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The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

Which synthetic cannabinoid do you like or prefer?

  • JWH-018

    Votes: 89 50.0%
  • JWH-073

    Votes: 30 16.9%
  • JWH-133

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • JWH-200

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • JWH-250

    Votes: 28 15.7%
  • CP-47,497

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • CP-55,940

    Votes: 8 4.5%
  • HU-210

    Votes: 5 2.8%
  • HU-211

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • WIN 55,212-2

    Votes: 7 3.9%
  • AM-2201

    Votes: 5 2.8%

  • Total voters
    178
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Jwh-081

And yeah, I don't mean -018. I don't know if that's the right place for this thread, mods, please move if necessary.

So, anybody have experience with this? Any experiences, recommended dosage, storage, etc.?

Any information at all would be helpful, I can't seem to find any details about it...

Thanks in advance.
 
I Think I've had this one...Just smoke it..before it loses it's potency...on some weed or tabacco....Dosage depends on how fresh your JWH-081 is....
 
Everybody tread with caution with these new aminoalkylindole cannabinoids. There's talk in ADD about the possibility that they metabolize to epoxides which could be a risk-factor for carcinogenesis. In other words, they could potentially cause cancer. Please tread with serious caution; just because THC is very safe doesn't mean that these compounds necessarily are. These compounds are not structurally related to THC and other traditional cannabinoids, they simply activate the same receptors; so your body metabolizes them in a completely different way.

If you search, you should be able to find the thread in Advanced Drug Discussion that I'm referencing. Be safe folks, stick to actual cannabis as your main source of cannabinoids until we know more about these compounds. Cannabis has thousands of years of history of human use and has an excellent track record, and plus it gets you mad high. :)
 
^Yes, and significantly so, which is an enormous breakthrough if you ask me. Its a shame the medical community isn't vigorously researching the potential of traditional cannabinoids to save lives.
 
^ That's an unfortunate side-product of the society we currently live in. However, the stigma associated with some of the softer drugs (such as marijuana) fortunately appears to be on the fall, and cannabis is used more and more for medical purposes, so hopefully we will see some improvements in that department.
 
Well there has been some initial toxicity testing done on rats I believe. It is floating around on the net I will as a .pdf download. They did what I think is called a Greenscreen test in which they test if the chemical or it's metabolites damage DNA (which indicates that it is likely carcinogenic). It was not shown to damage DNA in these tests.

I really don't know much about the accuracy of these tests though so I would love someone more knowledgeable to chime in here. I'll see if I can find a link to the DL.

edit: This site has it. They say the person who sponsored the test wants to remain anonymous which is a little fishy.

http://www.synchronium.net/2009/02/21/jwh-018-toxicology/
 
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Tests done on JWH-018 say little to nothing about the results of the same tests if they were to be done on JWH-081.
 
^Yeah, wont the addition of the methoxy group significantly reduce the risk of (possibly...) carcinogenic metabolic byproducts??
 
Yea you're right. I was just addressing the post above that suggested the JWH-018 (and other JWHs, which may still be the case) may be carcinogenic. I should probably post that in the ADD thread it would make for better discussion most likely.
 
I thought the JWHs where supposed to be fairly stable?

Not in my experience. I've had various batches of about 8-9 different cannabinoids that i am aware of, not counting regular cannabis which seems to outlast my willingness to smoke it anway. hehe :D
 
Thanks a lot for the replies :) I don't actually have any, but it appears I might have a source for -081, and I'm just wondering if it might be worth it...

Aeon Psyche, how much would you say the various JWHs last in storage?
 
Questions about JWH-073

Thanks swilow ;)

I know a clone of this thread already exists in CD - they will be eventually merged after a couple of weeks or so..

Anyways..

How long does it last?

What's a good smoked dose / oral dose / intranasal dose?

Is it likely to cause anxiety? (+ Did / do you get anxiety from cannabis?)

How does it compare to cannabis?

Is it likely to cause social retardedness ie going quiet + unsocial? (+ Did / do you get it from cannabis?)

Any other information welcome..
 
Dose: for high level, 12-18mg smoked, 30+mg oral. I'm not sure how well it would work up the nose. It isn't very soluble in water. I couldn't get a dose I intended to inject to dissolve even with the syringe nearly full of water. I would guess that would make it difficult for the nose to absorb it. I don't know. I am very high on this substance right now, not thinking in a normal way.

It becomes very psychedelic at higher doses, in many ways it equals LSD in the intensity of certain effects. It would take a while to go through the list of aspects with descriptions and comparisons. Maybe I will later.

Duration: 60-90 minutes for strongest effects, 3.5-4.5 hours or so total duration. Possibly/likely very minor lingering effects of little significance a few hours longer.

Anxiety: I feel no anxiety at all now. I accidentally took a very large dose my first time because I wasn't prepared for this substance to take 10 minutes to really kick in after being smoked and I smoked several doses before quitting in disappointment. I then shot up like a rocket to a very high level, till I was standing there not knowing what I was doing. The anxiety was caused by a strong body feeling that was in large part me feeling sound with my body. I didn't know that's what it was until I felt changes in sound with my body. I though it was an overdose. That is the only reason I felt anxiety then.

I have had thoughts that might cause some people to feel anxiety, but those thoughts have not caused me any anxiety.

Comparison to cannabis: Sorry, I haven't tried cannabis. I have read from others that it is very similar, maybe to the point where it would be hard or impossible to distinguish the effects.

Going quier/unsocial: I am usually a very quiet person. I don't talk much either physically or online. I can go all day saying only a few sentences sometimes, and most often those will be because someone else asked me a question.

I became very talkative on a mixture of JWH-073 + Mephedrone. I talked for several hours, and only stopped when the other people went away.

I am right now feeling quite a desire to communicate, either online or in the physical world. JWH-073 seems to make me more social. That effect was quite extreme at times when I mixed it with mephedrone.

If I haven't said this already, JWH-073 can produce psychedelic effects that are distinctive from LSD and other seratonergic psychedelics, but that rival the best of those in intensity in some areas, possibly exceeding what most trips with those do in one particular area that I am having trouble defining. It is something I feel on a minority of those trips, but I have felt every time with JWH-073.

I may post more about it later. I'd specifically like to address the point of what areas it meets or exceeds seratonergic psychedelics, as well as some of the similarities and differences.

I hope that has helped you.

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One other thing: If you are using a lightbulb or glass pipe to smoke, it takes a while for it to vaporize and it seems like the melted chemical moves up the glass as you heat it, making it harder to vaporize all at once. It might be better to use a metal pipe.

I've used aluminum foil a few times, but I don't think it is a safe way to smoke very often. The melting point of aluminum is supposed to be much higher than a lighter's flame, but it ends up being deformed or even partially destroyed. I doubt it is good for the lungs, and may be bad for the brain and other parts of the body. It may do this because the aluminum reacts with other chemicals and those things melt or get burnt. Aluminum foil shouldn't just melt or burn.
 
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^Nice write up, but I'm just curious when you mean "Sorry, I haven't tried cannabis." You are actually saying, that you've never smoked Cannabis? Not once, not never, even after trying all these other substances you mentioned?

I find that pretty intriguing. Not in a negative way though.
 
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That is correct, I've never smoked it.
I mainly use the internet to get drugs, so all these other things are easier to get than cannabis, though I wouldn't really have much trouble finding it.

I'll probably just grow my own later. I've been planning to do so for a while, but I first need to set up an area in a closet or something to do it.

To tell the truth, I was never really interested in trying cannabis until recently. I thought it was probably quite weak compared to other drugs I've used. That is not the case if it can do what JWH-073 does. I didn't think it would really be very psychedelic. JWH-073 is highly psychedelic at higher doses, and even low or mid level doses produce quite a bit of psychedelic type things.

I get often extreme synasthesia from it. with sound being felt in my body and sometimes tasted and seen as light.

It has also made me feel like I was in the presence of God(not necessarily the only one). There have been many things I don't think I can describe, and many things I don't understand at all.
 
^If all of that is true. Then your first Cannabis experience, regardless of the quality, will more than likely be a trip in itself. =D

If you do a proper grow of a potent strain, from then on you will finally find what you've been missing all these years ;)
 
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