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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

I find this thread quite interesting and feel I should add something here.

In the US, late '90s I had tried some dark-purple windowpanes that looked almost black unless you held them to a light. These were similar to but definitely not LSD. They were subjectively different.

With sublingual dosing it would suddenly hit fast and hard in only 10 minutes with intense OEVs where the walls were melting. There was no build up like with real L, it hit all at once. The visuals were more intense and slightly different in a way. It also seemed to be lacking the same depth as the original and did feel less anxiogenic. I didn't notice the duration being much different but wasn't watching the time either.

I shared my observations with others that had sampled the same batch and they agreed that the experience was subjectively different from what they were used to. The visual intensity was what seemed to be noticed the most.

Anyone here who had tried these will know what I'm talking about. It felt more like LSD than anything else, but was not LSD. I always suspected it was another ergoline.
 
DwayneHoover said:
I had some of the hoffman anniversary cartoon with omega on reverse and in addition to being really really weak (1 was not felt at all and 2 just barely) it felt clean and pretty nice but was more a head feel and not much of any actually psychedelic effects, at least at that dose. It was an entire sheet of 100, and many many more received these same sheets, so there were at least thousands and thousands distributed.
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Were these the ones that led to the mystery ergoloid GC/MS? Can you link me to pictures of front and back? I know it's a very common print but there seem to be a lot of variations of it.

I ask because I acquired some hoffman blotter early 2009 of which I still have a couple of hits left. They came from the Netherlands. However, they have a weird taste and are not as weak as what you describe. Yours could have degraded before you got them though.

If I can somehow confirm that what I have is part of one of the suspected batches I will definitely look into getting it analyzed. It might be a couple of weeks though, as I have no idea of how to go about it yet and am pretty busy at the moment (exams).
 
Entheogenic said:
Anyone here who had tried these will know what I'm talking about. It felt more like LSD than anything else, but was not LSD. I always suspected it was another ergoline.
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I wouldn't get too carried away with the ergoline theory entheogenic, it was probably LSD.
 
Ismene said:
There's a bloke called Dave who does it. You can meet him down the pub.
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What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you implying it's impossible for an individual to have a substance analyzed in a lab? Care to explain why? Sure, it might cost more than I am able/willing to spend, but impossible I have a hard time believing... 8)
 
Look it's perfectly simple. When you take your suspected LSD/Non-LSD ergoloid simply proceed to your fridge and remove an egg from the eggbox.

If the egg looks like a pulsating brain then congratulations you have LSD.

If it still looks like an egg then FAIL you have an ergoloid and you must complain to your nearest Triad supplier.
 
Haha

Izzy I'm still waiting for your app over at eP ... Even if we disagree on this subject from one sardonic fuck to another I got love for ya and think you'd like it over there :p :)
 
@Ismene: No problem, didn't mean to come off as aggressive as I did. Still haven't had a chance to try out your "moclo + mush = dmt experience" thing btw... (as long as we're on the subject of implausible claims =D)

@SomeKindaLove: Thanks for the pm, I'll get on it tomorrow probably. Also I like your username, one of my all time favorite songs. :)
 
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I don't know much about GC/MS; the result consisted of two graphs. The first one was posted on the first page of this thread. The second one is linked to above. Since the identification of the substance is disputed, maybe this second datum would be of help.

From what I know, these graphs represent individual substances, right?
 
The woman in that video is more or less responding like I'd expect someone who'd never taken acid before to respond to one tab of really nice blotter. The free association and visuals and spirituality are there, but ego seems very intact as well. So, my subjective opinion on that is as good as anyone else's.

100ug of Sandoz LSD is also no doubt a higher dose than you get on a lot of the blotter that's out there now, and that can be confirmed. DEA seizures are routinely confirmed by GC/MS. If there were a huge amount of weird ergotamines out there, it would have cropped up in Microgram before that publication went dark to the public. Material with a four hour duration would also seem highly suspect to anyone who was experienced with the usual LSD timeline.

To me, Occam's razor suggests one or more clandestine labs have manufactured some amount of non-LSD ergotamines, possibly even inspired by some of the scientific literature describing the compounds. The proposed precursors may well be easier to get in some areas. However, if this were anything like a global epidemic, you would see more identification of this material, followed shortly by legislation.
 
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I had those dark purple gels. I took four, because I didn't know they would be so strong. They melted INSTANTLY!!!!!! Usually gellies take a few minutes to dissolve, in my experience at least. I believe that they were genuine. I was tripping for a long, long time, intense visuals, crazy pupils (I could hardly see a thin band of iris, the rest of my eye was black disc). If these were not LSD-25, then they may have been from Pickard's small batch of ALD-52, which supposedly is converted into LSD in your body anyway. I wish I had taken one at a time so I could have had 4 great trips, but the experience I had by taking 4 was out-of-this world INCREDIBLE and I would love to repeat it. p.s. this sheet of gellies was supposedly from the 'NYC rave scene' whatever significance that might have. All the rest of the gels I've gotten were supposedly out of Maryland.
 
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