MrFister
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I really hope some official research goes into this chemical. It doesn't deserve to go down in a blaze of infamy
The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread: 8th dose, I can't sleep so why not?
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I'm thinking I'll stock up, casually go through my supply, and save a gram or two for future use. Think about it, having a few grams around would be nice. Dabble in it from time to time, maybe go to a big festival or an event, it'd be nice to have, like a special treat.
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Of course, but I'm just saying that you might regret only getting a couple of grams once you run out and find out that you can't obtain any. Sorry for forgetting, but are you from the US or UK?
P.S. Thanks for the PM. I wanted to reply to it but I can't due to my limit. Thanks for the advice and I respect your decision.
Do you think that dissociatives neurotoxicity can be worse than alcohol or other neurotoxic drugs with similar usage? According to this studies, ket not seems very safer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21886601
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19580862
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19126600
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16037171
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15718054
The gray matter reduction mentioned before:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21035788
And a more general dangers of ket:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168228/
I do not want to demonize this drug or class of drugs, trolling or something. Is truly my sincere interest for research and exchange opinions. Thanks!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21886601
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19580862
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19126600
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16037171
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15718054
The gray matter reduction mentioned before:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21035788
And a more general dangers of ket:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168228/
I do not want to demonize this drug or class of drugs, trolling or something. Is truly my sincere interest for research and exchange opinions. Thanks!
MrFister
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The first study referred to as 20 mg/kg injected six times as causing neuronal cell death, while all other doses did not. That is a SUBSTANTIAL amount of ketamine, for myself that would be at least 1.5 grams injected in one go. Six times? I would damn right expect brain damage, hell I'd have to be brain damaged to dose that much. Those studies seem to share a consensus that ketamine is relatively safe on its own, and within safe dosing regimens.
Antidepressant actions of dissociatives are just now starting to come into light, I really hope more research is performed into the benefits of these drugs.
Survived Abortion
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Really? How would you compare that to Yoga and meditation on psychedelics? I have yet to practice yoga asanas whilst tripping on either dissociatives or psyches, but I have done lots of meditating and pranayama with psychedelics, with incredible results.
missimoo
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-to-ban-legal-high-methoxetamine-7594037.html
so...when does it become illegal ? ....
so...when does it become illegal ? ....
Right now so flush what you have down the toilet
Seriously though, this article says in the forthcoming days....
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Legal-h...d-death-pair/story-15645495-detail/story.html
missimoo
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...so OUT OF ALL THE DODGEY "unknown" "branded" AND plain DANGEROUS CHEMICALS BEING USED AS "LEGAL HIGHS"
what is arguably the SAFEST is first to be banned.....never mind the rest.
OK! for harm reduction,
for long term storage, what would the best way to store MXE be without risking it turning into a different chemical (something dangerous) or deteriorating (weak...
the freezer, room temp, or what?
what is arguably the SAFEST is first to be banned.....never mind the rest.
OK! for harm reduction,
for long term storage, what would the best way to store MXE be without risking it turning into a different chemical (something dangerous) or deteriorating (weak...
the freezer, room temp, or what?
Jesusgreen
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What makes you label MXE the safest? There are many "RCs" out there that have a nice track record for safety in man, mostly in the form of RC psychedelics, I would put the dissociative RCs as some of the more harmful ones, as while there may not be a huge risk of direct overdose, they can have some nasty side-effects and seem to be quite unforgiving when abused over a long period of time. If we're just talking UK I'd personally say aMT is one of the safer ones since it has been around since the 60s with - iirc, only 2 recorded deaths attributed to it? That's a pretty fine safety track record imo.
I'm curious, are there any people here who use MXE purely as a stimulant, at sub-dissociative doses? I found it very effective for this as at those low doses it comes with none of the side-effects of traditional stimulants but yet keeps you awake, focused, and in a pleasant mood.
missimoo
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re: above
fair point, i didnt mean by far "safest",(did i type that..i meant by comparison to some not all ) it is without dangerous, i stand corrected, i was being flippant. but in comparison to SOME of the stuff out there i stand it SAFER then SOME. looking at the Ethalphenadrate (however you spell) thread, a lot of people are going crazy with this stim and getting psychotic, etc. 2mmp etc. nasty stuff.
but yes, it does have a number of dangers. amongst its postives. im just ANNOYED that its being banned :'(.
and RE: ABOVE: small doses, not enough to be in a dissociative state, is my fav dose. for the stim, a bit of bounce, confidence, chat etc is perfect as a social drug compared to stimulants which make me anxious, or alcohol, that makes peole arseholes (in general)...for me the perfect dose might be equive to a 150mg DXM...a slightly dissasociative state. but able to function without an difficulties..and the stimulant/euphoria. but with my tollerance..i still have to take a big dose to remain at this level. but most of the time when i use i am aiming for a the -sub dissocaiative, wonky but stim effect (if that makes sense)
RE: storing MXE for a long period. DRY, dark and COOL...how cool, in a shade, or a fridge.... ?
im curious to see if a underground market for this will emerge like mcat ...i suspect not as K is so popular to those that dable in the illegal (i dont i only stick to legals, but im sure i would for this if it became a black market drug)
also will be interesting to see on this thread if any long term withdrawls start to emerge amongst us regular users. so far during periods without it extended or not, i havnt had any..but i havnt had a permanent break since it was on the market.
fair point, i didnt mean by far "safest",(did i type that..i meant by comparison to some not all ) it is without dangerous, i stand corrected, i was being flippant. but in comparison to SOME of the stuff out there i stand it SAFER then SOME. looking at the Ethalphenadrate (however you spell) thread, a lot of people are going crazy with this stim and getting psychotic, etc. 2mmp etc. nasty stuff.
but yes, it does have a number of dangers. amongst its postives. im just ANNOYED that its being banned :'(.
and RE: ABOVE: small doses, not enough to be in a dissociative state, is my fav dose. for the stim, a bit of bounce, confidence, chat etc is perfect as a social drug compared to stimulants which make me anxious, or alcohol, that makes peole arseholes (in general)...for me the perfect dose might be equive to a 150mg DXM...a slightly dissasociative state. but able to function without an difficulties..and the stimulant/euphoria. but with my tollerance..i still have to take a big dose to remain at this level. but most of the time when i use i am aiming for a the -sub dissocaiative, wonky but stim effect (if that makes sense)
RE: storing MXE for a long period. DRY, dark and COOL...how cool, in a shade, or a fridge.... ?
im curious to see if a underground market for this will emerge like mcat ...i suspect not as K is so popular to those that dable in the illegal (i dont i only stick to legals, but im sure i would for this if it became a black market drug)
also will be interesting to see on this thread if any long term withdrawls start to emerge amongst us regular users. so far during periods without it extended or not, i havnt had any..but i havnt had a permanent break since it was on the market.
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missimoo
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...side note. any bad mix, or worry with taking Propranolol (beta blocker) and MXE? (at a low dose)...i thought maybe it might "knock the edge off" ? (or be a really bad idea...one or the other, but id like a opinion before i try it)
escape20
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That might work...also benzo's take the edge off completely.
Btw, it really sucks that this stuff is about to become illegal in the UK, how long does it usually take the US to ban something after the UK? Hopefully, we still have a few months left to stock up.
missimoo
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badtimes. MXE made me fall in love with Disassociates ..i had taken DXM a few times before MXE appeared on the market, that was a taster, but it's a bit "scungy" not for me..doesn't have the magic MXE had.
I'm wondering how long the anti depressant effects will last now its gone. So many people have said "it cured my depression" etc....I would like to think its permanent, but I imagine not. BOO to the government ...reading the reasons for the ban i did giggle at "loss of co-ordination" being a reason to ban something...i mean..its not like 6 pints doesnt make you fall over.... (but the rised blood pressure etc is worrying, i give them that)
and the so called MXE deaths reported (or used as an excuse for the ban) of two students who died on MXE because they jumped in a pond and drowned. they were pissed as well..im sorry if your the type of person (student) who is likely to get drunk in cold british weather and jump in a random pond. i see it as part of survival of the fittest. "darwin, where are you?"..ffs. they were idiots. i doubt for one min that MXE made them want to jump (drunk and drugged up) into a freezing pond...they were just idiots. admit it.
its like the old "LSD makes you think you can fly and you will jump off a building and die"....right... ive taken LSD, ive been to a lot of places where people were on LSD and the number of people that have said to me "i think i can fly...im gonna jump off this building" and died...is ZERO.
ZERO being the chance that this 12 month max temporary ban will be temporary. guesses for what class it will be when its banned properly? C,B,A... ? I would put it next to K but with the added worry of high blood pressure etc, i would expect they would classify it as more dangerous then K on that alone...so maybe a class B...even A....lets all move somewhere civalized like portugal.
#sulks
#NotInAGoodMood.
I'm wondering how long the anti depressant effects will last now its gone. So many people have said "it cured my depression" etc....I would like to think its permanent, but I imagine not. BOO to the government ...reading the reasons for the ban i did giggle at "loss of co-ordination" being a reason to ban something...i mean..its not like 6 pints doesnt make you fall over.... (but the rised blood pressure etc is worrying, i give them that)
and the so called MXE deaths reported (or used as an excuse for the ban) of two students who died on MXE because they jumped in a pond and drowned. they were pissed as well..im sorry if your the type of person (student) who is likely to get drunk in cold british weather and jump in a random pond. i see it as part of survival of the fittest. "darwin, where are you?"..ffs. they were idiots. i doubt for one min that MXE made them want to jump (drunk and drugged up) into a freezing pond...they were just idiots. admit it.
its like the old "LSD makes you think you can fly and you will jump off a building and die"....right... ive taken LSD, ive been to a lot of places where people were on LSD and the number of people that have said to me "i think i can fly...im gonna jump off this building" and died...is ZERO.
ZERO being the chance that this 12 month max temporary ban will be temporary. guesses for what class it will be when its banned properly? C,B,A... ? I would put it next to K but with the added worry of high blood pressure etc, i would expect they would classify it as more dangerous then K on that alone...so maybe a class B...even A....lets all move somewhere civalized like portugal.
#sulks
#NotInAGoodMood.
BruceLeeSwag
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Write to your local MP and ask them to reconsider.
foolsgold
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sorry but this has just helpped screwed us all over a little more tonight
Speaker's wife Sally Bercow has said the Government's plans to ban a so-called legal high made her tempted to try it before it was too late.
Mexxy, which is sold as an alternative to ketamine and has been linked to two deaths, will be banned within days while the Government's drugs advisers consider whether it should be permanently controlled.
Mrs Bercow assured her more than 45,000 followers on Twitter she would not actually buy any, but admitted she was tempted and "now obsessed with the stuff, despite never having heard of it 1/2 hr ago".
"Am I the only one now slightly tempted to try mexxy before it becomes illegal? I won't, obvs," she wrote.
Later, she added: "Oh, the mexxy ban is only 'temporary'. What's that all about? (Am now obsessed with the stuff, despite never having heard of it 1/2 hr ago)."
The high-profile wife of Commons Speaker John Bercow made the comments less than two hours after the temporary ban, which will last for up to 12 months, was announced by the Home Office.
It follows concerns that two people whose bodies were found in Leicestershire in February may have taken some form of the drug after buying it over the internet.
Police warned people not to take mexxy, which was advertised and sold as a safe alternative to the class C drug ketamine, after the bodies of a 59-year-old woman and a 32-year-old man were found in Leicester and Melton Mowbray on February 11 and 12 respectively.
Under the new temporary banning order, anyone caught making, supplying or importing mexxy, or methoxetamine, will face up to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, the Home Office said.
Crime Prevention Minister Lord Henley said: "Making this drug illegal sends a clear message to users and those making and supplying it that we are stepping up our fight against substances which are dangerous and ruin the lives of victims and their families."
attention seeking bitch has just sunk us and rc
Speaker's wife Sally Bercow has said the Government's plans to ban a so-called legal high made her tempted to try it before it was too late.
Mexxy, which is sold as an alternative to ketamine and has been linked to two deaths, will be banned within days while the Government's drugs advisers consider whether it should be permanently controlled.
Mrs Bercow assured her more than 45,000 followers on Twitter she would not actually buy any, but admitted she was tempted and "now obsessed with the stuff, despite never having heard of it 1/2 hr ago".
"Am I the only one now slightly tempted to try mexxy before it becomes illegal? I won't, obvs," she wrote.
Later, she added: "Oh, the mexxy ban is only 'temporary'. What's that all about? (Am now obsessed with the stuff, despite never having heard of it 1/2 hr ago)."
The high-profile wife of Commons Speaker John Bercow made the comments less than two hours after the temporary ban, which will last for up to 12 months, was announced by the Home Office.
It follows concerns that two people whose bodies were found in Leicestershire in February may have taken some form of the drug after buying it over the internet.
Police warned people not to take mexxy, which was advertised and sold as a safe alternative to the class C drug ketamine, after the bodies of a 59-year-old woman and a 32-year-old man were found in Leicester and Melton Mowbray on February 11 and 12 respectively.
Under the new temporary banning order, anyone caught making, supplying or importing mexxy, or methoxetamine, will face up to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, the Home Office said.
Crime Prevention Minister Lord Henley said: "Making this drug illegal sends a clear message to users and those making and supplying it that we are stepping up our fight against substances which are dangerous and ruin the lives of victims and their families."
attention seeking bitch has just sunk us and rc
escape20
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This is a sad day indeed but remember people there always new amazing RC's being created so when one gets banned their will likely be another great one to follow. With that said I love MXE and it will be a very sad day when it gets banned in the USA. I think it's good advice to write or petition to the MP about the amazing medical potential of this drug. Let them know how well it works for depression, pain, anxiety, and who knows what else. The people that died on this also took too much alcohol and were just not smart about their MXE use. Stock up people, stock up.
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