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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 6th Dose (now you've gone and used it all up)

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Not to sound rude guys, but I'm a she not a he. Lol.
But anyway, I think you are all right, I vaguely remember the doctors asking a lot of questions about whether I had a lot to drink. I don't think they explained it properly to me what made me collapse, but talking to you all on here and reading your experiences have really made me realise what exactly happened to me.
I have a slight problem, I've told my close friends that I took a lot of mxe but I told my boyfriend I took ketamine and got my drink spiked. I don't want to tell him though because his friend died from mxe overdose and I don't want to worry him. I know my friends won't tell him, kind of feel guilty though that he doesn't know the truth. (I know this is a drug related thread, but still...)
Anyway, I have got in contact with a drugs councillor near where I live so hopefully this should help me.
I really wish there was more information about MXE in the media and the media would do a news story about it to warn people that don't go on the internet and research the drug before taking it (which I did, but will not be making that mistake again) or strongly advise people to research the drug before trying. But some people just won't listen and it's so frustrating knowing people will do what I have done and unfortunately like my boyfriends friend, they may end up dead.
 
beeks18 said:
I really wish there was more information about MXE in the media and the media would do a news story about it to warn people that don't go on the internet and research the drug before taking it (which I did, but will not be making that mistake again) or strongly advise people to research the drug before trying. But some people just won't listen and it's so frustrating knowing people will do what I have done and unfortunately like my boyfriends friend, they may end up dead.
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im so surprised this stuff hasn't been mentioned in the media yet, such a strong, messy drug, mephedrone was in the media pretty quickly.. ive heard no mention of this. strange
 
I think they just are completely oblivious to it. :/ but there are so many stories about people dying/collapsing/it being the drug of choice...
It really is very strange. It's a very dangerous drug also, I'm considering writing something about it to someone.. Is this a good idea??
 
At the risk of looking lazy - since google could easily answer the following question - how does one die on MXE?

Overdose, obviously. What I mean is - what are the mechanisms?
 
I've googled MXE too and it failed to answer any of my questions about what are the after effects of MXE...
I just think there needs to be a lot of research done on this drug.

@ oxmo without sounding like an idiot I don't really understand the question, so can't really answer it. Sorry! Hopefully someone who is more clever can answer for you.
 
You hardly sound like an idiot. I myself barely understand a fraction of what my question entails. It's just that I've read through the forums and I'm convinced that a significant minority here are highly educated in areas like chemistry, biology and different branches of neuroscience... and that these posters can be called upon like psychonaut wizards in lab coats to answer our questions. Particularly when it comes to damage reduction.
Wishful thinking, yeah, but there's so much talk of GABA receptors etc. floating around that you can't blame me for getting the impression that everyone here is an expert.

My question is: how exactly can MXE affect the body in such a way as to precipitate death?
 
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We still don't know the whole story of MXE's effect profile. There is definitely some NMDA antagonism, likely some dopamine reuptake inhibition, possibly some opioid effects (perhaps of the O-desmethyl metabolite) and a whole host of cascade effects that might cause fatal respiratory depression in one individual while no problems in the next.

Many people report cardiac issues (elevated heart rate, increased blood pressure) which are always warning signs.

As is the case with any general anesthetic, if the user becomes unconscious in a compromised position or aspirates vomit, then simply being "holed out" is enough to cause death. Note the case a few weeks back where one user complained of a completely numb (nerve damaged) arm after an MXE session. May have been due to laying on it wrong, but that's the fact.

Always have a sitter, folks!
 
(whoa many gamers in here ;p anyone play wow? low dose MXE turns me into a PvP god, i keep owning people left and right in BGs, i cant believe myself)

EDIT: anyway, to add something meaningful - i found this compound absolutely amazing. i ain't really into this whole 'holing' thing (i experienced it once, the first time, and while it was interesting i see little point in repeating) but low doses are just absolutely freakin' ridiculously awesome for social settings. slightly higher dose for watching movie/games. 40mg is absolute maximum for me, as this is the highest dose i retain full control (well, sorta ;p) over my body, anything higher then that will 'impair' me, which i don't like.

i also love how it makes you motivated to do worthwhile stuff and actually gives you good ideas you don't find stupid after you sober up (as with every other fuckin' drug). and this afterglow lasting for 2 days i just unbelievable for me. amazing.

EDIT2: mixing - imo mixing this thing with alcohol is completely pointless, it only made me act retarded and didn't add nothing positive to the experience. big no-no from me.

the first time i took some etizomal (2x 1mg) as i was afraid i might panic coz i didn't know what to expect but since MXE removes any sort of anxiety on its own, that was pointless as well ;p i still use etizomal for comedowns if i want to fall asleep fast.

for now, i don't have any intentions of mixing MXE with anything.

and as been said before: respect MXE, don't abuse it and you will be great friends.

thanx for reading people, stay safe ;p
 
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anyone find smoking weed on an afterglow eliminates the anxiety and makes the weed effect more motivated
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I've found that smoking weed at anytime during the comedown puts me in a much more sober and anxious state. It completely eliminates the awesome floaty MXE headspace. Some weed an hour or so after I've completely come down is really nice, but I don't like the way the highs mix (or rather, don't)

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I think they just are completely oblivious to it. :/ but there are so many stories about people dying/collapsing/it being the drug of choice...
It really is very strange. It's a very dangerous drug also, I'm considering writing something about it to someone.. Is this a good idea??
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I would consider this to be a very bad idea IMO. MXE alone is very forgiving on the body, fatal overdoses are incredibly unlikely and even large "holy fuck I'm not even in this reality" doses rarely cause collapse blackouts. In fact, I've only heard of one confirmed death from MXE being mixed with MDAI intravenously in large doses of each. Judgement can be severely impaired, but I've never heard of anyone having a psychotic break on the level that say pcp or even DXM cause semi-regularly (I.E. suicide attempts, jumping out windows, walking in the middle of traffic etc.). Alerting the media would almost certainly put MXE under negative light. At least in order for most people to hear about MXE they have to go to drug forums and research a bit, but kids can hear MXE-the crazy new drug sweeping the nation-on the news, google a vendor and start OD'ing left and right. Not only would successfully alerting the media fail to lead to warnings about moderation or real dangers, it would spread knowledge of the drug to the undereducated and likely quicken the inevitable ban on what many, myself included, would call their favorite substance.

Basically, the media is sensationalist and rarely does adequate research, they'd only make things worse, And MXE has thus far proven to be fairly safe. Keep the knowledge to the substance readily available to those that plan to use and warn people of your own bad experiences, but don't go calling unnecessary attention. It's just a plain bad idea with RC's. My 2 cents
 
beeks18 said:
Not to sound rude guys, but I'm a she not a he. Lol.
But anyway, I think you are all right, I vaguely remember the doctors asking a lot of questions about whether I had a lot to drink. I don't think they explained it properly to me what made me collapse, but talking to you all on here and reading your experiences have really made me realise what exactly happened to me.
I have a slight problem, I've told my close friends that I took a lot of mxe but I told my boyfriend I took ketamine and got my drink spiked. I don't want to tell him though because his friend died from mxe overdose and I don't want to worry him. I know my friends won't tell him, kind of feel guilty though that he doesn't know the truth. (I know this is a drug related thread, but still...)
Anyway, I have got in contact with a drugs councillor near where I live so hopefully this should help me.
I really wish there was more information about MXE in the media and the media would do a news story about it to warn people that don't go on the internet and research the drug before taking it (which I did, but will not be making that mistake again) or strongly advise people to research the drug before trying. But some people just won't listen and it's so frustrating knowing people will do what I have done and unfortunately like my boyfriends friend, they may end up dead.
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not to be rude, but you sound like EXACTLY the type of person who should not be using drugs, and will ruin it for the rest of us. 8(
 
beeks18 said:
It's a very dangerous drug also, I'm considering writing something about it to someone.. Is this a good idea??
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you did something incredibly stupid and irresponsible while being under influence of alcohol and now you wanna make a fuzz about it? i don't mean to be rude either, but... what the fuck? ;/
 
Okay, I'm going to chime in here, without any disrespect to anyone.

beeks18, what you did was very irresponsible and dangerous. While Methoxetamine is unresearched, there has only been one recorded death - where a large amount was injected along with an injected dose of MDAI that alone may have been enough to kill. That for one suggests your boyfriend is either spreading a rumour - or is automatically assuming their friend overdosed on MXE without a toxicology report, as it would be in the media very fast if it was confirmed.

The fact is, MXE is a lot more potent than Ketamine, if you're taking half a gram in a go, that's like taking 1.5+ grams of Ketamine in one go, and I know from experience even 1g with an extremely high tolerance is dangerous. You were already being reckless, but then you further worsened the situation by adding alcohol, that was incredibly irresponsible, and the danger you put yourself in was your own fault, not the fault of the drug.

The thing is, everyone is human, and makes mistakes - but if you make this kind of mistake you should put the blame in the correct place, on yourself, rather than the drug. If you took a regular dose, didn't mix it with anything, and had this kind of reaction, then yes that would be a huge cause for concern. However, you didn't - you took an insanely high dose and then combined it with another dangerous drug. I have yet to see anyone having problems with MXE when taking responsible doses, and the fact that there has only been one reported death - which was a combination, suggests that at regular doses this is a relatively safe drug, given that there are thousands of people using it already.

I don't think writing to the media would be a very good idea. As you're probably aware, prohibition causes increases in use, adulterated products, inability for addicts to get treatment - and generally makes using most drugs a lot more dangerous than they would be/already are.

The key here is to not take recklessly high doses of any drug, researched or not - and not to combine it with large amounts of another drug. It's quite plausible that MXE causes respiratory depression at higher doses - so combining a large dose with a large amount of alcohol, which is also a respiratory depressant, could be fatal. Just because something is generally safe doesn't mean it'll be safe when you decide to abuse it like this. Be careful, please.
 
There seems to be a very real afterglow to MXE.

It's the day after my first use, and I feel very good: energetic, positive, and full of a desire to be productive... with not even a tinge of 'artificiality' to it.

The antidepressant-like effects cited by other bluelighters appear to be true.

For me, at least.
 
^ I don't find the afterglow from this one to be quite as "positive and happy" as the Ketamine afterglow, but it's stimulating instead which does allow me to be more productive. It's also much longer lasting which is nice. The only downside is if I redose several times my afterglow is often a little too stimulating for me personally and I'm quite jittery if I'm sitting down at my pc.
 
MXE and responsibility: a short story

(this is a response to all the people who did dumbass shit with MXE, I ain't trying to insult no one, just presenting an alternative PoV, I believe this a beautiful compound and as it's starting to get some negative press lately I feel obliged to defend it ;))

So there I was, sitting in my bedroom playing video games, stoned as fuck on a very high dose on MXE (~40mg, yes that is pretty extreme for me as I have 0 tolerance still) when decided to go out for a smoke. So I go outside to my garden - pitch dark, FREEZING cold, crazy wind blowing, all that shit. I looked around and I thought - this is magic, sheer beauty, I feel wonderful, AND I have a whole bag of MXE in my drawer, this is going to be a beatiful week.

And then it fucking hit me: "NO! I can't fucking do this, I need to save it, saviour it, this thing can help me, it IS helping me with my life; I keep using like this, I'll fuck it all up, get addicted, OD or god knows what."

But I know myself well enough, I knew if it's right there in my drawer I won't be able to help myself. And then the simplest of ideas occured to me: "Hey asshole, give it Joey (name made up ;p) for safekeeping, you don't NEED this every day. You'll be totally fine only having it occasionly."

And guess what, next morning I called him and told him what's up. He said sure, no problemo (although he was kinda suprised ;p).

That was 2 days ago, the bag is hidden somewhere in his place (he's a non-user, it's hidden from his girldfriend), I still feel fucking awesome and I think this was probably the best idea I've ever had. An idea that occured to me WHILE BEING ON THE MOTHEREFFIN' D-R-U-G-S. Go figure. ;)

Thanks for reading, RESPECT MXE, don't be stupid and stay safe.
 
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please people, do a world a freakin' favour and STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM DRUGS IF YOU'RE DRUNK. and try not to mix shit AT ALL unless you're absolutely sure what you're doing.
 
Just so you know this should be in the Big & Dandy MXE thread. Me or someone else will merge it at some point, but since you're a new user it's common courtesy to let you respond before we move it (unless of course you disappear, in which case it'll eventually get moved, with a redirect left behind). I'd also advise you to tone down on the swearing - we tolerate swearing on BL as long as it's not in excess, but be careful :)

It is a shame that some people are abusing this and giving it a bad reputation already, but it is a fairly moreish and addictive drug so I can understand how it happens. The key is always to stay cautious, avoid dosing too high, avoiding building up a tolerance, and avoid nasty combos :)
 
Well, if it's anything like Ket (silly anecdote), then no wonder people will run through an entire stash. When I found how lovely it was to be on k all the time, I just happily did so. Up to a gram per day. Once the "I need another bump/line" feeling fades, it's much easier to push away.
 
i have a question regarding the way you feel MXE has affected your nose if you use it that way.

i have used mxe about 7-9 seesions altogether with 2 month gaps inbetween, but only recently it has started to hurt my nose after a binge (1g over 3-5 days). When i was addicted to ketamine a few years back, snorting that frequently, i felt a similar burning after use, but this was after many months of continual use. as far as i remember, the mxe lines i snorted were never even that big.

It feels kind of like when you have a cold and sold mucus sticks to the lining of your nose, and can be painful at times. When you try to pick at the sticky bloody booger it hurts.

recently it seems to be healing, after a good nights sleep for instance. but it felt like it was melting cartalidge in my nose.

has anyone had similar expiriences regarding MXE, what may cause it, is it a sinus infection? and how to avoid it in the future if i decide to continue use?
 
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