The Big & Dandy Volumetric Liquid Measurement thread

[misterh]

Nope. 2c-i is going to have the same solubility in each ml of water thanks to the properties of water. I would stir the solution up pretty well after dissolving it and make sure that it is evenly distributed and that you have dissolved all of the powder... that's the only real way one ml would have more is if one wasn't completely saturated and you got a speck of powder in with the ml....

so just fully dissolve it and stir/shake it up a little bit... and you are fine.

Cheers! :D

So it is ok to do with wodka in stead of water?

 

[Shambles]

I do believe so. Or a mixture of both, perhaps. The alcohol is to help prevent bacteria growth so is probably a good idea for longish-term storage. Don't manage to store much long-term though so never been an issue for me but either or both is fine. If it's straight vodka you may want to dilute it a bit if you plug any though

 

[isotopic_parody]

Yes, using vodka will still be just fine. Your 2c-i will be spread evenly amongst the solution.

 

[misterh]

Ok!! Thanks very much.. think I have enough info! going to take 4 ml of 5mg/ml solution tomorrow!! I have some experience with 2-cc. I think it's fun, but it leaves you totally clearheaded, even after 40 mg insufflated. Don't like that much.
hope 2-ci will do more

 

[FlippingTop]

Hey, just wondering if someone could tell me what diazepam powder would dissolve in, and also how much would dissolve per ml?

Thanks

 

[solistus]

2C* compounds tend to be quite stable in alcohol or water, even at room temperature and for long periods, correct? Is there any particular reason to use one type of alcohol over another aside from taste and alcohol content by volume? It seems like vodka would make an ideal solvent for 2C*s - enough alcohol content to gain some of the benefits of alcohol's absorption and disinfectant properties, but much more drinkable than everclear. Would 2C-I in vodka, stored in an airtight container at room temperature, degrade at any significant rate?

 

[pharmakos]

i posted this in the 2c-i thread, but thought it would go well here too:



this is all assuming that you're going to dissolve your chemical into liquid.

supplies needed:

glass or similar container
something to stir with. glass is better
an oral syringe. you can get these from any pharmacy
1 fifth (750ml) of vodka. i usually use burnett's, as it seems to be the purest cheap vodka
a funnel
a sharpie

step one: cut open the baggie with a pair of scissors, and dump the powder into your glass. save the baggie, we'll take care of the leftover powder in there in a second.
step two: slowly pour vodka into the glass while stirring. you don't need to pour all the vodka into there, just enough to get the powder to dissolve.
step three: continue stirring until the powder is completely dissolved. if powder won't dissolve completely, you can dip the glass into warm water in a pan on the stove to help it dissolve. you probably won't have to though.
step four: draw a bit of vodka (~5ml) into your oral syringe. carefully squirt this into the baggie, the carefully pour the vodka back out into your glass. repeat three or four times.
step five: once your powder is totally dissolved, use the funnel to pour it back into the vodka bottle. seal up the bottle and turn it upside down and right side up several times to get it all mixed up evenly. use a sharpie to label the bottle with the name of the chemical, the poison symbol, and the phrase "not for human consumption"

bam, you're all set!

 

[Solipsis]

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Don't forget to actually weigh the chemical first if you didnt get it from a person you know personally, trust and who has a scale and used it.

The fact that you're using liquid measurement does not mean that you can assume a stranger has correctly weighed it.

And don't just use 750 ml for any amount of powder, make some sense with 1 ml of liquid for every mg of powder for instance - there is nothing easier to remember.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah, an entire 750mL of alcohol is probably overkill unless you've got a gram or something. I generally use 1mL/mg. You can buy an oral syringe with fifth or tenth of a mL markings at many drugstores, which can accurately measure out in mL or sub-mL volumes.

 

[MrYuck]

First of all, sorry for posting about methylone in PD, I'm new, and I couldn't find a liquid measurement thread anywhere else. But I have a question about using liquid measure to make up some doses for methylone to be used later.

I do have access to a .001g scale, but it's not mine. I'd like to measure my doses out at once, so that I can store and take them at my leisure. Besides the scale, I have access to 100% pure anhydrous alcohol

Now, here are my questions: Would methylone deteriorate in an alcohol solution? Could it be stored for say, 2 monthes if I put it in a freezer (I realize the alcohol itself wont freeze)? Also, given that I don't fancy ingesting large quantities of pure EtOH, how much methylone could I pack into 1 ml? I have handy 1 ml plastic containers, is getting 50-100 mg into 1 ml EtOH simply absurd?

I could also make a double distilled water/ethanol solution, if that would work better, what would the optimal ratio be?

Also, would it just be altogether easier for me to make up 100 mg bombs and store them in the freezer?

Thanks for your help!

 

[indd]

Hi!
How long can be 4-aco-dmt water solution stable at room temperature?

 

[Xorkoth]

Now, here are my questions: Would methylone deteriorate in an alcohol solution? Could it be stored for say, 2 monthes if I put it in a freezer (I realize the alcohol itself wont freeze)? Also, given that I don't fancy ingesting large quantities of pure EtOH, how much methylone could I pack into 1 ml? I have handy 1 ml plastic containers, is getting 50-100 mg into 1 ml EtOH simply absurd?

Methylone is pretty stable and will not deteriorate in a pure alcohol or alcohol and water solution, or just water solution (distilled as you pointed out of course). Still it's best to store it in a cool or cold, dark place in an airtight vial or jar or other container.

I'm not sure how soluble methylone is, but I do know that when preparing for rectal administration I have fit around 200mg into 2 or 3 mL of water, if I recall (it's been a while). It seems very soluble, but there is no point in doing this for your purposes.

I could also make a double distilled water/ethanol solution, if that would work better, what would the optimal ratio be?

Well I usually use about 20-25% alcohol. I use Everclear which is basically pure... 95% anyway. I use about 25% Everclear and 75% distilled water. The only reason though is to save alcohol which is obviously more expensive, and because I hate the effects of alcohol so when I take my doses I don't want to feel any of it from the solution. But adding water or leaving it as 100% alcohol is not going to affect its lifetime, as far as I am aware.

Also, would it just be altogether easier for me to make up 100 mg bombs and store them in the freezer?

I'd say for your purposes that would be the best. Chemicals are always the most stable stored dry, and it's easier than trying to make a solution. If you ever obtain more potent chemicals like the 2C-Xs or DOXs, making a good solution for long-term storage is much more of a consideration.

Hi!
How long can be 4-aco-dmt water solution stable at room temperature?

Not long. tryptamines in general, and especially 4-AcO-DMT, do not last long in liquid. It's really best to store 4-AcO-DMT as dry powder because it will last a long time that way (although even dry, it will start getting broken down after a few months and be significantly affected by a year). 4-AcO-DMT and other tryptamines are easily broken down by heat and light and air, and will degrade if not stored properly. And as I said, putting it in liquid, even if you store it in a cold, dark, airtight place, will break it down the most quickly.

 

[Kurdit]

So far I haven't seen any info on measuring for chemicals that require sub milligram dosage. 25C-NBOMe comes to mind. dose is reported to be 500mcg. How would that work out in liquid measurement if one started with a 5mg solid. I apologize if this question has already been asked/answered.

 

[PepperSocks]

Pretty simple; first off 5mg is a pretty small mass; if you're absolutely sure it's 5mg fine but if you weighed it on an eBay scale I'd say use at least 10mg.

From there make a 1mg/mL solution in a cap-able tube or vial (syringes make good, accurate pippettes). Since every mL (or cc) contains 1mg of material and you want 500mcg; draw 0.5cc up for your dose.

 

[Kurdit]

Pretty simple; first off 5mg is a pretty small mass; if you're absolutely sure it's 5mg fine but if you weighed it on an eBay scale I'd say use at least 10mg.

From there make a 1mg/mL solution in a cap-able tube or vial (syringes make good, accurate pippettes). Since every mL (or cc) contains 1mg of material and you want 500mcg; draw 0.5cc up for your dose.

So if I made a 20ml to 10mg solution 1mL=500mcg? I'm trying not to fry my brains here

 

[PepperSocks]

So if I made a 20ml to 10mg solution 1mL=500mcg?

Not sure what you mean by that. If you have a known 5mg aliquot and put it in 10mL of water; you will have 1mL = 500ug. ug = microgram.

Time to break open that grade school math book.

Oh I see it now. Yes, 10mg in 20mL will give you 500ug/mL. Use vodka instead of water; water will harbor bacteria and potentially breakdown your chemical along with being a health hazard if stored too long. Just don't plug vodka.

 

[Kurdit]

Not sure what you mean by that. If you have a known 5mg aliquot and put it in 10mL of water; you will have 1mL = 500ug. ug = microgram.

Time to break open that grade school math book.

Oh I see it now. Yes, 10mg in 20mL will give you 500ug/mL. Use vodka instead of water; water will harbor bacteria and potentially breakdown your chemical along with being a health hazard if stored too long. Just don't plug vodka.

Grade school was never my strong suit. %)

 

[aegleeye]

hey does plugging 2ce reduce the whole crappy body load and nausea ?

 

[Apollo Matta]

I am thinking of ordering some 2ce,
i am going to buy one of those cheap ebay scales for 16 dollars,
supposedly accurate to 0.001.
with it i will weigh 50 mg of 2ce.

from what i understand, if i put 50mg of 2ce in 50 ml of water, the 1ml would be 1mg.

what mixture should i use, water, alcohol, distilled water.
what is best for long term storage at room temperature.

50mg will be 3 or so trips, so it wont need to be stored for very long,
since im asking, what kind of a tolerance does 2ce have,
is it cross tolerant with mushrooms, how long should i wait between trips.


my main question though is can i just use water for short term storage,
or should i use distilled water and alcohol ect.

 

[sk4nx]

Does the 1mg/ml ratio still stand with DOx substances and can I use water when making a solution?