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The Big & Dandy Nootropics Thread

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2c-buoyant said:
I'm tempted to order some adrafanil to see if its worth anything, but it's so expensive and I'm in no position to be frivolous when it comes to money right now. :\
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I'm kinda in the same boat money-wise, but it's Phenibut that I'm debating paying twice as much for at the store rather than through the mail.

Also I don't have a scale of any kind, so that would be an extra expense IF I did order any nootropics in bulk powder off the internet. Or is it easy to eyeball ~.5 to 1 gram doses using 00 capsules?
 
The Wizard said:
If Choline Citrate isn't very bioavailable orally try it sublingually. Some supplements like GABA work a lot better sublingually than orally as they cross the blood-brain barrier more efficiently.
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Thanks for that tip. BTW, the Choline supplement I take sometimes is Bitrate. I know I've read about the difference before somewhere (probably here) but I can't remember. Could anyone enlighten me to the difference between a Bitrate and a Citrate substance?

The Wizard said:
What sedative/anxiolytics out there are claimed to have smart drug benefits? I've heard some people swear Phenibut made them feel clearer headed and smarter and supposedly the relaxing herb Bacopa has nootropic benefits.
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I really like L-Theanine. You probably already know about it. I wouldn't call it a sedative but its definitely relaxing (that's the anxiolytic part, right?) and it definitely makes me feel clear headed.
 
Didn't know Phenibut was available in stores. And you say they charge twice as much as online? Online as I recall 30 grams of powder for $15 is about average. You def. should invest in a scale dude... You can get a decent digital scale for $20-$40 on E-Bay.

You might not fuck yourself up bad just by poorly eyeballing a dose of Phenibut but what if one day you try eyeballing a dose of a 2Cxx or some other psychedelic and acidentally take WAY too much.

I feel soooo much better taking powders, herbs, etc. when I've weighed them on a scale.

Why is it Modafinil, Adrafinil, etc. are so damned expensive anyway? It's fucking bullshit is what it is. Is it because these drugs are relatively new and perhaps the price will come down or what?

Did you guys know the military used to test Modafinil on its troops? They were seeing how it compared to Amphetamines, Caffeine, etc. when it came to safety and efficiency. As I recall they found it to have a similar safety/efficiency to Caffeine.

I read somewhere that the military has been studying and testing tons of Xanthines related to Caffeine. Wonder if any of em are any good. Pure Theobromine sounds to me like it might be nice.

One cool thing is I read Thailand's military used to use a cocktail of Kratom and other drugs as a performance enhancer. And yet Thailand has extremely stiff penalties for any citizens caught using Kratom.

Has anyone tried Provigil, Deprenyl or Hydergine rectally or nasally?
 
No, no, and no to answer your last question, Wizard.

I may or may not invest in a scale. You might have missed the part where I talked about my girlfriend who I have been with for 6 years a few posts ago. That's why I'm reluctant to buy supplements or drug related things online, for the time being.

I'd never try to eyeball a 2C substance out. I've only done 2C-E, but ~13mg of it orally had me tripping balls pretty hard with just awesome open-eyed visuals. I know part of the intensity was due to set & setting at the time of that trip.


Edit: I was never able to find Phenibut, Piracetam, and some other nootropics in stores either. Then I moved to Chicago and found out a place I live 100 feet from sells all of it. Pretty convenient, but the prices definitely reflect that unfortunately.
 
Also I don't have a scale of any kind, so that would be an extra expense IF I did order any nootropics in bulk powder off the internet. Or is it easy to eyeball ~.5 to 1 gram doses using 00 capsules?
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It's easy to eyeball with capsules. Also if you get it in bulk from certain places, they come with a conversion chart for the specific batch of the chemical, for example, 1/4tsp equals 870mg of piracetam. It varies slightly by batch, but not much... and the exact dose of most nootropics isn't important, not like with psychedelics.

But you should get a scale anyway. But for my bulk powders, I use a 1/8 or 1/4 tsp to dose out, never a milligram scale.
 
cool cool

Nitrous is Nice said:
But back to my original question... How many days of not taking Piracetam would be enough to appreciate the full effects of Nitrous? I'm under the impression that Piracetam builds up in your system, so I'm guessing that just abstaining a day or two wouldn't be enough to bring the magic of N2O back...
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Anybody have an idea?
 
If one can't order a digital scale online try your neighborhood headshops and convenience stores. I notice more and more stores are carrying decent, affordable digital scales. That's really cool that you found a health store that actually stocks nootropics. What's with the lack of ethnobotanical stores around the U.S.? At the most one might find a few old, low quality herbs at their neighborhood headshop, health store or occult store but never a wide array of fresh, quality herbs.

I think it would be awesome to open an ethnobotanical/smart drug/supplement store which also had a cafe which sold teas, tinctures, smoothies, malts, etc. and also had a smoking area with vaporizers and herbs one could pay to vape. I guess such a store would never be allowed to succeed in the backwards ass, closeminded, corrupt U.S. of A.
 
^Phenibut is more than worth the money. It pays for itself, I have to re-up soon I get 100 grams for 40 or so dollars, money well spent. They increase the duration of valiums like 200% (whereas I only have to take 2.5 mg as opposed to 40mg a day). That and my other nootropics are my new best friends.

Anyone a fan of Huperzine?
 
High doses of L-Theanine, Niacinamide, Taurine and Salvia miltiorrhiza (contains a Benzo agonist as I recall) might also boost your Valium. And grapefruit juice can potentiate certain Benzos.

Personally, I can't imagine living and functioning on a Benzo. They make me feel so numb, detached, apathetic, blank, dull, etc... Def. not smart drugs.
 
Benzos feel the same way to me... I hate the effects of them. But then I do not suffer from anxiety... I think anxiety probably is worse to live with.

I do not find phenibut to be very benzo-like... in fact the only benzo-like thing about it is the muscle relaxation. Phenibut makes me feel sparkly and alive and euphoric, whereas benzos make me feel, like you said, dull, groggy, and apathetic.

As for huperzine, I actually have some but haven't tried it. I wonder why? I wonder if I can even find it? What do you find that it does for you, bouyant?
 
Xorkoth said:
Benzos feel the same way to me... I hate the effects of them. But then I do not suffer from anxiety... I think anxiety probably is worse to live with.

I do not find phenibut to be very benzo-like... in fact the only benzo-like thing about it is the muscle relaxation. Phenibut makes me feel sparkly and alive and euphoric, whereas benzos make me feel, like you said, dull, groggy, and apathetic.

As for huperzine, I actually have some but haven't tried it. I wonder why? I wonder if I can even find it? What do you find that it does for you, bouyant?
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Agreed, the only similarities it shares are the reduction in anxiety, which for me is more than necessary. The only problem is the tolerance factor, so I have to cycle 4 days on and 3 days off, which isn't particularly a big problem. It feels more like a low dose MDMA or GHB (or what I would think G would feel like, I've never tried it).



It potentiates a great deal of things as well, alcohol to a beautiful degree (one beer and I'm all grinny face), pots an interesting combo, ketamine was interesting as well (although subtle). I also take theanine, but don't notice all that much from it. I do continue to order it because it is the only thing that has ever been effective in treating my S/O's insomnia.

So yea, phenibut rocks my socks.

It's funny the only benzo's that make me feel groggy are Xanax (which I hate) and the others with short half lives. Valium gives me a bit of an energy boost (most likely from lack of anxiety) after a few days tolerance, and Klonopin gives me know fatigue whatsoever (unfortunately I have no supply for the Klonopin at the moment). I can't wait to stack the phenibut with piracetam and my cubes once their fully mature, be a good day to walk up into the mountains on the appalachian trail.

Huperzine is real subtle, I can't honestly tell if it's placebo because I haven't taken it in enough days in a row. I will start taking it daily to fully gauge it's effectiveness, and I'll get back to you.

Have you tried picamilon? I had heard rave reviews about it, like it was as good as phenibut, but I can't really tell if it does anything at all. I've heard it takes a few weeks to take effect, but I haven't been taking it regularly. I do however have two bottles, one unopened, so if anyone would like to try it I would be more than willing to let it go for ten bucks plus shipping (cost me 30). PM me if anyone's interested. It's GABA with a niacin molecule attached or some such.
 
I've been wanting to try Picamilon myself. It mainly helps anxiety & depression or also is nootropic-like or what? I heard it doesn't produce a lot of euphoria like Phenibut.

I assume it isn't cheap either. I'm so much more willing to buy supplements/nootropics that are dirt cheap like Piracetam, DMAE, DLPA, etc.

I'm still annoyed at having blown 30 something bucks on Hydergine last month and not looking to waste more money on anything that might not work for my brain chemistry.

Bacopa and Ashwagandha I'd like to try also but not till I find cheap, reliable brands.

Anyone ever use Catuama?
 
I much prefer Huperzine over Vinpocetine myself. I've used both quite a bit. Vinpocetine just doesn't seem like it does too much. Like somebody said, maybe a higher dose would produce more noticeable results.
 
The Wizard said:
I've been wanting to try Picamilon myself. It mainly helps anxiety & depression or also is nootropic-like or what? I heard it doesn't produce a lot of euphoria like Phenibut.

I assume it isn't cheap either. I'm so much more willing to buy supplements/nootropics that are dirt cheap like Piracetam, DMAE, DLPA, etc.

I'm still annoyed at having blown 30 something bucks on Hydergine last month and not looking to waste more money on anything that might not work for my brain chemistry.

Bacopa and Ashwagandha I'd like to try also but not till I find cheap, reliable brands.

Anyone ever use Catuama?
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I just recieved a bottle of bacopa and rhodiola as well. In my experience, it was bunk. Seemed absolutely innactive, and the bulk powder tastes like drinking algae. Rhodiola had the same effect.

I was going to buy ashwaganda at the same time, because I had heard from one individual on imminst.org that those two together were the only things that ever helped his anxiety. Well, from my above experiences I'm not going to waste any more money (even though I have a strange obsession with collecting supplements, I'm very proud of my cabinet of "little helpers" :)
 
Ah, Huperzine.

This, as well as the vinca alkaloids, are the only nootropics that actually worked for me. Huperzine is wonderful, it does wonders to memory storage and recall, and even gives a moodlift.
 
^Okay, well now I might have to rethink some things.


When I first recieved the bottle of Huperzine, I had just run out of my phenibut and was experiencing BAD rebound anxiety. I took 3 capsules right away, and their was a definite subjective effect.

In the proceeding weeks, after I would take my regular stack, I would add the huperzine an hour later to see if their were any distinctions between all of the noot's. I experienced a bit of anxiety, and assumed huperzine was the cause, and ever since then I just don't really take it (no real contemplation behind this, just didn't take it).

In light of your observations, I'm going to start using this one again and see where it takes me, espiacially since I have my precious diazepam and don't have to worry about the anxiety factor. (side note: I've been so proud of myself with my valium, I used to get 100 10mg's at a time and go through them in two weeks). I now take 5 mg (not right away, perhaps after I've had my coffee in the morning) and usually no more than that througout the day.



Edit: Vinca alkaloids? Like Vincopetine? Are these worthwhile? If so I'll add them to my stack when I can afford it.
 
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Yes, I found Vincamine much better than Vinpocetine (just more noticeable affect, and longer-lasting), but both are fine and good for you. I wish they'd make a vinca extract, since it has other alkaloids that are good anti-cancer agents.

As for Phenibut, now you know why I can't stand it. It does very little for me as a benzo dependant, and yet it gives me rebound anxiety and even withdrawal symptoms.

Really, at the moment if I were to take nootropics, my ideal stack would be simple as such:

- Huperzine
- Vincamine
- L-Theanine
- Nicotine (from patches).

If hydergine is indeed like low-dose LSD, then I know exactly what that means, and I would definitely use it. I have yet to try it, though.

ps. Nicotine is not a good idea if one is tapering from benzos, since nicotine induces certain enzymes that mess with their metabolism.

ps.s. Good job 2c on your freedom from the benzo chains! I'm getting there... I'm down to a total of 15mg/day... hopefully down to 10 within the next week :). Gabapentin helps a LOT.
 
^Glad to hear it man, I've never had a habit because I just go through 1000mg in two weeks then have to wait 2 weeks to get more so it's a de facto cycle I suppose. Those two weeks used to SUCK hard though. Now that I have phenibut I can cycle it with the valium and perhaps avoid that whole dependence issue.

I've been meaning to get my hands on some gabapentin, just to see what it's about. I've been taking GABA and Glycine and L-Glutamate, they seem to being some good too (read about amino acid deficincy for clarification). Also taurine every now and then, although it tends to give me a bit of a hearbeat concious type of anxiety if I take too much, 250 mg is great every now and then though.
 
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