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Where did you get actually get that comparison like 2mg of phenazepam is equivalent to 1mg of alprazolam/clonazepam? You mean by experiences or some table?
I haven't touched it in a while but I'm pretty damn sure they don't sale 2,5mg pills in Ukraine (source) because it's weak. Some pieces translated from there. Possesses anxiolytic, anticolvulsant, and hypnotic action. If doses like 0.5-1mg are used for sleep I'm not going to say alprazolam is twice as potent as it is. Higher doses are for various states of neurosis, psychopathic, and psychopathic-like ones as well as epilepsy and alcoholism (the highest daily dose is 10mg).
Now with all respect to Russian and post-soviet republic's health care, knowing how bad it is, how you've got nothing when you don't pay, I'm taking a leaflet of clonazepam out of my packet, a new one with the name of the medicine in the Braille system, and I'm reading "the maximum maintenance dose daily should not exceed 20mg (...)". I understand some drugs may be "cure for all" still in Russia or countries that were Soviet Republics since World War I and earlier they were simply occupied for centuries. Don't forget Ukraine is the heritor of Kievan Rus - the very first one organized in many ways "country" (a wide meaning here as there were actually little state system at that time and many provinces were just uncontrolled and things like borders didn't exist there). Not that I'm a Rusophobe, I've got many friends from Ukraine and Russia. It's just I'm really pissed off Russia has taken the name after Kievan Rus while it didn't even exist at the time Kievan Rus existed and when some first Russian country appeared on maps it was called Grand Duchy of Moscow, no reminiscence of some "rus-" stem. It's not against Russia, it's for Ukraine and Ukrainians to start seeing themselves as Ukrainians and knowing they do have a country and it's not artificial like many say.
I've been on lorazepam for a very long time, my benzodiazepine of choice at that time, lifted up my mood, hell of a anxiolytic, and I never felt sleepy on it (maybe that was already part of tolerance). When things got very hot, to say the least, I was able to eat almost 2 packs a day (each pack contains 25 tablets 2.5mg strength and I know from my experience it's not twice weaker than clonazepam, it's hell of a drug to get off, one of the most difficult) because lorazepam started to work shorter and shorter. Then I jumped on phenazepam. Firstly, I could take one dose a day in the morning and I was fine (although I know the dose should be spared during the day like 3 doses a day instead of 1). It was a high dose at that time, I admit. But then I had to leave for like 2 weeks where I could get no phenazepam because I was away from the eastern border (actually I could get some Russian phenazepam anyway because I wasn't too far away from Kaliningrad oblast). I had my lorazepam with me but imagine how it worked, I abused it terribly. Gdańsk is a city with great nightlife (and drug industry too, 3$ for one shot of Polish heroin that is 10cm3 of it, will set up any naive-person but I bet before one would get his heroin in a syringe he/she would have been battered and stolen from by junkies - central train station underground, there you can buy that gross stuff and there you can be fucked up nicely) and me fucking with lorazepam. I got myself on clonazepam, I had a lot of friends where I was so it was no problem to buy some clonazepam. The same thing I took the same dose on milligram basis as phenazepam's and I was just fine. When I got back to my city, I was quickly prescribed clonazepam 2mg tablets for long-term disease meaning I don't pay anything every 2 months when I get 6 packs of 30 tablets. At first it was different, I was prescribed only for a month but I quickly went down to as low as 6mg daily (I have to admit that I often take more recently but that's how my lifestyle is, fucking stressful, anyway I manage to go for a script before 2 months pass and the psychiatrist isn't even suspicious). There's another thing about this whole mess that doesn't even belong here, I know, but clonazepam is 100% refunded only for epileptic people. And I'm a fucking junkie that stays on free clonazepam, maybe to my last days. Ripping off the country just as those bastards selling it on streets for ridiculous prices.Sorry, I will move this part somewhere.
To the point, phenazepam is as much useful as clonazepam and IME it's as strong. One surely has less volume needed to cause the same effect but does that matter? Alprazolam is just slightly more potent than clonazepam (one hundredths of umol difference), yet it is praised I don't know what for as it's overrated in benzodiazepine class as oxycodone is in opioid class. And what about flunitrazepam? Weaker than both but still kicks ass right? I'm about to find out shortly.
I might be sometimes less worrisome that I don't have enough clonazepam. After getting a 1,4-benzodiazepine ring with phenyl group on position 5 I don't think it will be much trouble putting bromine on position 7 and chlorine on orto position, leaving nitrogen not methylated and voilà, we've got phenazepam. Even though I'm more interested in nimetazepam and infamously famous flunitrazepam, its got a metabolite that even longer living than clonazepam or phenazepam, should be good for people like me who don't feel anything from this other than safety that I won't go panic or get convulsions.
I think you're wrong.
I haven't touched it in a while but I'm pretty damn sure they don't sale 2,5mg pills in Ukraine (source) because it's weak. Some pieces translated from there. Possesses anxiolytic, anticolvulsant, and hypnotic action. If doses like 0.5-1mg are used for sleep I'm not going to say alprazolam is twice as potent as it is. Higher doses are for various states of neurosis, psychopathic, and psychopathic-like ones as well as epilepsy and alcoholism (the highest daily dose is 10mg).
Now with all respect to Russian and post-soviet republic's health care, knowing how bad it is, how you've got nothing when you don't pay, I'm taking a leaflet of clonazepam out of my packet, a new one with the name of the medicine in the Braille system, and I'm reading "the maximum maintenance dose daily should not exceed 20mg (...)". I understand some drugs may be "cure for all" still in Russia or countries that were Soviet Republics since World War I and earlier they were simply occupied for centuries. Don't forget Ukraine is the heritor of Kievan Rus - the very first one organized in many ways "country" (a wide meaning here as there were actually little state system at that time and many provinces were just uncontrolled and things like borders didn't exist there). Not that I'm a Rusophobe, I've got many friends from Ukraine and Russia. It's just I'm really pissed off Russia has taken the name after Kievan Rus while it didn't even exist at the time Kievan Rus existed and when some first Russian country appeared on maps it was called Grand Duchy of Moscow, no reminiscence of some "rus-" stem. It's not against Russia, it's for Ukraine and Ukrainians to start seeing themselves as Ukrainians and knowing they do have a country and it's not artificial like many say.
I've been on lorazepam for a very long time, my benzodiazepine of choice at that time, lifted up my mood, hell of a anxiolytic, and I never felt sleepy on it (maybe that was already part of tolerance). When things got very hot, to say the least, I was able to eat almost 2 packs a day (each pack contains 25 tablets 2.5mg strength and I know from my experience it's not twice weaker than clonazepam, it's hell of a drug to get off, one of the most difficult) because lorazepam started to work shorter and shorter. Then I jumped on phenazepam. Firstly, I could take one dose a day in the morning and I was fine (although I know the dose should be spared during the day like 3 doses a day instead of 1). It was a high dose at that time, I admit. But then I had to leave for like 2 weeks where I could get no phenazepam because I was away from the eastern border (actually I could get some Russian phenazepam anyway because I wasn't too far away from Kaliningrad oblast). I had my lorazepam with me but imagine how it worked, I abused it terribly. Gdańsk is a city with great nightlife (and drug industry too, 3$ for one shot of Polish heroin that is 10cm3 of it, will set up any naive-person but I bet before one would get his heroin in a syringe he/she would have been battered and stolen from by junkies - central train station underground, there you can buy that gross stuff and there you can be fucked up nicely) and me fucking with lorazepam. I got myself on clonazepam, I had a lot of friends where I was so it was no problem to buy some clonazepam. The same thing I took the same dose on milligram basis as phenazepam's and I was just fine. When I got back to my city, I was quickly prescribed clonazepam 2mg tablets for long-term disease meaning I don't pay anything every 2 months when I get 6 packs of 30 tablets. At first it was different, I was prescribed only for a month but I quickly went down to as low as 6mg daily (I have to admit that I often take more recently but that's how my lifestyle is, fucking stressful, anyway I manage to go for a script before 2 months pass and the psychiatrist isn't even suspicious). There's another thing about this whole mess that doesn't even belong here, I know, but clonazepam is 100% refunded only for epileptic people. And I'm a fucking junkie that stays on free clonazepam, maybe to my last days. Ripping off the country just as those bastards selling it on streets for ridiculous prices.Sorry, I will move this part somewhere.
To the point, phenazepam is as much useful as clonazepam and IME it's as strong. One surely has less volume needed to cause the same effect but does that matter? Alprazolam is just slightly more potent than clonazepam (one hundredths of umol difference), yet it is praised I don't know what for as it's overrated in benzodiazepine class as oxycodone is in opioid class. And what about flunitrazepam? Weaker than both but still kicks ass right? I'm about to find out shortly.
I might be sometimes less worrisome that I don't have enough clonazepam. After getting a 1,4-benzodiazepine ring with phenyl group on position 5 I don't think it will be much trouble putting bromine on position 7 and chlorine on orto position, leaving nitrogen not methylated and voilà, we've got phenazepam. Even though I'm more interested in nimetazepam and infamously famous flunitrazepam, its got a metabolite that even longer living than clonazepam or phenazepam, should be good for people like me who don't feel anything from this other than safety that I won't go panic or get convulsions.
I think you're wrong.
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