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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

i get the feeling all different batches of acid will have slightly different feels to them, based on the idea that you could grow an orange plant in two different places, and they'd both be oranges, but there would be slight differences in the final product
 
^ that logic is faulty. LSD is specific conformation of matter, not a fruit, which has all sorts of genetic variability. There are a few LSD analogues that are active at LSD dosages, but those would have to be intentionally made. All the isomers of LSD have been tested in man at dosages up to the 10's of mgs and found inactive.

However, what is different every time you take LSD is you.
 
what im tryna say is i have an intuition that when synthesising LSD through different routes and methods with different raw materials and different equipment in different atmospheric conditions (temperature, light quantity, humidity) you can get different byproducts which can contribute to the feel of the experience
 
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That's inexcusable that you had to do 20. Insane even. Who with any ethics sells blotter so damn weak that you need 20 for a proper trip? Sad, but I guess with the economy as it is merchants are going to tend to be stingy.
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Yeah, it's fucked up how expensive it is now...and almost nothing on paper is laid over 100mcg anymore...
I wouldn't describe the 20 hit experience as completely mind blowing, I still had a pretty clear vision of my surroundings and a decent enough logical mind to not do something stupid
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To me, that sounds like some really weak paper.
 
I'd actually say with regards to paper and dosage that things haven't been too bad lately. Around 4 years ago there was some real good strong 150ug blotter circulating, then over the next 3 years or so it became standard 60-90ug doses per blotter, but lately we are back to the good old 150-200ug doses.
 
huolesoh said:
what im tryna say is i have an intuition that when synthesising LSD through different routes and methods with different raw materials and different equipment in different atmospheric conditions (temperature, light quantity, humidity) you can get different byproducts which can contribute to the feel of the experience
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Some people may agree with that, but i have my doubts. There are pretty limited likely synthesis routes for clandestine laboratories, and all of the isomers of LSD have been tested in man in doses far exceeding what would be contained in a dose (or an obscene amount of doses even), and they were all found to be inactive. And lastly, if there were a byproduct that was active, and the LSD was >50% pure, the active byproduct would have to be substantially more potent than LSD, which i'd think unlikely. Even more unlikely that we still wouldn't know about it.
 
any major dude said:
all of the isomers of LSD have been tested in man in doses far exceeding what would be contained in a dose (or an obscene amount of doses even), and they were all found to be inactive. .
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Um... what about the post that started this topic? That referenced published research papers about LSD-related compounds that ARE active at blotter-able doses. So that proves it is possible. You keep repeating and repeating this untrue old nonsense and presumptions, IMO. I dont understand the obsession. Sorry.
 
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Um... what about the post that started this topic? That referenced published research papers about LSD-related compounds that ARE active at blotter-able doses. So that proves it is possible. You keep repeating and repeating this untrue old nonsense and presumptions, IMO. I dont understand the obsession. Sorry.
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There are plenty of ergolines that are active at LSD size doses, plenty are listed in TiHKAL, that's nothing new. i was referring to isomers like iso-LSD & lumi-LSD, which are degradation products of LSD.

Things like ETH-LAD, PRO-LAD, AL-LAD, ALD-52, have to be made intentionally though. A chemist can't fudge a step & end up with ALD-52, likewise you're not going to leave some LSD blotters in tinfoil on your dash too long & end up with AL-LAD. IIRC standard LSD degradation usually results in either iso or lumi-LSD which are inactive.

Do things like ALD-52 etc get distributed as LSD? From time to time its happened in the past and i'm sure it will happen in the future. How often does it happen? No one knows. But from what i've gathered, its not terribly uncommon, but certainly not the norm either.
 
^ thanks for clarifying... that was very informative. I think there is probably an incentive to intentionally produce/distribute "Things like ETH-LAD, PRO-LAD, AL-LAD, ALD-52". I recently read (on BL I believe) about someone who was arrested & charged with LSD for blotters, but after testing revealed it was NOT exactly LSD, and nothing controlled that could be identified, everything was dropped. LE risk-reduction for users as well as producers & dealers. Until some kid freaks out on them and news-hungry journalist sensationalize them and they get sceduled. Stupid twats!
 
^it could presumably still be illegal to sell it, especially on blotter, as it is illegal to sell unscheduled RCs "in lieu of" LSD
 
twelvesevndi said:
^it could presumably still be illegal to sell it, especially on blotter, as it is illegal to sell unscheduled RCs "in lieu of" LSD
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ha ha, yes, in the US maybe. But USA is not the world!

Typical American egocentric thinking.
 
It will be that Perhaps this is an explanation for the differences in "quality" that people speak of in terms of LSD.
 
I wish that Hoffman Ohm 2009 and its supposed LSB or LSP could come back! Now looking back i see how i really liked it because had a hint of dissociation and more euphoria than LSD, and never experienced any other chemical like that (sampled that blotters +30x). good times!
 
fly- said:
I wish that Hoffman Ohm 2009 and its supposed LSB or LSP could come back! Now looking back i see how i really liked it because had a hint of dissociation and more euphoria than LSD, and never experienced any other chemical like that (sampled that blotters +30x). good times!
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YES! those were some of my favorite doses I've ever taken. Makes sense now that they weren't LSD since I've done it a bunch since then, and even before then, and still haven't had quite the trip like those gave me, that was one of the best trips of my entire life.
 
Could be 5MEO DALT except the blotter would be the size of a small postage stamp. If you saved the acid -snip- No, if you saved it, you should send it off to a lab for testing. The human brain builds a massive tolerance to it that makes it so although hallucinations might still be present you don't feel anything at all. But acid always works at first even if your tolerance is massive. The duration and amount of stimulus lessens though as soon as you do it twice in a week.

Again it could just be you. I have taken the same acid that gave me an amazing trip again and again until it turned into a rather boring experience with little emotional effects. I even got up to about 20 doses a day that would only last a few hours as far as i could tell. My friends however said i was a little out of my mind but the feeling goes away unfortunately if you do it too many times in a month or even in a year.

Another possibility is DOM but that lasts a long time. Its really visual and just seems to never fade. It comes on two sided paper in California usually perforated with a different picture on each side. The DOM must be glued between the sheets so you can get the 1000 mikes needed.

Yup. In fact anything that effects you like LSD is illegal in the U.S. under the analog act. You could have just hit your head really hard and it's illegal because you are acting like you are on something. Its BS. But with 2CB that's how we got busted because its an analog of MDMA.

Just a warning, this post is all wide speculation, and is the very reason we don't allow speculation over the ID of a chemical. Please don't take any of it to heart. ~Jesusgreen
 
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Please don't quadruple post. We have an edit button for a reason. Then again, I'm not sure if greenlighters can use it, but really, don't quadruple post.

Also if you're replying to the main post, it's almost a year old, and the person posting it actually posted it on another forum, not here, so they're unlikely to see your reply, or have any of the blotter left. ;)

NEVER advise someone to take an unknown substance just to see what it is. That is highly dangerous advice and this is a harm reduction forum. The only way to find out what substance you have is to send it off to a lab for testing, we will not offer ID advice, and we will certainly not advise you to take more if you suspect it might not be LSD.

Also, further comments:
In fact anything that effects you like LSD is illegal in the U.S. under the analog act.
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- no. Analogues are structurally similar chemicals, it has nothing to do with the actual subjective effects, otherwise for example the NBOMe series chemicals would also be illegal in the US.
But with 2CB that's how we got busted because its an analog of MDMA
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2C-B is not an MDMA analogue. It is far closer to Mescaline than any other illegal drug, but even so, still quite far off - even someone with no chemistry knowledge can take a look at 2C-B's structure next to MDMA's structure and see they're not analogous ;) (Other than being phenethylamines of course, but then you'd be better off making the argument that 2C-B is an analogue of amphetamine rather than MDMA)
 
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