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the bluelight preconception, pregnancy and parenting l337ness thread

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Busty St Clare said:
Come on, you are blaming medical science for your friend being a bitch? I'd blame the fact her parents had trouble conceiving there for were over protective, helicopter parents who raised her to believe she was more special than everyone else.
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yeah, i am :/

These hardly seem to be the ones to be demanding c-sections Kenicke. I'd say it would more due to your poor health system as a whole not simply the increase in rate of c sections. As you said this is for the developed world. Look at the infant death rates for the whole world and you will find the bottom hundred countries are those too poor to have any medical intervention.
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The number of maternal deaths is significantly understated because of a lack of effective data collection in the US A .
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who knows how many actual women & babies are dying, because that's not the kind of thing americans keep track of. Tennessee has a maternal death rate higher than most parts of Africa. what's the deal with that?

White women have a mortality rate of 9.5 per 100,000 pregnancies, the CDC said. For African-American women, that rate is 32.7 deaths per 100,000 pregnancies.
The CDC analysis shows that deaths during pregnancy and childbirth have doubled for all U.S. women in the past 20 years.
In 1987, there were 6.6 deaths for every 100,000 pregnancies. The number of deaths had climbed to 13.3 per 100,000 in 2006, the last year for which figures were available.
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http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-12/...hs-and-complications-pregnancy/2?_s=PM:HEALTH

sure, poor black people don't schedule csections... but white ladies sure do.

The increases — documented in a report published Tuesday — have caused debate and concern for years. When needed, a Caesarean can save the mother and her child from injury or death, but most experts doubt that one in three women need surgery to give birth. Critics say the operation is being performed too often, needlessly exposing women and babies to the risks of major surgery. The ideal rate is not known, but the World Health Organization and health agencies in the United States have suggested 15 percent.

The continuing rise “is not going to be good for anybody,” said Dr. George A. Macones, the chairman of obstetrics and gynecology at Washington University in St. Louis and a spokesman for the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. “What we’re worried about is, the Caesarean section rate is going up, but we’re not improving the health of babies being delivered or of moms.”

Risks to the mother increase with each subsequent Caesarean, because the surgery raises the odds that the uterus will rupture in the next pregnancy, an event that can be life-threatening for both the mother and the baby. Caesareans also increase the risk of dangerous abnormalities in the placenta during later pregnancies, which can cause hemorrhaging and lead to a hysterectomy. Repeated Caesareans can make it risky or even impossible to have a large family.

The new report notes that Caesareans also pose a risk of surgical complications and are more likely than normal births to cause problems that put the mother back in the hospital and the infant in an intensive-care unit. The report states, “In addition to health and safety risks for mothers and newborns, hospital charges for a Caesarean delivery are almost double those for a vaginal delivery, imposing significant costs.”

Fay Menacker, an author of the report and a statistician at the National Center for Health Statistics, which published the report, said, “There’s been an increase for women of all ages and racial and ethnic groups, and all states.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/health/24birth.html

I'm not against c-sections, they save lives in emergencies. but excessive csections, i'm not okay with. epsecially when doctors say:

Nonmedical issues are also involved. Obstetricians, fearful of being sued if there is harm to a baby after a normal labor and delivery, are quicker than they used to be to perform a Caesarean.

“The threshold for doing a Caesarean section is going down, and one of the major factors is professional liability, ending up in court,” Dr. Macones said.

In an article last month in the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology, the obstetricians’ college reported that a poll of 5,644 of its members found that 29 percent said they were performing more Caesareans because they feared lawsuits. Eight percent said they had quit delivering babies, and nearly a third of those said it was because of liability issues.
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that's not a doctor caring about mom & baby, that's a doctor caring about themselves. if people really want the cs rate to go down, stop saying things like "c-sections are easier/safer/etc", cut out the unnecessary inductions, provide real information about VBACs, and stop trying to run up every labouring woman's bill up.

I can say for the two births I was personally involved in I would take the planned c section any day of the week. One was 36 hours labour followed by emergency surgery and a week in ICU , while the second was a c section and the mother and child were released after 2 days, both happy and healthy.
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again, i'm not against csections, and it sounds like it was needed to make sure mom and baby came home happy and healthy.

i don't know what it's going to take people to really look at the way Americans treat moms. black women (like in Tennessee) are still dying and losing their babies in the same ways they were in slave times, but now, white women are dying in ways they weren't 20 years ago. the fact that the government of my country doesn't think keeping track of women who die from maternal issues is worth it should say enough as it is.
 
Busty St Clare said:
Come on, you are blaming medical science for your friend being a bitch? I'd blame the fact her parents had trouble conceiving there for were over protective, helicopter parents who raised her to believe she was more special than everyone else.
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Right on. That is just your uneducated judgment Kenickie and what, based on ONE person? I haven't heard of anything so ridiculous in my life. My husband was born via a C section and also his mother couldn't breast feed because of complications she could not help and surprise surprise, he is a warm hearted genuine awesome person, hence why i married him.

Sorry, but your stance on that is plain retarded. Not cool at all. I also know of some people who are nasty pricks and one thing i did manage to link them to was 'single child syndrome' and how they were brought up, rather than how they were born.

I think it's a shame this thread seems to have taken a bit of a ugly turn. I think the whole C section debate needs to be dropped.
 
Well....on the lighter side: I guess I'm gonna hafta sport the retro look for a few months because I officially can't twist, turn, or contort enough to shave anymore.
 
I envy my fathers generation. There was no pressure to be present at the birth. Seriously what is the point? You just become a punching bag as well as getting in the way of the staff. There is plenty of time ahead of you to show how much of a wonderful and supportive husband and father you are. I say stay at the pub with a pocket full of cigars and shout the bar as soon as you get that phone call.

My dad was at my birth, playing cricket on the other side of the country for my brothers and when my sister was being delivered my mum had to get the nursing staff to call the doctor's house and get him and my father out of the spa where they were drinking champagne. They rushed to the hospital, delivered my sister then back home to celebrate. You got to love small country towns. ;)
 
OK I'M CHANGING THE TOPIC!!!! Lets just agree to disagree on the csect debate =)


I'm wondering if any of you mothers/mothers-to-be ever had any dreams or preminitions about whether you were having a boy or girl. or just about your baby in general!

I had a dream about my daughter when i was pregnant, plus i just had a feeling before that that i had a girl inside me =) I knew from before i was pregnant the 2nd time that i would have a boy next, idk how! I also knew RIGHT away that i was pregnant the 2nd time. I knew even before the test came out positive (because it takes 5-7 days) I took a test one day and it was negative, took one again the next day-negative again. I was like I KNOW I'm pregnant damnit! I wasn't even sick or anything, and i wasn't really getting my period regularly since it had only been 6 months since my daughter was born. but i took it again the 3rd day and sure as shit there was the faintest line there. took it again the next day and there it was bam full on positive! lol
 
ahahah Amor, i've been reading that site for the last couple of days! :D I love the green-poo St Patrick's Day posts (and the side-splittingly funny commentary that accompanies the posts) lol. As an aside, a new mum friend of mine linked to it on her facebook page hehe =D
 
^ That's a cool mom right there. :)

I've been reading that tumblr for quite a while now. The one that made me cringe the most was the one where the kid spilled shit all over the store floor and the mom bitches about someone giving her a look after she walks away from it. I'm pretty sure her friends chimed in and told her she should have reacted violently. Ugh! I'm going to go find it, lol.
 
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Oh, I remembered this differently. Her friends actually dissed her, lol.
 
Mothers always clean up their kids' mess on my exam room floor UNLESS they don't see it.
I appreciate and expect it, tbh.
Clean up after your child or if they are old enough ask them to do it themselves :)
 
LoveAlways: I had a dream a few weeks ago that I was carrying a girl. No idea yet if it's the case yet though, and won't know until my 20 week scan. Either way i'm not fussed, but my partner has already bought the baby a Hornby Flying Scotsman train set as he's convinced the baby is a boy. =D

I went pram shopping today just to see what models I like. They're all so bloody wide and overpriced. Has anyone done any pram shopping lately? I'm looking for a 4 wheeler that is suitable from birth with a capsule but can be converted into a stroller later on. It also needs to be lightweight, easy to put into the car and ok for public transport. I'm not asking for much am I? =D
 
I have looked on eBay and there is lots of prams as well as other baby stuff on there, just haven't quite found what i'm looking for.

The cost is adding up really quickly, combining that with moving interstate in July and it's scary. Thankfully our family and friends are helping us source baby things down there, otherwise it would be too stressful leading up to the last few weeks. But yeah eBay Gumtree and the trading post are great for 2nd hand baby items which are quite often near new. :)
 
AmorRoark said:
I'm definitely looking forward to being a mommy and none of you have said anything that could even be considered to be put up on it but I *gotta* say I love this website:

http://stfuparents.tumblr.com/

So, with love, I post it... maybe to lighten up the mood? :)
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Definite mood-lightener! I love it. I wanna post it on my Facebook...

Then again there are lots of girls on my list who post the most inane shit about their children, like: "So and so just had their first milkshake! Awww."

THAT'S FABULOUS. I DON'T EFFING CARE.

The one where a girl was leaving condolences for another who had lost a brother only to end her comment with, "P.S.: I'm having a baby!" was really awful too. "Mommyjacking" is definitely a problem. I try to watch myself :)
 
drugfukkdrockstar said:
^Maybe try ebay? Might be cheaper...

Im so concerned about when we have kids and the prices of stuff.
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The best thing to do is find friends who have already had children and borrow as well as hit up Goodwill and stores like that. I mean really, what's the point in purchasing tons of new stuff if the baby's gonna grow out of it within a few weeks?? You can also borrow other things too, or find it on the cheap on the internet at least =) There are plenty of ways around dropping tons of money on baby stuff.

I just spoke to several women I know who are all excited about loaning me their stuff (including maternity clothes!) when things start rolling. I definitely wanna buy some of my own stuff (especially furniture) but at the same time I wanna try to keep things like baby clothes to a minimum (if I can).

Anyway, this made me lol.

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God, I hope I haven't done that. I know I've mentioned it on Facebook but I don't think I've jacked anyone's statuses. I'm gonna be wary of it now though ;)
 
Miss Peks said:
I have looked on eBay and there is lots of prams as well as other baby stuff on there, just haven't quite found what i'm looking for.

The cost is adding up really quickly, combining that with moving interstate in July and it's scary. Thankfully our family and friends are helping us source baby things down there, otherwise it would be too stressful leading up to the last few weeks. But yeah eBay Gumtree and the trading post are great for 2nd hand baby items which are quite often near new. :)
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Friends who have just had a baby have told me about the crazy prices of new baby things - $1000 for a new pram, for instance!

My husband is the youngest of 8 kids; we have nieces/nephews ranging in age from 10 months to 18 (there are 21 of them!) and we have already been inundated with offers of equipment, clothes, and everything in between. We're only in the process of trying right now, but as both my husband and I are major planners, knowing that we'll have kind of support is a huge weight off our shoulders.
 
Does anyone here feel at all funny about having their kids wearing second hand clothes?

When it comes to clothes, i feel i want to dress my kids up in what i choose (until they are of an age where they choose for themselves that is) but my mum keeps at me about the fact that when i have a baby one day, there are plenty left over clothes from my sister.

Second hand prams etc yeah, bring it on i say ... but second hand clothes im not so keen on. I feel the clothes a person wears is an expression of who they are, and i know it doesn't matter for a baby, but as it's mother... who is a rather alternative person, i think id like to dress my bubba up in something that ill be proud to see it in. Not hand me downs from my sister that someone i don't even know bought for her kid.

The hubby and i work full time each and earn a good wage, and with all the awesome internet stores around i reckon buying my own for my baby is a goer.
 
Yeah I was a bit funny about it initially. My sister in law has offered me baby clothes and I know a lot of them haven't been worn, but some of the girls stuff is just way too pink for my liking. The thing is that they really do grow out of the stuff so quickly, so some will be new and others near new.

It's different when they're a bit older though.
 
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