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Actually before checking this thread I started with a similar warning in the 3-MeO-PCP thread. And I just added one to the OP of this thread, slightly differently. I have experience with dissociatives including severe PCP-like types but not this particular one, so if you are still motivated help us out making the warnings as effective as possible. Please consider reactions / dosage suggestion etc other people posted about or suggested as well, not only your own response... all in all the most problematic reactions / experiences can be the most helpful to base our prevention on, those we want us all to avoid.
I would like to also have something added on the front page along the lines of 'methoxphenidine has shown a tendency to intoxicate users to different extents off of the same dosage level as previous dosages even in those tolerant to it and similar substances' 'methoxphenidine has shown a tendency to be metabolized very slowly and can greatly intoxicate someone who has not eaten properly while the same amount dosed on a full stomach may not hit as hard'. Something along those lines needs to be stressed. Plugging 100 mg didn't get me too far out there with a normal diet but on the otherhand I have went WAY out there with 100 mg oral on a different time with an empty stomach,
much further than the equivalent dose plugging.
I have toyed with the eating normally vs fasting and dosing and have found that the effects are
GREATLY potentiated when nothing much is eaten. This can manifest itself in very confusing situations by sneaking up on you and hitting you very hard ~6 hours (or more) in after eating the dose. I would say it is a very safe bet to say this stuff has a long half-life and is not metabolized very quickly. My suggestion to those who are thinking about giving this a go is to start low and only do it when you have
AT MINIMUM 1 day free
AFTER the first day of dosing. If you have weekends off want to do it, I would advise starting on Friday if possible and only redosing very late on that Friday or early on Saturday (once you are familiar with the duration, don't redose when first trying, this has been stated multiple times by many in this thread).
I have found through 3 different weekend experiments that 100 mg on Friday at midnight followed by 40 mg 18 hours later will make for a very nice Saturday and Sunday
FOR ME. I have also found that 100 on Friday followed by 50 mg 18 hours later then 50 mg 6 hours after that will carry on for 2-3 days from time of first effects. Dosing 100 mg initially and then doing 100 mg more 12 hours later will have about the same reaction although metabolism and diet will determine length and strength. I was going for about 4 days off of 100 mg initial dose at 6 PM on first day followed by 50 mg 10 hours later and then 40 mg 24 hours after the first dose. This was on an emptier than normal stomach for the weekend and I was intoxicated to varying degrees from about 2 and 1/2 hours from first dose until late 4 days later. Yes you read that right, I was feeling it from Friday all the way through Monday and probably a little into Tuesday. This is where I see potential for trouble for those who are not careful and don't clear their calendars.
I found myself intoxicated (but functional) in places that I did not want to be intoxicated at and had luck on my side in being able to handle things easily.
This was all with doses totaling less than 250 mg over the course of multiple days and I can say that I have a tolerance to MXE and amphetamine and hydrocodone and this stuff still managed to put me a little too far out despite said tolerances.
I have a suspicion that this stuff stays around in your system in fat and releases itself when you don't eat enough. Others have commented on its long duration and I know there has to be some explanation as to why it changes its effects profile so drastically even with 'familiar' dosages. I strongly caution those who want to research that to do so very gradually.
On a different note I did find a 'hole-like' state during the last trial of 100 mg initial dose followed by 50 mg 10 hours later and then 40 mg 24 hours after the first dose. This state manifested itself probably 36 hours from initial dose and and I was flirting with an out-of-body experience while laying in my bed. I would say I was 50% successful in getting myself OOB but I fell asleep before I could get more control over the feeling. I was very surprised by this as I had used a similar amount in a shorter timeframe before that experience and did not get this 'hole-like' state then. I would like to potentially revisit said state but I am going to have to try a few different ways to go about getting there as this stuff does not act the same way more than twice for me and even then those dosages can be felt completely differently than previous dosages of the same amount.
This stuff is very hard to pin down, I still like calling the state 'phaded' but it doesn't really have a consistent profile every use. Hopefully this is helpful to some, I am very glad for your work Solipsis, hopefully it will help out many as this stuff has potential for interesting times but also problematic times as well.
I would say it is best kept as a weekend only thing and I am hesitant to recommend dosing 2 weekends in a row as I think it lingers around.
