from the outside world for a reason.
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Spacejunk isn't nearly every second Aus an ex South African :)
 
Nope, it depends where you are, but i'd say there are a lot more british expats than anything else.
Where i live now there are very few though...
 
My cousin has just immigrated there about 3 months back and nearly every second person here is moving to Aus - its crazy :)
 
I didn't know that - but australia (for all its faults) is a pretty good place to live.
And we're a nation of immigrants, so despite the usual anti-migrant rhetoric in some corners, i think we are a pretty accomodating nation.
I live in an area with a really high muslim population, right near a mosque, and i love it.
 
I have heard its a lovely place to live and that's probably why all the people from SA want to go there!
I believe the weather is also very similar too
 
Yeah, i believe so.
I had a few neighbours growing up who were from zimbabwe, i guess they came out in the early 80s for various reasons.
It's pretty interesting to chart the different waves of migrants from around the world - each group has made some pretty obvious (positive) impacts on australian society over time, from the greeks and italians in the 40s and 50s, vietnamese people in the 60s and 70s, and a whole array of different migrant groups since then.

Until the 1960s, the Australian government had a "white australia policy". Migrants had to be white.
I hate to imagine what a dull place it must have been back then - migration enriched, and continues to enrich our culture and society.
 
^ Dont forget the yugoslavs from the sixties fleeing from Titos Yugoslavia Croat and Serb.

The South Africans I belive head to Western Australia to Perth and that I have read with more and more going to settle there.
 
yeah, there have been quite a number of waves of refugees and other migrants over the years, and all have contributed to what we understand "australia" to be.
it's like an evolution that is continually happening; no culture is fixed, all are in flux.

The bysteria about refugees and migrants doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
We humans really need to sort this bullshit out, because with climate change, it seems inevitable that we'll be faced with unprecedented numbers of displaced people seeking safe haven across the globe.

I sometimes wonder if some folks (especially governments) pushing anti-refugee rhetoric now aren't fully aware of this, and pre-empting it by adopting this "closed shop" approach to humanitarian intake of asylum seekers.
It does seem rather calculated, to me.

interesting you should mention Perth WA, Mr Merovingian - i grew up there, and in hindsight there were quite a few south african and zimbabwean people there.
 
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I was never over there when I was in Oz like wanted to visit Freemantle, a suburb of Perth and then Broome in the very north. Never got around to it unfortunately. I read about the Afrikaner or say South African migration to Australia in something like Lonely Planet maybe not. Lonely Planet was started by an Australian couple that went backpacking across europe and asia in the seventies. Sometimes I like to know maybe trivial information like this cause it's who I am.

I agree with you spacejunk on the global warming coupled with a closed border agenda and governmental tactic.

I was on the wobblies webpage the other day ago and the avatar of yours is their symbol spacejunk, correct ? Pretty neat.
 
Immigration is costing western society alot, fiscally and culturally. It doesn't take a genius to see where this is heading.

Enoch Powell gave a speech many years ago which was remarkably prescient with regard to immigration. I don't agree with all he said, but the more time goes on the more the basic premise is coming true- mass immigration will only lead to fractured social cohesion.

"Wars.... Terrible wars. Like the Roman, I seem to see the tiber foaming with much blood"- the line that gave rise to the speech being Nick named the "rivers of blood speech"
 
Can you give any numbers, or even some anecdotes, about what immigration is costing Western society? Can you name a war in a Western country caused by immigration, much less foaming rivers of blood-worth wars?
 
Scrofula said:
Can you give any numbers, or even some anecdotes, about what immigration is costing Western society? Can you name a war in a Western country caused by immigration, much less foaming rivers of blood-worth wars?
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Sigh. I'm on my phone, will get some figures in time. We both know I'm right.

There will be a civil war within Europe within the next 10 years. You can quote me on that. There is already significant social unrest.

464 dead and many more injured in Europe since 2015 from Islamic terror. 1400 girls abused in the town of Rotherham alone.
 
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