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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy PCP Thread

that said im sure everyone here who intentionally smoked PCP got what they were sold, and probs some of you got laced weed, but im sure the vast majority just smoked good weed.

Actually, I think it did happen to me once, and until I started thinking today, pretty much exactely the other way around. I'm quite sure I had PCP laced weed and at the time figured it was just really good weird weed. Now people can think 'you've never had good weed', but I was born in and still live in Amsterdam. I've smoked hash and weed daily for a good 6 years now. I'm véry familair with being stoned. I'm also experienced with some dissociatives; ketamine and nitrous. A few years back I used to be in the UK a lot, thanks to some friends there I had a good supply of brittish weed.

One time the weed was exceptionally strange. I'll describe it: it tasted different from regular weed and the first 5 minutes we'd feel nothing, then after 5 minutes it'd suddently kick in. Weed never does that for me, it graduatly comes up from the moment I blow out the smoke. Now this weed which I'll refer to as odd weed from now kicked in after 5 minutes, and from that moment I'd be véry, véry stoned and noticably numb. My vision would be off too, much too dark and far away looking, kind of like nitrous does but without the buzziness that nitrous has on all your senses.

We soon figured this weird weed was much too strong to smoke in large amounts, but the first night after we got it we didn't know that yet, and smoked quite a few spliffs. What happened was that suddently I couldn't see anything. I was also upside down for some odd reason, or maybe in a 90 degree angle. I wasn't even sure at the time. None of this concerned me to the slightest and I was talking and babbling on like I was feeling completely normal. I remember most of the conversations, even with this being 4 years ago. Now I'm not typically the person to lie upside down with no vision and assume nothing weird is going on. That was also the night we decided we couldn't smoke too much of this stuff or weird things would happen.

These effects have some strong links with ketamine (more then with weed anyway). Most of all the numbness, not feeling your limbs, or even forgetting you have them, then also the forgetting which side is up with eyes closed. Also the actual head feeling was suprisingly similair, and not similair to being stoned. There were also differences to ketamine, for example, on ketamine I'm typically very aware of what a weird state I'm in, its a lot more lucid and I'm just more.. mentally aware of what is happening to me. On the odd weed I don't remember even thinking for one moment about the fact I couldn't see or was virtually upside down.

I did like the odd weed, and I'm curious to one day try a low dose of PCP to see if that is what it was. I'm pretty sure I'll like it anyway, it sounds comparable but stronger to ketamine, and I like that a lot. I'll probably not come across any for years though and I'm not in a hurry to either. Im just curious to this strong dissociative. I'm wondering if people who did ketamine ánd pcp could tell me how well they compare, because I still hold the posibility this was just really, really weird weed, or that it was laced with something completely unrelated, so any more information is always welcome.
 
So I've been keeping this experience under my cap for around a year, but I feel like it's time I told the world. Or at least the people who are most likely yo understand me and least likely to judge or doubt me. At around September of last year I went on a dissociative binge, consuming a large quantity of olive-oil sold to me as "CBD" oil, the active constituent in hashish and indica strains of cannabis. But what I experienced was exactly like the reports of oral PCP that I've read, and unlike any cannabinoid. I even experimented with CBD-heavy extracts and found them to be the opposite of this particular batch. I have smoked laced weed before, and before anybody rushes to correct me, I'm an extremely experienced cannabis user and know the difference between the two. This was something different than being blazed off some nice kush for the first time and freaking out. When you smoke a few bongs and get a massive bell-ringer on par with an IM shot of K, and the floor looks ten feet away from you, well there's nothing that does that other than the most angelic of dusts. That's G.O.D. for PCP, my obsession and the one compulsion that made this studied and experienced psychonaut lose complete control.

I bought this oil in the hopes that I would have an alternative to smoking, as I was moving into a new house where it wouldn't be as easy or acceptable to smoke out a window. So as a result I was actively trying to get used to using this in lieu of smoking. What ended up happening was a complete dissociative fugue where I became detached from reality and saw myself from a third person perspective for an extended period. I dosed ~8 oz. of this oil over three weeks and consumed approximately 40mg of PCP, not a large amount, but with what was likely several hundred milligrams of PCC, piperidine, and other lovely contaminates. I was basically non-stop sigma dosing this stuff in the way that one might with Delsym, but with the difference that one teaspoon would make you JUST dis-inhibited enough to take another, and another, before I was so spaced I could barely add up how many I took at the end of the day. At which point I'd break out the K, snort massive lines and dissociate even further. This potentiated the already immensely powerful PCP state into complete cosmic insanity on a scale I can't even comprehend in a sober mind. I was reduced to complete kosmic dust, as Jamshyd and others have put it. The power of the experience filled every last nook and cranny of my mind until there was nothing left but the un-mistakable certainty that I was experiencing the divine with every receptor in my brain and molecule in my body-which was miles away at this point.

People say that PCP has a long longevity in the body and any doses taken the day after had an additive effect, well I can definitely attest to this. There was also the added complication of the inconsistency of orally dosing something this potent, even though I determined after the fact that there was probably 1mg of active PCP for every 5ml, but keep in mind I had 16oz total. I basically watched half of that jar dissapear and my mind go from a mildly depressed and detached state to a complete psychotic mess. It was over before it even began, like I said I lost all control and the damage had been done before I realized what happened. I had all sorts of John Lilly-esque delusions such like thinking an elaborate series of co-incidences was created by some higher mind in order that I access this space and learn it's secrets. I was running down the hallways and passages of my mind with wild abandon, viewing every possible alternate reality, generally acting like a child in some kind of absurd existential candy store. These incredibly elaborate mind movies would take over and I'd live entire lives in them, exploring the complete surreality in a real way I can only describe as delusional. Unfortunately while my mind was in the clouds my body was being absolutely punished as I was on an incredibly restrictive diet as another kind of self-experiment.

I started taking it on September 21st 2009 and binged heavily until October 7th, which seemed to pass in the blink of an eye. When I came to I knew I had fucked up in an epic way, and considering I was experiencing a kind of induced schizophrenic state I knew I had to stop as soon as possible. I had to wean myself off of it for several days, and ended up zonking myself out on Seroquel and Epival for a week or so to avoid the inevitably mind-crushing withdrawals. This was a bad choice, as the longevity of something like that in your body is immense, especially in someone with a weakened digestive system. Even though I was heavily sedated on quetiapine I was basically still under the influence of the much more powerful PCP. I couldn't take the dose of quell that would have held my dopamine receptors otherwise my body would have likely shut down, so I could only attenuate the state and make it marginally more bearable. I have a reduced seizure threshold because of this, as the combo of a sedating anti-psychotic and phencyclidine is known to produce. I also have a great "second skeleton" of bizzare tardive-diskinesia-esque muscular movements that I can control, but for a time was involuntary and seemed necessary in order to channel the psychotic level of energies I felt surging through me.

It seemed ironic that this was during a bit of a PCP renaissance here on BL when new analogues like 3-MeO and 4-MeO PCP and PCE were appearing on the scene. I wish I could have experienced this in a more measured way, with known doses of pure research-grade chemicals like are available now. But no, I had to go and trust a source that could barely spell in our communication. There was every sign that there was something wrong with this batch, it had a musty, fishy smell that if added to a solvent would be exactly like the varnish-like smell that this stuff is known for. It cost a pittance compared to what I now know it would take to make that much of a real CBD extract. Aside from hash or indica weed there's no way to even GET pure CBD, and it's apparantly the non-psychoactive part of cannabis anyways. Than again, if you're going to try and pass something off as a non-psychoactive cannabinoid that can only potentiate weed, what better than a diluted dissociative? At lower levels the buzz was fairly cannabis like, and I suppose the source could have been ignorant and merely used some cheap shady soap-bar hash. But still, I don't understand why such a powerful drug is rarely sold as what it is, other than it has such remarkable stigma that just it wouldn't sell.

I just realized how long this post is, probably the longest and most personally revealing I've made. I don't know if it can be considered a TR because like alot of reports, I didn't really know what it was, and I suppose if you don't believe me you could say I was just K'd out and delusional and dismiss my whole experience. But that's too tidy of an explanation, I feel way too much resonance with the other reports here and on Erowid, and in music like "Waterworld" by Leak Bros which is a lyrical exploration of the subject of PCP abuse. I can't relate to dipping a cigarette in leak and ether, as I've only recently starting experimenting with tabacco and never had it in that form. But I feel like this experience put a mark on my soul, and it's something I pretty much can't deny at this point without being carted off to the loony bin for good. To remain existentially authentic I had to integrate the experience, and there's still alot of work to be done. I assume whatever damage to my body and mind has been done, the drug reshuffled the cards and delt me my hand, it's up to me to deal with it and continue playing the game, or check out completely. I just had to get that off my chest as I feel like keeping it under wraps was eating me alive internally. Hope someone out there can get something out of this. Thanks for reading every one, PeaCe and <3 ;)
 
I first smoked PCP at 16. Whilst driving on the wrong side of town. It immediately felt like my head was smashed in with a sledge hammer as I slumped in the driver seat. I definitely had a gangsta lean. I somehow managed to control my spaceship to a nearby park with some hood OG's. They stood there passing the lenyos around (lenyo is a joint of parsley sprinkled with PCP hydrochloride) and politicking about hood shit. Meanwhile, I was on my third KJ dream. I then pictured police everywhere. My steps were small...VERY small. As though my shoelaces were tied together. We called this "steppin on ants". I didn't get far.

The pigs rolled through and hemmed us up. They asked who's vehicle was there by the curb. We all denied it. He took my keys and started that bitch up. I was still in another galaxy to even care. He only locked my keys in my vehicle and told me by the time I walked to the gas station to get a tow truck out here I'd be cool to drive. Weird cop.

Anyhow, I quickly built up a tolerance to PCP and began smokin those bad boys every day. For 2-3 years. I smoked it like most smoke kush these days. Then I just stopped. I never experienced or saw all this "SUPER HUMAN" strength, running around naked stuff you hear about. And I was around a lot of blasters. Even for years afterwards. I did notice weak minded folks got real dumb or real "stuck" on it real fast. But most of us, as we built up that tolerance, just went about our day - blasted.
 
Soon a friend of mine will have some PCP, we will get in powder or crystal form appearantly and we're planning on smoking it. Now I have some basic questions about that:

1. What would be a correct dosage, assuming the powder is pure? (we have testing facilities in my country, and we will send in a sample to have it's pureness tested, if its cut we'll change dosage accordingly, so, does anyone know a regular dose?
2. Can you just roll a cigarette with the powder in it or would that not work and do you have to desolve it in some liquid first and then apply it?
3. If you solve it, what liquid would you use, demi water? Alcohol? Something else?

We're considering desolving it in some liquid to apply it to a cigarette, mostly because that way we could spread it more equally over the length of the cigarette, while with small dosages spreading the powder through a cigarette would make it more likely to end up rather un-even, which is not something we'd prefer ofcourse, but I'm mostly wondering, what do you solve it in, does it need to warm to solve it or can you do it cold etc.?

We are both very experienced with ketamine and nitrous oxide in a large variaty of doses and have no significant tolerance to ketamine, some though, as in, 75 mg does what 50 used to do two years ago so that gets me to my last question; is there any cross tolerance for PCP?

We're planning on taking in an indoor setting with only 1 or 2 other people there, who would be our sober 'trip'-sitters, just in caze when we are in a strange, dissociated stated in which the subcontious is widely open while somehow still capable of moving (which I suspect is easier on pcp then on ketamine, moving?), there are people available to prevent us from doing anything silly, although I know my subcontiouss through ketamine and nitrous and LSD and I'm not expecting anything bad, we're just making sure and having some sober people there, that's never a bad idea on first times.

Either way, these were my questions and information, proper information, on PCP is very rare, so I have very little information to browse through as it is and will have to ask more questions.
 
1) Smoked, it's hard to say. I guess it depends on the efficiency of your smoking method. I smoked 10 mg freebase (I think up to 20, I don't remember) on a dipped cigarette and got fairly mild effects. Insufflation of the HCl salt is mild at around 5mg and fairly strong, but still leaving you mostly functional at around 7-8mg. I definitely wouldn't go any higher than that the first few times.

2) You could definitely roll a cigarette with the freebase powder, and Alldaylong suggests you can do the same with the hydrochloride salt. I haven't tried it with the salt, but did try smoking it in a glass pipe and it was extremely harsh. Cigarettes dipped in freebase taste almost sweet.

3) Dissolving it depends on weather it's the salt or not, the salt will dissolve in water and alcohol, while the freebase will dissolve in alcohol and non-polar solvents, but not water. Diethyl ether is good for dissolving the freebase for smoking because it evaporates quickly, though naphtha, toluene etc. would work too. Make sure the solvent evaporates cleanly, and make sure it's all evaporated before sparking it up!

There's probably some cross-tolerance, and moving is easy on moderate doses, and very clumsy on high doses, but definitely possible.
 
Wow, I've never seen a drug with more nonsense, bullshit & straight up lies perpetrated about it. so many people have so many terrible misconceptions about PCP. dust is NOT that big a deal, i've smoked it many times and enjoyed myself each time (except the times that there were too many heads on the cyph to get dusted!)

if you are going to smoke pcp you should throw out everything you've ever heard about it before. do NOT go into this with retarded ass expectations of going crazy or freaking out, you won't enjoy yourself. don't even bother reading anything about it on the internet like erowid trip reports or anything because the drugs effects are too subjective and I'm willing to bet lots of stories told on the net are people smoking dank for the first time and not being able to handle it. try to smoke it with people who do this shit before. personally I enjoy smoking pcp that's been attached to an inert carrier (mint leaves, parsley, w/e) than smoking "dips" (cigarettes, joints blunts, whatever dipped into liquid pcp) those go too quickly if theres a big group.

pcp is one of the most fun and interesting drugs around...it's horrible that it has such a bad rap and is (mostly) relegated to the ghettos of large american cities. I truly believe many more people should be willing to smoke it and would enjoy themselves if they had a more open mind. After reading several pages of this thread it's very clear to me that several of you bluelighters have smoked (or claimed to smoke) pcp for no other reason than to convince yourself that pcp is a horrible drug (then tell the internet all about it) PCP is a very powerful mind altering substance that shouldn't be treated much differently than other drugs of its nature - if you go into this thinking you will hate it, oh god it taste and smells gross, oh god it's a dirty drug, oh god i'm gonna jump out a window, YOU WILL HAVE A BAD TIME. what do you expect?!?!?

as for people actually open minded and willing to enjoy themselves on a new drug regardless of it's horrendous reputation, a whole new world of perception awaits you!

you should smoke dust in a moderately large group, say 4-5 people. if it's your first time it's probably better to be in a house. sherm produces a loss of inhibitions in the same sense that alcohol does, but i find it to be more like mdma (not in the sense that you're hugging and touching everyone around you) but the first time i smoked dust i genuinely bonded and became more open with the people around me. there is also a unique euphoria during the come up that rivals the feelgood moments of many other drugs (but it does not last long) intense CEVs are also a delight. the other peak effects are subjective and change from person to person. one thing i should note is that you REALLY shouldn't drink alcohol during or prior to smoking dust. and you CERTAINLY should not be drunk and smoke it i'm also willing to bet that many of the stories people have heard regarding pcp and outrageous situations also involved alcohol. alcohol turns it into some other shit, infact alcohol is a much more dangerous drug than PCP i'd say and i bet you've all taken more than one swig in your life.

I hope this post convinces at least ONE skeptic to try pcp, while not drunk, in an environment they are comfortable in, and enjoy it enough to tell a real life friend of theirs. There is no reason PCP has to have the reputation it does.
 
^^ yeah totally. Maybe another thing is that it's quite potent insufflated or, I guess, smoked well. It's probably much easier to take a higher dose than you were aiming for than with ketamine say.

StaySedated, how would you compare it with ketamine? I've never tried ket and was wondering if it's possible to get to something like a k-hole on it without being zonked for a day!
 
i love pcp
i got wet when i was 17 my first drug experience and man...
shit turned me into a ruthless killer with no emotions on a path to beat the devil at his game...
oh yeah on a scale 1-10 wet is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Am I the only one who caught this?

Dude said he used to be a serial killer or somethin?
 
Good Pcp is worth it, all these people talking about going crazy are nuts, the weed dont get me high enuff so i smoke da sherm stick
 
Am I the only one who caught this?

Dude said he used to be a serial killer or somethin?

Something tells me that if it were true he would not be here talking about it like that, instead the horror stories told in the media about people going insane on PCP would be food for thought for a troll.

In the unlikely event he is telling the truth, what are you planning to do? Sound the alarm? Convince him to stop? Ehmm right.
 
Pcp??? Anyone tried it and live to tell the story?

I love dxm, ketamine barely gets the cake over it tho. So I finally chased down pcp in liquid form. I dipped half of a cigarette in pcp then dried it and smoked it. It hit right away and was insane! I've done high doses of dxm And fairly high doses of k for me at least yet none of them compared. I couldn't move or think and I basically took a trip to hell in my own mind. Satan welcomes me into hell and it scared the shit out of me. Anyone else ever done pcp? Did I do too much or is this just how it is and is it not worth doing? I still have some left and am considering doing more but am too scared unless I get advice.
 
For a first timer id say you did a bit much. With PCP you really want to take it slow if you're not use to it, the only exception in my mind being a ketamine connoisseur who has "gone that extra mile", so to speak.

While ive only done PCP a handful of times, almost each time has been rather enjoyable. I would only take a few small hits of the shermie (dipped cig) at a time, each time taking in a bit more than the last, to see what I could really push myself to without going manic, and I only had one minor freakout. For the most part, I couldnt move and felt entirely blissfully numb. My vision went very hazey like I was watching an old movie, and things became a bit darker in color, however it was enjoyable to say the least!

My words of advice: Take it slow with PCP, and be in a clear mindset, in a familiar and comfortable setting. If you can, have someone around your first few times.

If you take it slow, and like extreme dissociatives, you should enjoy PCP, granted everyone is different and thats really just my personal feelings toward it.
 
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PCP isn't really that extreme. It's just like K. All the stories about it were the same bullshit stories that were told about marijuana, LSD, Crack etc. For some reason the urban myth about PCP stayed - probably because not that many people ever got to try it like they did LSD so they didn't realise it was just bullshit.

When you take PCP you feel a bit floaty and giggle a bit. End of story.
 
Is pharmacutical grade PCP still being made?

My buddy told me rumors of this being true. I was under the impression it was discontinued in the 50's. At least for medicinal purposes, involving humans. Am i wrong? (not and id thread)
 
Good question. I've no answer....likely not in the us anymore, I think ket sidestepped pcp as the most efficient anaesthetic. Lol, and now they don't even use ket anymore n humans do they..? And since PCP doesn't have the same veterinary function as ketamine, 'm gonna say no pharm production of pcp right now in the us. I thin they stopped using it for medical procedures because of a high number of psychotic reactions...people throwing cars, cannabilizing nurses, eating their own fingers etc. Lol jk, but I think psychotic reactions caused production to cease.
 
PCP... Ahh good old leak...

So why do people think that PCP is such a bad drug?

It is rather glorious when used properly.

Everyone wants to bug out about all these RC's and vet drugs related to it, but are so pessimistic about the grandfather dipper? This confuses me...
 
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