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The Cost of Immigration

You live in australia.

Do you have any idea how many indigenous australian women were raped, enslaved and murdered by white, christian british colonialists?

Again - you're exploiting women's suffering to further your agenda. It's thoroughly disingenuous.
 
I'd say a good thing by and large. After all, the vast majority are not grooming and raping girls and that seems your main gripe. The majority are rather anonymous and just humans like me and you.
 
spacejunk said:
You live in australia.

Do you have any idea how many indigenous australian women were raped, enslaved and murdered by white, christian british colonialists?

Again - you're exploiting women's suffering to further your agenda. It's thoroughly disingenuous.
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Completely off topic but yes I am aware of it. Why would you think I do not think it was disgusting? Do you have any idea about the conditions women experience in Aboriginal communities today? Do you care about that? Because it's happening right now and not something that happened hundreds of years before I was born.
 
spacejunk said:
You live in australia.

Do you have any idea how many indigenous australian women were raped, enslaved and murdered by white, christian british colonialists?

Again - you're exploiting women's suffering to further your agenda. It's thoroughly disingenuous.
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My agenda is dignity for all people, especially Australians.
 
Somerandomdude said:
Completely off topic but yes I am aware of it. Why would you think I do not think it was disgusting? Do you have any idea about the conditions women experience in Aboriginal communities today? Do you care about that? Because it's happening right now and not something that happened hundreds of years before I was born.
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The injustices of australian colonialism didn't end hundreds of years before you were born.
Indeed - as you point out - they continue today.

So - to borrow a christian phrase - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

If you are going to condemn whole religions for the crimes of a few, it just comes off as religious prejudice.

There is absolutely nothing dignified about prejudice.
 
spacejunk said:
The injustices of australian colonialism didn't end hundreds of years before you were born.
Indeed - as you point out - they continue today.

So - to borrow a christian phrase - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

If you are going to condemn whole religions for the crimes of a few, it just comes off as religious prejudice.

There is absolutely nothing dignified about prejudice.
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Introducing alcohol to Aboriginals is surely because of colonialism and this is the main problem in their communities today so you're right in a way. But the provisions of endless welfare to these communities with no incentive to work, another huge problem, is due to far left policies laid out by Labor.

I'm so sick of laying this out. I condemn Islam because of the teachings in it. THE TEACHINGS. It's not like ISIS have hijacked a peaceful religion.
 
Somerandomdude said:
You are wrong. The majority of Sunni hadith sources say she was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation eg: when he raped her. Sahih al-bukhari 7:62:64

I remember seeing a Sunni cleric on arab TV saying there is no dispute about her age, and it was perfectly acceptable in Islam. Hence why girls of similar ages are married and raped all the time in Muslims countries and in western countries.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-in-australian-first-child-bride-case/8966746 a recent 14 year old victim in Australia
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For anyone who cares to engage
 
^What's that article have to do with immigration? It just seems like you are confirming that you dislike Muslims/Islam.
 
swilow said:
^What's that article have to do with immigration? It just seems like you are confirming that you dislike Muslims/Islam.
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This thread is called "The cost of immigration". The article refers to the specific issue of Muslim child brides married in Islamic ceremonies. This is an issue that would not be present in Australia if it were not for Muslim immigration. Therefore this is one of the costs of immigration.

I dislike the bad ideas within Islam, and the Muslims who follow the bad ideas. Not all Muslims. How many times do I have to say that?
 
^ so what? I don't care what your opinions are about religions. I'd be surprised if anyone else here does either.
This is not the philosophy and spirituality subforum.

Christianity is far from being a "peaceful religion" either, christians do fucked up things all the time - but most people in society just accept other people's spiritual beliefs. "Child brides" have been common in christian cultures as well. It is not a phenomenon unique to islam - far from it.
This article is from the Denver Post in February this year;

Why does the United States still let 12-year-old girls get married?


I actually think acceptance of other people's spiritual beliefs is just a basic part of being a reasonable human being.

I know there are a lot of miserable people making a name for themselves (and a quick buck) peddling toxic fascistic ideology to people online at the moment - guys like paul joseph watson and his ilk - but those people are wrong about a lot of stuff, especially history.
Another thing they're wrong about is the pride they seem to have in being bigots.
It's not cool, it's not edgy - and pushing bigotry into mainstream acceptance, which they are trying so hard to do - is not a good thing.

If you've never known a kind, decent muslim person to make you rethink all the ugly crap you spew about islam, maybe that's something to do with you?
There are over a billion muslims in the world, and that's not going to change any time soon - neither is the fact that there are muslims in australia (as there have been for a very long time).

Regurgitating anti-islam bigotry isn't going to solve a single one of the problems you blame islam for.
If anything, ostracising muslim people in western countries is going to increase radical ideology, and decrease the 'assimilation' you care so much about.

You've made a big point of telling us that you're a christian - maybe you should "do the christian thing" by accepting and forgiving?
I hear christians say things like "god is love". If that's the case, why all the hate?

Religion shouldn't be used to single people out - as a non-believer, i understand this.

Religious and ethic bigotry has been used for millennia as way of consolidating power amongst the powerful elite and ruling classes - whether we are talking about Tsarist Russian pogroms or nazi germany. Divide and conquer.
A lot of racist politicians know this all too well - prejudice, bigotry and racism are a valuable political tool for dividing and scapegoating people.
The leader of one of the far right groups in australia admitted during an interview in a recent book that the political attacks on muslims that he and his cronies constantly engage in isn't really about muslim people or about islam.
It's about having a group - any group - to attack. Pick an unpopular minority and away you go.
Playing on fear and hate sells, politically.
Savvy political operators and cheap demagogues alike understand and exploit this.

The sad thing is that their followers blindly trail behind them, waving the flag for bigotry and division - and it is often them, the followers, who do the most damage.
 
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spacejunk said:
^ so what? I don't care what your opinions are about religions. I'd be surprised if anyone else here does either.
This is not the philosophy and spirituality subforum.

Christianity is far from being a "peaceful religion" either, christians do fucked up things all the time - but most people in society just accept that other people's spiritual beliefs. "Child brides" have been common in christian cultures as well. It is not a phenomenon unique to islam - far from it.
This article is from the Denver Post in February this year;

Why does the United States still let 12-year-old girls get married?


I actually think acceptance of other people's spiritual beliefs is just a basic part of being a reasonable human being.

I know there are a lot of miserable people making a name for themselves (and a quick buck) peddling toxic fascistic ideology to people online at the moment - guys like paul joseph watson and his ilk - but those people are wrong about a lot of stuff, especially history.
Another thing they're wrong about is the pride they seem to have in being bigots.
It's not cool, it's not edgy - and pushing bigotry into mainstream acceptance, which they are trying so hard to do - is not a good thing.

If you've never known a kind, decent muslim person to make you rethink all the ugly crap you spew about islam, maybe that's something to do with you?
There are over a billion muslims in the world, and that's not going to change any time soon - neither is the fact that there are muslims in australia (as there have been for a very long time).

Regurgitating anti-islam bigotry isn't going to solve a single one of the problems you blame islam for.
If anything, ostracising muslim people in western countries is going to increase radical ideology, and decrease the 'assimilation' you care so much about.

You've made a big point of telling us that you're a christian - maybe you should "do the christian thing" by accepting and forgiving?
I hear christians say things like "god is love". If that's the case, why all the hate?

Religion shouldn't be used to single people out - as a non-believer, i understand this.

Religious and ethic bigotry has been used for millennia as way of consolidating power amongst the powerful elite and ruling classes - whether we are talking about Tsarist Russian pogroms or nazi germany. Divide and conquer.
A lot of racist politicians know this all too well - prejudice, bigotry and racism are a valuable political tool for dividing and scapegoating people.
The leader of one of the far right groups in australia admitted during an interview in a recent book that the political attacks on muslims that he and his cronies constantly engage in isn't really about muslim people or about islam.
It's about having a group - any group - to attack. Pick an unpopular minority and away you go.
Playing on fear and hate sells, politically.
Savvy political operators and cheap demagogues alike understand and exploit this.

The sad thing is that their followers blindly trail behind them, waving the flag for bigotry and division - and it is often them, the followers, who do the most damage.
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You are still unable to make the distinction between criticism of Islam and bigotry against Muslims as people. Literally no point arguing with you.
 
And as to the first part of your post, which really made very little sense, if someone does something "fucked up" ie: against the law, then I do not care if it is their religious belief or cultural practice, I want them charged and brought before a court.

Do you agree that Muslims in Australia who marry children and practice FGM should be charged and brought before court?
 
its not racist 2 think brown ppl are inferior its just a fact

WARNED FOR THIS POST: NO RACIST SHIT PLEASE- SWILOW
 
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Satan speaks again.

So, there's a civil war in Syria, plus ISIS advancing. Hundreds of thousands of humans scatter to avoid being killed. Countries in Europe don't want them because they're all assumed to be Muslim. European citizens (and AUS and US) don't like Muslims.

So Syrian refugees are not welcome anywhere, cause they have a prophet who may have taken an underage bride (which would be news to most Americans) many centuries ago, and

they are assumed to have the same religion as some high-profile terrorists, even though not from the same nation.

They all know this because right-wing news parades the Muslim connection to terrorism, when it's simply the religion of the terrorists. IOW, most violent crime in the US can be assumed to have been committed by Christians, but it's rightly not considered relevant to anything.

So yeah, brown people and their strange and evil ways, the threat of them coming to your neighborhood, sells votes and ratings.
 
Somerandomdude said:
You are wrong. The majority of Sunni hadith sources say she was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation eg: when he raped her. Sahih al-bukhari 7:62:64
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And if you are familiar with the hadiths, you should realize that hadiths of "fact", instead of faith, were not strictly tested before being accepted.

The hadith you are referring to was written down centuries after Muhammed's death. If, instead, we examine the evidence critically, we must either accept Aisha's age of six at marriage is wrong, or a bunch of other details are wrong. Plus, in the 6th century, puberty at nine is pretty exceptional.
 
There's a major genocide against Christians and Jews who are living in Muslim countries. It's been this way for centuries in some Islamic countries. Jewish and Christians who are educated, and who are escaping death are welcome in European countries. However, the majority of Muslims who are invading European countries are young men, and are only invading European countries to take away benefits, housing, food, etc. from citizens of those countries.

The majority of Muslims who emigrate to European countries DO NOT respect women or girls, and Linda Sarsour the cockroach (her name literally means this in Arabic), claims to be for women's rights which is laughable since she completely supports both radical Islam, and Sharia law and bringing it to the Western world, and her pussy twat hat wearing followers are just as ignorant and clueless.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...tes-genocide-of-christians-in-the-middle-east




 
My favorite part of these fantasies is about Sharia Law taking over. The horror of eating halal food. By people who won't hesitate to eat a kosher hot dog or a bagel.

Something very close to Sharia Law is practiced in the US, in New York City by the Jewish population. Because all these laws come from the same damn source, and it's in your damn bible. You all pray to the same god of the desert. Christians just choose to ignore all the cult practice.

Anyway, none of what you describe is actually happening, Mr. Centauri.
 
Somerandomdude said:
This thread is called "The cost of immigration". The article refers to the specific issue of Muslim child brides married in Islamic ceremonies. This is an issue that would not be present in Australia if it were not for Muslim immigration. Therefore this is one of the costs of immigration.

I dislike the bad ideas within Islam, and the Muslims who follow the bad ideas. Not all Muslims. How many times do I have to say that?
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The peaceful Muslims or so called Muslims who are 'moderate' do not matter and are completely irrelevant. Islam as a whole is majorly problematic.

 
Scrofula said:
My favorite part of these fantasies is about Sharia Law taking over. The horror of eating halal food. By people who won't hesitate to eat a kosher hot dog or a bagel.

Something very close to Sharia Law is practiced in the US, in New York City by the Jewish population. Because all these laws come from the same damn source, and it's in your damn bible. You all pray to the same god of the desert. Christians just choose to ignore all the cult practice.

Anyway, none of what you describe is actually happening, Mr. Centauri.
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Sharia law is not comparable to Judiasm or people keeping Kosher dietary restrictions at all. Educate yourself, or stay completely ignorant while radical Muslims try to take over the world. It's obvious you have never been to a Muslim country or a country where Islam is law and where everyone in the population is Muslim.

Have you even ever traveled outside of the United States? Canada and Mexico do not count.

 
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