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The Big & Dandy Worst Psychedelics thread

killo said:
I fucking hate AMT, does it come on blotters?

I think I took it, got horrible vasco-contstriction. Though my body was being harmed by the drug's effects, my pores were all tightened, my muscles tightened.

The visuals were so minor and stuff would only "shift" when I started directly at it.
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Wasn't AMT then. And no, it doesn't come on blotters. AMT is an awesome euphoric substance that I feel lucky to have had a chance to try before it became scheduled.
 
Aeon Psyche said:
No, your normal^^ The others who experience bad comedowns from mdxx are doing something wrong.
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Agreed.. kinda. I too don't really get bad come downs but when i was taking MDMA there was nothing i was doing right :/ High frequency + high doses. But then I've seen people do it less frequent and normal doses and crash hard.
 
Aeon Psyche said:
No, I was not sarcastic. When mdma is properly used you will barely have a comedown. That's my opinion.
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In people who have a predisposition to depression, MDMA/MDA can & does cause depression (sometimes quite severe) and in terms of chronology seems to go hand in hand with the levels of the metabolite alphamethyldopamine (well at least the predicted time line for the metabolites).

Believe me, I've tried several different methods to deal with it and all with very limited effects
 
Aeon Psyche said:
No, I was not sarcastic. When mdma is properly used you will barely have a comedown. That's my opinion.
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Your opinion is respected as long as it isn't presented as fact.

I for one have "properly" used MDx compounds (no more than 2 times a year, 120mg-ish doses for MDMA and equivalent for MDA, 4-FA and Methylone). All these substances cause immense depression in me and others I know who have used them responsibly. MDA was the worse, but the others were bad enough to warrant me not wanting to use them again (I actually gave away most of my 4-FA and Methylone to friends).
 
I guess since everyone's brain chemistry is different the use of MDxx will effect everyone differently, usually I feel really good the next day and seem to have somewhat of an afterglow
 
I'm with Jamshyd. MDMA can cause permanent, irreversible brain damage(neurotoxicity), too. At best you have to deal with the depression, and the I feel-like-I've-been-run-over-by-a-truck the next day feeling. Anyone who tries to tell me that it's all a variance in brain chemistry, I just want to smack in the face. Sorry. My MDMA days are behind me, personally, having used it around 50 times. I definitely felt brain frazzled by it. Eventually, I think I did recover, but it scared the shit out of me when it started really affecting my memory. Just a caveat...

specialr
 
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i was gonna respond earlier, but yeah. basically, i wasn't necessarily even talking about the comedown, i was talking about mounting & PERMENANT (as opposed to temporary) tolerance, neurotoxicity, addictive potential...

these are not qualities i look for in a psychedelic.
 
MDMA isn't really psychedelic, anyways. Hallucinogenic, sure, but not psychedelic. True psychedelics make you realize the God within, and have to do with God. Think LSD, Psilocybin, DMT, Mescaline, et al.

specialr
 
specialrelativity said:
MDMA isn't really psychedelic, anyways. Hallucinogenic, sure, but not psychedelic. True psychedelics make you realize the God within, and have to do with God. Think LSD, Psilocybin, DMT, Mescaline, et al.
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No it is psychedelic, meaning "miind manifesting", it is not hallucinogenic...it may cause slight visuals but should never be referred to as a hallucinogen as that term is waaaaaaaay out dated... the only true hallucinogens to me are deleriants ie Datura
 
^ I've found MDMA (& MDA) to be more 'psychedelics of the emotions' as opposed to #LSD etc which are cognative psychedelics. Some have a foot in each camp, like 2C-B, but they're all psychedeics if you take the literal meaning of the word
 
People have different brain chemistry and that is highly variable and dependent on a host of factors as well as different structure. I think we can only make generalizations in this thread and I thought that was kinda implicit, but people seem to take it the wrong way. How does one use MDMA properly? WTF?!?! I've had pills known to be MDMA treat me terribly. It has little to do with my thoughts as I've stregthened my mind against depressive/negativistic ideology. Your emotions are physical they just are just expressed in an intangible way. I mean what is a thought anyways? It's another discussion, but seriously now.

What an arrogant statement. Not taking MDMA properly? Think boy.

And I'd contend that psychedelic means something more like "soul manifesting". The thoughts that one has on psychedelics are not particularly extraordinary; one can relate more strongly to the emotions at the time and because of that strong emotional connection one can break through the veil of tradition, training, and patterning that constitutes ones mind. Certainly sometimes the intensity of abstraction promoted by manic thinking can bring about truly new ideas, but it's not so much about the ideas as how you relate to them emotionally.

Peace,
PL
 
For the record, I am in the camp that doesn't consder MDMA psychedelic. Same goes to Methylone and 4-FA. To me, they are just special stimulants.

MDA and AMT are psychedelics, except the latter is actually one of the best things I've ever put in my body.
 
Ahah! But psyche doesn't mean mind currently and it doesn't mean mind in the original usage of the word. Considering that "psychedelic" also comes from people who were intimately associated with LSD and mescaline in their most benevolent early uses in Western society I think it is appropriate to use the term correctly <-was trying to say this more efficiently before. I also don't think of MDMA as a psychedelic. I think of psychedelics as "mind adventure catalysts". You're literally strengthening part of the brain's response to stimuli and anything new is adventurous. You're a different organism for those minutes, hours, or days while you're under the influence of a psychedelic.

Surely 5-meo-amt is considered a psychedelic but it doesn't bring one closer to "God"/source. I'm not a spiritual person at all so relating psychedelics to magical powers doesn't help define the word at all. At best it is a subtle amalgamation of effects which allows for an outlook on the word that is in some way changed; most often times to be seemingly more objective. That single quality seems to be the only link tying many psychedelics together at least. Throw a little visual disturbance in there and you have what most people seem to consider a psychedelic substance.
 
MDMA IS psychedelic, emotions are of the mind>so it's just psychedelic in a different way. For some people MDMA can bring amazing positive mental changes that can be life changing sometimes, not negative like most narcotics usually bring(coke/H/downers). For me MDMA makes be happier for a whole week after I use it and I gradually subside to baseline and then I feel normal.

Anyway in order of worst to least worst>that i've tried...
Amanita, benadryl, amantadine, tfmpp+bzp, dipt/5meodipt, amt/5meoamt, dpt, 2ci
 
Unfortunately, I'm quite inexperienced in terms of psychedelics, having only tried ketamin, psilocybin, salvia and cannabis. Out of those, though, I would have to say that cannabis has been the worst that I've tried. I end up not hallucinating, having up and down mood for the following weeks and feeling like I'm genuinely ashamed as a human being (funnily enough I've never felt paranoid when smoking weed). This contrasted heavily with my use of salvia (experiencing the unexpressible) and mushrooms (one of the best nights I think).

Having said that I wouldn't consider my use of cannabis in a broadly negative context, merely that out of the other hallucinogens I've tried, it's been the one with the most drawbacks from a purely logical point of view.

Unfortunately I can't much comment on ketamin, since I only did it at a festival and since I was already drunk as a sailor and had just been smoking cannabis, I suppose it affected me more than you're average club user. I don't remember a thing.

Play safe.
 
specialrelativity said:
I'm with Jamshyd. MDMA can cause permanent, irreversible brain damage(neurotoxicity), too. At best you have to deal with the depression, and the I feel-like-I've-been-run-over-by-a-truck the next day feeling. Anyone who tries to tell me that it's all a variance in brain chemistry, I just want to smack in the face. Sorry. My MDMA days are behind me, personally, having used it around 50 times. I definitely felt brain frazzled by it. Eventually, I think I did recover, but it scared the shit out of me when it started really affecting my memory. Just a caveat...

specialr
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Yeah, I was going to say something similar. I have used MDMA less than 50 times, a lot less actually, and after the first few times, I felt great afterwards. Then each time it got worse, even after taking a year or more break between and making sure to use it responsibly. After the last time I used it it sent me into a terrifying spiral of nearly suicidal depression and anxiety for about a month. And then I still felt unbalanced for months afterwards, but on the mend. That was 15 months ago now. I feel fine but it was sort of just like the damage slowly became unnoticeable rather than ever disappearing. I will certainly never take MDMA again and the whole experience made me very wary indeed of its safety for even a single use. It is my belief that MDMA has the potential to cause a lot more harm than most other drugs. So for what it's worth, there's my opinion. Be careful.

But regardless I think I'd have to go with 5-MeO-AMT of the ones I've tried, because at least MDMA has had a positive effect on me in the past.
 
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