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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

Milligrams can fit onto blotter. About 2. No more.

I doubt 20 mcg of atropine would do much.
 
Just curious, since DOx chemicals are amphetamines, if someone was wondering if they ingested DOx rather than LSD, would DOx show up on a cheap drug test for amphetamines? I have to take drug tests and I've learned that most, if not all, amphetamines do show up. I've never taken DOx nor do I currently have a desire to but if they do show up, it could be helpful to people who end up tripping for 20 hours and wonder what the heck happened to them.
 
Probably not, if only due tomthe very low doses involved.
 
SKL said:
Milligrams can fit onto blotter. About 2. No more.

I doubt 20 mcg of atropine would do much.
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OK so would 500-1000mcg atropine do something? And also taste bitter perhaps? That certainly might explain some of the horrible physical effects of some of the "bad acid" I've done, that felt NOTHING like "good clean acid", that CANNOT have been mere placebo, and that some people insist does not exist (who are full of egotistical BS btw).
 
Anyone had the Dutch blotters with shiva (or maybe its buddha) with his hand up, yellow border around every quarter sheet, and in red letters it says "psychedelic". Very strong stuff, but I strongly believe that this substance is a non-lsd ergoloid. As soon as the blotter hits the tongue, the first thing you can taste is perfume, or fruit loop cereal. Comparing this stuff to the WoW blotters of the US, these are more intense, euphoric, and mindfucking. My strongest trip to date was a couple weekends ago on these. When dosing high however, the comedown of these can be quite rough (low abdominal pain, headache). I know these are widely in circulation, and was wondering what other people though about the effects of these.
 
I doubt atropine could be responsible.

I can't speak to the Shiva blotters but the blotters that raised the question originally in my mind were I believe from a similar point of origin at least geographically, but who really knows? There is no Better Business Bureau or market regulation :P
 
I wish people would stop passing off research chemicals as LSD.

Or that they would hopefully hypothetically say, "This is (insert RC name here), not LSD."

I think it's fine if people want to take RCs but I don't want to and I'd rather trip on acid instead of some RC.

When I was younger and first got into tripping you mainly got LSD even if it was weak/low dose, and the worst that would happen would be you get fake doses.

Because of RCs being passed off as LSD this is why myself and lots of people mainly eat mushrooms if we want to trip now.
 
I wouldn't overestimate the problem; most of what is sold as "LSD" genuinely is, provided it is obtained from a reasonable source... But other stuff is out there.
 
lysergic150 said:
Anyone had the Dutch blotters with shiva (or maybe its buddha) with his hand up, yellow border around every quarter sheet, and in red letters it says "psychedelic". Very strong stuff, but I strongly believe that this substance is a non-lsd ergoloid. As soon as the blotter hits the tongue, the first thing you can taste is perfume, or fruit loop cereal. Comparing this stuff to the WoW blotters of the US, these are more intense, euphoric, and mindfucking. My strongest trip to date was a couple weekends ago on these. When dosing high however, the comedown of these can be quite rough (low abdominal pain, headache). I know these are widely in circulation, and was wondering what other people though about the effects of these.
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Yeah i am lucky enough to have tried some of those...

Imho these are masterly laid blotters of pure lsd, nothing else! just a good dose... 1 for me is exactly what i want from acid :)

i was told they are white chrystal laid in a lab in amsterdam that uses a little note of parfume on the blotter to mark them - and i didn't get it from some guy but from a relative ;)

They are just good blotters, maybe the WoW you got were weak?

also i get no comedown of these, just beautiful, colourful afterglows...
 
When dosing one I don't notice a comedown, however when dosing 2 or more of these there were some side effects for me. Maybe that is just from the fact that 2 or 3 of these ones are a high dose and higher doses can be physically exhausting by the end at times. Buy yea the WoW I was getting was deffinitely weaker than these ones. I rarely find any WoW that feels like more than 100 mic per one hit. These ones however, i can drop one and get a full blown amd visual trip.
 
SKL said:
I doubt 20 mcg of atropine would do much.
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I am pretty sure that quote I quoted was ment to say 200 micrograms of scopolamine or atropine. And not 20.

Hyoscyamine could be added aswell, it´s more stimulating.
While scopolamine is more sedating.

Datura´s alkaloids ARE known to strongly potentiate serotonergic psychedelics at those doses. Hence the why shaman´s sometimes add it to ayahuasca (another obvious reason is that it combats nausea)

it´s quite plausible that it has been done, while certainly not being common.
 
freescale said:
I know I've had the real deal, liquid cooked up in a special yearly batch by some crazy chemist that had the electric taste & full-on effects profile & duration. But I suspect most of the blotter I've had over the years was one of the analogues. It explains that what seemed almost like two different drugs actually was two closely related but different drugs. This totally makes sense.
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this^

I am 99% convinced half the "LSD" out there and that I have done is some very very very similar analogue

whatever it is though, if true is still a very good drug just slightly different and not in terms of being stronger or weaker usually duration and some slight variance in minor effects

but by the nature of LSD its impossible to know for sure with out testing it could all be in my head or set / setting related but it sure seems to be the case
 
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My 2 cents, diethylamine is widely available. If a chemist can get the difficult precursors chances are they can procure the diethylamine with ease. If other analogues are showing up my guess is chemists are bored and figured they'd play around a bit.
 
kong you mean diethylamide, not diethylamine. The latter's the precursor.
Anyway, after not being around the scene for something like six years, i can definitely say now for sure that it's the same drug as it was back in the late 90s. Before that, I can't tell you, because my experience doesn't go back that far. But recent experience tells me that it still feels a lot like the shit they were calling LSD back then. Excellent, super 'clean' for whatever that's worth! Well worth the admission price!
 
Same here - my experience going back to the early 90s, including a fair amount of experience with some legendary microdots, which old-handers back THEN told me were comparable to 'Operation Julie' dots of the 70s, suggests that there is no significant difference between 'acid' now and decades ago.
This question comes up again and again on this forum and on others - and there is some very exhaustive investigation of the issue on Erowid - and ultimately all of the concrete scientific evidence, and all of the best-informed subjective evidence, tends to the view that there is no real difference between 2011 street acid and the stuff that got Hoffman high on bicycle day. I'm not saying I know better than anyone else that this is definitely true - but I do know that only the most subjective arguments in favour of the idea that 'acid' isn't acid retain any weight, because there is no objective evidence for it.

This is basically just more speculation on my part, but one issue that I think often leads people to think they are having 'some other drug' is dosage - acid is a drug that takes on qualitatively very different effects at different dosage thresholds (we all know this, don't we? A 200ug trip is not just like a 50ug trip but stronger...), and different people will experience these thresholds in quite different ways. So it's not only set and setting which will make a difference to the experience, but precise dosage. In practice this means that if you're used to dealing with blotters that hold, say, 50ug, but then you get a batch that are all does at, say, 80 ug, then it can be quite tricky to figure out how to replicate the dose that you are used to, and you can feel that you're experiencing some 'slightly different' drug.
I do have some very rough evidence for this just on the basis of my own observations over the years, but absolutely nothing that would be really definitive or accurate.
 
^ Dude read the post that started this thread. What that was tested and found to NOT be LSD but a close cousin was VERY widely distributed and heavily promoted as "real LSD" but it was in fact NOT. So there goes your theory.

Just the tip of the iceberg. Dont you think chemistry makes progress in 50 years? What reason is there to religiously believe that there must be one and only one psychedelic molecule that is similar to LSD? THAT viewpoint is what seems illogical and sentimental if you ask me.
 
I thought those test results were described as "inconclusive"? Not that inconclusive is a great thing either way, obviously... but hardly conclusive evidence of anything really. As far as people like Sit (and most others really) saying that subjectively they've noticed no difference, are they mistaken (tis only their subjective feelings, of course) or is this supposed LS? so similar to LSD itself that nobody much can tell them apart? If the latter then unless it's something toxic and generally dodgy that's obviously not good, but if it's as safe as LSD I almost don't see a problem (misrepresentation being the problem there would be however good the "replacement"). Maybe every PDer should donate one tab from their next batch for testing - if there really is any widespread LS? then surely it will show up on at least a few tests, no?
 
Not sure if this has been posted, but Wizard blotter being branded as 'LSD' will possibly fall into some peoples hands if they are careless where they look. This is in fact Bromo-DragonFLY, interesting psychedelic when it's known what it is but otherwise could lead to accidental overdose.
 
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