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The Big & Dandy Salvia Thread - Second iteration

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I just picked up a gram of 20x salvia extract leaves. Is salvia a party drug? Can I use this drug at a rave for fun? I was thinking about rolling it into a joint, then smoking it while dancing in the happy hardcore room.

-PLUR
 
Salvia is about as far from a party drug (or even "fun", for that matter) as it's possible to get, Candy. Can be terrifying enough in a safe, closed environment. Smoking it at a rave would be pretty much unthinkable for me. It's also very short acting and can make you behave in very strange ways with no memory or control over what you are doing. Would advise against it in such a scenario myself.
 
I can't even open my eyes on Salvia, let alone stand, dance, or talk. :D
 
What is this new drug called salvia?

Last night we were passing a blunt around but I notice my friend had one all to his self and I was like "what r u smoking ?" And they were like" its salvia that we got from ocean city and it's legal" . So I wanted to take a hit but my friend wouldn't let me for some reason . When I smoke weed it only takes me like 2 hits and I'm already fried so u can say I'm a light weight . But why wouldn't my friends let me smoke the salvia ? Is it bc I'm a light weight and couldn't handle it? Would I be tripping really bad ? Im thinking about trying it tonight And is it smart to smoke it with weed ? I never heard of salvia till last night . Thanks

Ps. i posted this on the cannabis board but they told me to post it here.
 
Jdangles18 said:
Last night we were passing a blunt around but I notice my friend had one all to his self and I was like "what r u smoking ?" And they were like" its salvia that we got from ocean city and it's legal" . So I wanted to take a hit but my friend wouldn't let me for some reason . When I smoke weed it only takes me like 2 hits and I'm already fried so u can say I'm a light weight . But why wouldn't my friends let me smoke the salvia ? Is it bc I'm a light weight and couldn't handle it? Would I be tripping really bad ? Im thinking about trying it tonight And is it smart to smoke it with weed ? I never heard of salvia till last night . Thanks

Ps. i posted this on the cannabis board but they told me to post it here.
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If 2 hits of cannabis makes you fried...
1 hit of salvia will send you to space.
 
you obviously have no idea about what you are so eager to smoke...
 
Salvia is not a cannabis substitute, it's a hard psychedelic. If you haven't tripped before, I would recommend trying mushrooms or LSD first. An unexpected trip of that magnitude could turn you off of psychedelics forever. I've seen it happen a few times.
 
Kapitan said:
Salvia is not a cannabis substitute, it's a hard psychedelic. If you haven't tripped before, I would recommend trying mushrooms or LSD first. An unexpected trip of that magnitude could turn you off of psychedelics forever. I've seen it happen a few times.
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Eww thanks guys I didn't know it was that bad of a drug . Why is it legal then?
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it was a 'bad' drug. I don't think that there are any inherently 'bad' drugs. However, I wouldn't recommend smoking salvia on a whim, without mentally preparing for it first. It's a strong hallucinogen.
 
I didn't know it was that bad of a drug
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It's not inherently a BAD DRUG. It is actually physically one of the safest known psychedelics out there. The reason people are telling you to be careful is because it is an EXTREMELY INTENSE PSYCHEDELIC. It can be much more intense than LSD or mushrooms. And it only lasts 10-15 min. It is a natural plant that grows in the ground and the active compound is Salvinorin-A, which in pure form is active at 200 micrograms.

Salvia breakthroughs (usually to break through, you have to smoke an extract, i.e. 10x, 20x, 40x) can be the most intense experiences in one's life. They are very bizarre experiences. The reason it's not illegal (yet) is because it doesn't have any addiction potential. In fact, for a lot of people it has the opposite effect -- they'll try it, and be scared so shitless that they never want to do it again. It happens so fast, and you are catapulted into another world, one of total chaos. The experience is much harder to integrate (apply the experience to your life) than other psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, DMT, mescaline, or ketamine. For me, the experience happens SO fast and it's so chaotic and bizarre that I can't make all that much sense out of it. It's definitely not a party/recreational/social drug in my opinion, it is for deep inner exploration and spiritual work.

The USA is trying to make it illegal though. It's been used for 1000s of years by Mexican shamans.

Do some reading, here's a link to the Erowid.org Salvia Divinorum Vault.
 
If you want to garner the full benefit of the Salvia experience, smoke it straight from a pipe - not a cone. This is important because Salvinorin A has a pharmacokinetic time-curve similar to drugs such as DMT. This means that a 'breakthrough' dose needs to be introduced to the bloodstream faster than it is eliminated; you need to administer the full dose in one go. With Salvia leaf, the fastest route of administration is inhalation (of the smoke or vapour), of the full dose.

Put as much as you can into the bowl of a pipe, and rip it hard with the flame constantly burning it. Take a full lungful. Don't use a water-bong. Don't cough. Hold it in for at least thirty seconds. By the time you exhale you should be feeling first alerts.

Don't be discouraged if you don't breakthrough on your first try. Salvia Divinorum has a peculiar non-linear tolerance (some will say it exhibits reverse tolerance), and many serious psychonaughts don't breakthough on their first, or even second tries. Many users don't have the mental attitude even conducive to accommodate such an experience. Give it a chance, respect it, and you may find yourself in the embrace of Maria.
 
^^ i have never found the taste to be that bad although i have never smoked a blunt of it....

but then again reality, including the idea that i just smoked something will be gone a few seconds after i finally exhale.... and then im thrown into a whole new world....

I haven't done salvia since i did it while camping and stepped into the fire while experiencing my death and judgment in a talk show.....
 
It is a very strong experience that most do not find pleasurable. It can hit you so hard that time looses all meaning and you can forget that you have taken a drug which can be quite frightening. It is currently being demonized in the media and being made illegal on a state by state case.

It isn't really new though, just new to the mainstream. If you want an idea of what the experience is like check out Trip Reports for some first hand accounts. The threads follow a certain format that requires the substance to be named so if you do an advanced search and type in "salvia" and change the drop box right underneath the text box to read "search subjects only" you will find your salvia reports.
 
It's legal because its scary to most people, probably showing the world "drugs are bad" or some shit. Just my opinion
 
caius said:
i can't imagine how a blunt of salvia must taste 8)
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Tastes nice, actually :)

I sometimes smoke supersillystrong extract in a spliff cos it's just too feckin' intense to smoke in a bong. Few puffs produces a nice, slightly psychedelicised state without being too overwhelming. I'd imagine standard leaf or low-strength extracted leaf would be perfectly pleasant in a joint, but nothing like cannabis.

Certainly not a drug to all tastes :D

Gonna merge this with the Salvia thread.
 
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