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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

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Interesting. I got visual distortions on 15mg sublingual. Admittedly I've given my NMDA antagonist tolerance a long break so my tolerance is pretty low, but still, that does seem weird.

Have you experimented with lower doses? Maybe at higher doses the side-effects are outweighing the benefits for you and that's why you're not getting where you want to be. I think a low dose was very pleasant for me, even if it wasn't very dissociating - so at the very least I wouldn't think you'd be frustrated that way, plus you'd use a lot less :)
 
I just realized I haven't taken any mxe or k in a month... might eat some mushrooms right now tho... I haven't done anything in about a month or more cept smoke herb and did a line of blow a couple weeks ago... I've been fairly drug free lately... its kinda nice nowdays... back in the day it was torture lol
 
yesterday i again didn´t get where i wanted to be.
i plugged 3x20mg over the course of 3 hours and just got a little bit of body stretching, folding, moving etc. when laying down with music and lights out. but still nothing on the visual side.

does anyone get that sweet taste in the mouth after a while?
i don´t mean that the mxe tastes sweet....
just after a while i have a real nice and sweet taste in my mouth. even when plugged.

and would you think that opioid tolerance can reduce the euphoria?
and that the people that don´t get euphoria and find mxe to be cold are just tolerant to opioids?
i know that the opioid activity is in question. but that could be an explanation.

i only get a good dopamin moodlift after a few hours of redosing. the first two hours are always kinda cold for me.

oh and the lovely afterglow. :)
 
Have you tried snorting? I have a snorting fetish so I usually snort everything that can be snorted. A high dose snorted will kick you hard, the onset is much faster than with sublingual. Sublingual is equally effective but the onset is much more gradual. 60mg+ snorted always gives me a fast onset that kicks quite hard, when it hits me I always for a moment get totally lost and have to "reorganize" myself (who I am, where I am etc) before I can start enjoying the trip.

But it's all up to personal preference. Some people like a more smooth and gradual onset.

I used to be pretty into cocaine, snorting something that is as "moreish" as MXE seems like a bad idea for me. I really wanted to snort the second dose yesterday, but I have a feeling I might not be able to stop after that :-).

I get soooo impatient waiting for things to come on too, so snorting would be nice, but it just seems like a bad idea.
 
Interesting. I got visual distortions on 15mg sublingual. Admittedly I've given my NMDA antagonist tolerance a long break so my tolerance is pretty low, but still, that does seem weird.

Have you experimented with lower doses? Maybe at higher doses the side-effects are outweighing the benefits for you and that's why you're not getting where you want to be. I think a low dose was very pleasant for me, even if it wasn't very dissociating - so at the very least I wouldn't think you'd be frustrated that way, plus you'd use a lot less :)

This was my second time, the first time I took 25mg sublingual, followed by another 25mg rectal about two hours later. I would say MAYBE colors seemed a little brighter, but that's about it. I have no real desire to experiment with lower doses. I used to be (still am, just don't drink) a pretty bad alcholic, and it just reminds me of being drunk/on opiates too much. Not really something I feel the need to do just for the hell of it.

Also, I should have no tolerance, unless it is a natural one? The only drug I have used for about two years is marijuana, with maybe .5mg xanax three or four times a month as a sleep aid.

Honestly, I was made aware of MXE about a month back while persuing the Trip Report forum. I had been wanting a mushroom trip or something simliar, and MXE seemed worth trying. My only real goal is to "hole", and if I can't do that with this next time, I will probably trash the ~.5g I will have left or try and trade it with someone.
 
This was my second time, the first time I took 25mg sublingual, followed by another 25mg rectal about two hours later. I would say MAYBE colors seemed a little brighter, but that's about it. I have no real desire to experiment with lower doses. I used to be (still am, just don't drink) a pretty bad alcholic, and it just reminds me of being drunk/on opiates too much. Not really something I feel the need to do just for the hell of it.

Also, I should have no tolerance, unless it is a natural one? The only drug I have used for about two years is marijuana, with maybe .5mg xanax three or four times a month as a sleep aid.

Honestly, I was made aware of MXE about a month back while persuing the Trip Report forum. I had been wanting a mushroom trip or something simliar, and MXE seemed worth trying. My only real goal is to "hole", and if I can't do that with this next time, I will probably trash the ~.5g I will have left or try and trade it with someone.

Whoa, dont abuse drugs.

I feel great!
 
I'd wait before your next experiment then and consult with some people who have managed to "hole" with this stuff. Better than wasting more if you don't enjoy the experience - and certainly better than throwing it all away :)

I've heard that while this is a lot more potent than Ketamine, to actually hole you need to take quite a large amount, quite close to the equivalent dose of Ketamine - probably once again because of the stimulation and such. As I said though, it would be best to ask someone who has already achieved this, as you don't want to unnecessarily increase your dose too much. Also I think for best effects you should take a larger dose at once, rather than two smaller doses.
 
I think that's kinda lame they took my link down. That site, while it does contain info about vendors, they do it in the name of harm reduction. Maybe it doesn't belong here, but access to that sort of info does. I know the MXE I got my first try was probably dishwasher detergent or something even better. I spent hours trying to find a legit place like that, and I'm glad I did. Might have IMed that shit and fell out, but whatever.

I am interested in helping people this side of the Atlantic not get ripped off/hurt/abscesses. There's not exactly the most savory types running the places that ship "Plant food" to the United States. Counterproductive and probably done by a Brit.

But if I can lend any advice: check out the vendor websites on safeorscam.com before purchasing anything. Avoid the UK. Its a shit show. Netherlands may take longer to receive stuff from, but it is much safer. Snail Mail is your friend too. Be patient.
 
I thought I was familiar with this substance, but I was wrong. I earlier today wrote about my miserable experience with 115 mg last night. Now 30 mg (from the same batch) feels warm, lovely, cozy and welcoming. Just like it always does at this dose. Last night must have been some strange anomaly, I've never experienced anything like it.
 
I thought I was familiar with this substance, but I was wrong. I earlier today wrote about my miserable experience with 115 mg last night. Now 30 mg (from the same batch) feels warm, lovely, cozy and welcoming. Just like it always does at this dose. Last night must have been some strange anomaly, I've never experienced anything like it.

MXE has many faces.... Glad your enjoying it now :)
 
It probably is there all the time, I do recall a slight hiss in perfect silence even as a child, it's just that it seems to have gotten permanently louder for me. There was a discussion in this thread already (but it was easy to miss because of how fast the thread is growing). I used MXE on and off for nine months before the tinnitus finally set in permanently, so it's not a matter of simply becoming aware of it. It gets louder during the trip, but had always faded to inaudibility before. Now it gets much louder during a trip, and doesn't fade all the way away afterwards. There seems to be innumerable drugs/conditions associated with acquiring tinnitus, so maybe it wasn't the MXE at all. Individual susceptibility to various tinnitus causing drugs seems to vary radically. Since the only other person in this thread who had experienced persistent tinnitus after MXE use discovered it was due to an ear infection, even if my tinnitus does owe to MXE use I wouldn't say MXE is especially likely to cause permanent tinnitus in the average user. It's just that it clearly does cause temporary tinnitus in many, including me, and so I think it's the most likely source of my own seemingly permanent tinnitus, too.

I'm trying the "Tinnitus Tamer" audio software to see if it stops or lessens the sound. It might be worth a shot for anyone else who's got it, IDK.

Psood0nym, can you describe the nature of the sound you are hearing? Does it manifest itself in other ways, such as visual or other sensory overlap? Also, does it increase when you are taking a shit, or when mentally and physcially exciting thoughts enter you mind? I have tinnitus, but in my case it wasn't caused by MXE. The background noise that I am hearing was exacerbated by 5-HT psychedelic use.

It seems the 5-HT psychedelics cause a temporary auditory phenonmenon that goes hand in hand with the visual and mental phenomenon, and which can develop in to a semi-permanent state with frequent high dose tripping. It seems to be the auditory counterpart to the visual phenomenon which people report as "HPPD". Ever since some intense experiences last year with some of the 2Cs - in combination with cold-turkeying from a long-term diazepam habit - I have had an omnipresent aural signature which I would describe as sounding like a "digital jungle" in high pitch. This has changed in character somewhat over the course of this year, and is much quieter than it was when I came off the diazepam, but it increases in loudness when I am coming up on a psychedelic. When I am peaking it is overtaken by the auditory phenomenon of the experience.

I can hear the sound now as I sit at my (loud) computer typing this, yet it is not caused by the sounds of the electrics or mechanics in the machine. I can hear it equally if I am taking a shit in my quiet bathroom, or anywhere else where there is a relatively low noise floor.

It also feels like a perfectly natural sound, as if it is meant to be there. It sounds like an intergral part of reality that my brain had tuned out before I was re-awakened to it. I feel there is probably an infinite spectrum of these frequencies, available to all senses, but our brains act like a bandpass filter on a synthesizer such as to focus on just the frequencies that our senses need to pickup in order to construct a reality that enables us to survive and reproduce.

When I am tripping on a very heavy dose of a phenethylamine, I can feel the sound ramp up in intensity and it becomes almost synaesthetic in it's texture. The sound sweeps through my psyche and it feels very healing. I can feel the very same frequencies and harmonics resonating through my body. When this happens I know I am on the way to profound ego-dissolution in the peak.

Although I found ketamine to sometimes cause a swell of tinnitus on the comeup, with intense 'hole' doses, I have yet to experience an increase in tinnitus with MXE, but I have only used it twice. Again, it accompanies the very sensation of falling in to the trip and merges with that sensation, in a sense.
 
I agree with this. Being sober after using MXE often, my heart will out of nowhere start to pound fast and hard. I think I'm gonna take a month or 2 off from this stuff. I really am starting to get sick of the stimulation, the whole reason I started taking it was for a mellow high, which seems hit or miss nowadays. There seems to be a lot of talk lately about different isomers, and the different effects you get.

How much/ how often were you using?
 
I notice at certain times on high dose k or mxe that my tinnitus shifts... my ears become peaceful and I get a buzzing in my body or vision or taste or something...

Interesting, I think the same thing may have happened for me, as I often suffer from tinnitus (sometimes it quietens by itself thankfully) and I didn't notice it at all last night on MXE.

I'll have to take note of if it's there or not next time I dose since I wasn't really taking note of the more subtle effects like that.
 
some people speculate that tinnitus arising from noise-induced hearing loss is akin to phantom limb pain.

additionally there is a pharmalogical tinnitus treatment called Neramexane that is an NMDAr antagonist and is in phase III FDA trials
 
additionally there is a pharmalogical tinnitus treatment called Neramexane that is an NMDAr antagonist and is in phase III FDA trials

This has my interest peaked. I'm going to do a little reading when I get back on in the morning. :)

On an unrelated note, I found at the low dose I took MXE at, the opiate effects and stimulation seemed to outweigh the dissociation substantially, though this is possible also due to me having zero opiate tolerance. I was wondering at what dose (sublingual) do you guys find the dissociation starts to outweigh the other effects? That way I have somewhat of a firm line to avoid crossing over in either direction depending on whether I want to be all wobbly and messy or simply full of bliss and calm :)
 
some people speculate that tinnitus arising from noise-induced hearing loss is akin to phantom limb pain.

additionally there is a pharmalogical tinnitus treatment called Neramexane that is an NMDAr antagonist and is in phase III FDA trials

That's kind of intriguing. The inventor of methoxetamine partly did so because it completely eradicated his phantom limb pain IIRC from the interview.

And personally I've found that MXE can induce unbearably intrusive tinnitus at high enough doses. I think some people even reckon it's carried over to when they're sober to an extent.


Perhaps there's more than one way to get tinnitus. It seems odd that MXE can both alleviate tinnitus and induce it in equal measure.
 
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