The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 4th Dose (don't overdose)

[Delsyd]

whoa, i had my first exremely deep experience with MXE yesterday.

I thought i had experienced how deep this stuff goes but yesterday was similar to my first time IMing ketamine, and i did a 1/4g then.

I havent used any MXE in a month or a month and a half and whipped it out for the DarK Star show on friday. Using on friday kind of got my fiend on (i find dissociatives to be the most addictive substance there is) so i decided to indulge on saturday afternoon, when my gf went to work.

I feel rather confident with the stuff so ive stopped measuring my doses usually and just do bumps. Because generally it doesnt take me very deep.
I find it very euphoric and stimulating. It loosens inhibitions and is basically the best party drug ive ever had.
My intention was just to get a little high and feeling nice, which this stuff is excellent at in doses of 100mg or less. Id watch a movie or listen to some music and just relax the day away.

I start with a bump and for some reason decide to redose shortly afterwads thinking its not hitting me as hard as id like it (not using for a while had me forget it takes more than an hour to peak). After that second bump i start tripping rather nice and i have no idea what compelled me but i did a third bump. Thats when things got a little hectic. But the mania was convincing me to keep taking more. i think i did a total of 5 bumps, but im not sure. It was 3 or more but its a little hard to remember the exact number.
After looking at my bag once i came down there was a significant amount missing. im guessing more than 300mg was used.

The trip was amazing. Im just at a loss of words to describe it.
Im going to write down the bits and pieces of what i remember and try to compse a trip out of that soon.
Today im still feeling some of the lingering effects of it and its been more than 24 hours since i doses.

MXE is pretty amazing. And it can cetainly go as deep as ketamine. But in a way its crazier because you retain your ability of walk around and function where as with K had i been that far out i would not be able to move for at least an hour. And the most intense parts, or the peak, of the MXE trip lasted for about 4 hours.

 

[psood0nym]

^It's looking to me like an extremely versatile drug, one more amenable to user control than any I've ever experienced.

After finding out I wouldn’t need to go into work the next day I decided to continue with my MXE/DXM/ondansetron trials late last week. It was my second night in a row engaging with this novel psychedelic dissociative/5HT3 antagonist combo and was easily the most intensely visual drug experience of my life (and I’ve overdosed on 35 grams of mimosa hostilis root bark). The dose was 650 mg DXM powder, 16 mg ondansetron, and 100 mg MXE (all taken in a few separate doses over about 5 hours).

I was disturbed by how realistic the open eye visuals were this time. They were much more coherent and organized. It was like watching a movie screen on the ceiling, it was that physically present. At first I thought “oh fuck, this isn’t a drug experience it’s something ghostly being mediated by a drug,” but thankfully that consideration didn’t last. It started when I lied in bed and heard the whir of my air conditioner being remixed into an angelic chant looped over melodies similar to those from Tommy Boy off of the newish Panda Bear album. I was then transported to a dissociated rendition of something I understood to be like Christian heaven (though I’m not Christian). There I saw scenes of achingly blue sky breezing through leaves frosted with golden filigree, and other sublime wonders.

Then, I swear, I heard the ominous “game over” music from some Nintendo game played in the past, perhaps Donkey Kong. This preceded my decent into “Hell.” At this point I realized this was all probably happening because I’ve been reading Dante’s “Inferno,” wherein Dante is lead by Virgil through the descending circles of Hell, and in a latter book, to paradise. It was a relief to have some indication that what I was experiencing had earthly origins. After the sensation of flight ended I found myself in a dark room. A shadowy figure with bedraggled hair emerged from the darkness wearing a leathery mask and a yellow jacket covered in soot. It walked up to me, took a knife from its belt, and cut its own throat.

This made me nauseated. Nonplussed, and slightly annoyed that I had made it to this level of realism only to be presented with something demented and useless, I couldn’t think to say anything but, “What!?... Fuck off!”

I had to burst out laughing when the figure shrugged its shoulders, went back to the corner of the room it was in, and appeared to start eating out of the garbage.

At this point I started demanding to know what this was all about, and asking questions about what I was supposed to do with my life and other matters important to me. I had the impression I was being discussed, and then felt myself moving again (this is the same sensation people report feeling on ketamine when they’re “flying”). I was set down and the scene in front of my eyes dissipated into my bedroom. I figured “they” were done with me, but to make sure I attempted to re-enter a trance. Soon I started to feel a new trip narrative convalescing on the ceiling, but it was wholly detached from the heaven and hell scenario I was enthralled by just prior.

I started to feel what I’m guessing was motion sickness from being transported around so much. So I got up and went to the kitchen to make some soup. Amazingly, it was that easy. Though I was still very dissociated, the visions and sensations of movement ceased and I was allowed to eat my meal in relative peace. I found the degree of control afforded over such an intense experience astonishing.

I decided I wouldn’t try to enter a trance again that night, instead opting for liquor and OTC sleeping pills (the experience was just so unprecedented and intense that I thought I should end it if I was able to). It’s obvious that going into these vision states using this combo is getting easier, and that I’ll have no problem going back in the future. I’m not sure how useful it is, but it’s easily the most visually immersive and complete vision state I’ve ever been. It’s also the most ridiculous and absurd. I’m not quite sure what I’m fucking with here… It’s like taking a ride with pranksters from the underworld or something. I’ve actually told myself I must have dreamed some of these DXM/MXE/ondansetron trips multiple times throughout these three visionary experiences I’ve reported because this level of visual immersion and control is unprecedented in my 14 years of psychedelics use, but each time I return I’m reminded again that this shit is just that real.

*The next night I awoke from a very vivid dream laughing hysterically at how silly it was (it involved a video game where the South Park kids hold their teddy bear underwater as it struggles to reach the surface by repeatedly mashing buttons). When I blinked I saw the same purple webbing strung across my field of vision as during the DXM/ondansetron/MXE experience. I felt like I was still in a trance state despite having woken up, and this made me a bit nauseated. I couldn't stop laughing either, and felt a bit possessed. I got up to take a piss, and while standing in front of the toilet my vision became warpy and wavy for about four seconds. This is the first time I’ve experienced something like that sober, and I’m pretty sure it was an aftershock or a hiccup from the night before. I think during sleep my mind was trying to access the state sober or something. It was sort of disturbing, but I was able to shake it off over a few minutes. Everything’s been normal since. I plan to continue with the combo, but at a slower pace.

 

[MyExcuse]

So I'm going to be trying out supplementing with zinc and magnesium until I get my next supply of MXE. As I drink on a semi-regular basis (low quantity) along with taking MXE regularly, I am hoping to see possibly a reduction in tolerance. I'll report on any effect this might have on the MXE experience, if any.

I'm also curious as to what the addition of CYP inhibitors will have on MXE. Piperine and bergamottin (grapefruit juice). It seems that MXE, regardless of the route taken, requires a good 15 minutes to fully develop. This would make me think this has to do with some metabolic process converting the MXE into a different form, as it certainly takes much longer to peak than ketamine.

I'll have to UTFSE to see if grapefruit juice has been combined with MXE.

 

[Sp33dy]

After 13 days of no methoxetamine, my positive mood is still here and it feels permanent. I couldn't be happier right now. I'm looking forward to the start of my 7 day cycle tomorrow when I leave work and go home, but do I really need to take it right away? The only craving that I get is pure psychological. I remind myself about how epic everything feels while under the influence. There is nothing in this world that has ever felt as grand as holding the person you love while on methoxetamine or full body messages and fricken pedicures my God. I look forward to this week off from work, a lot is going to get accomplished :D You're only hypermanic if you lose that positive or negative mood right? After reading about hypermania I've come to believe that I've actually put myself into a somewhat permanent positive mindstate which I've had all along but couldn't express it due to severe anxiety. Methoxetamine completely wiped out a decades worth of axiety in 1 night 3 months ago. I hope this stuff helps others like it's helped me.

 

[cocoabud]

i would guess it depends on how much you did for how long and what latency period of methoxetamine , as in how long it hangs around in one form or the other, in your body. 13 days is a good bit but one never knows and the longer you go without would help in determining if any positive changes will remain. perhaps you might need to go a month or so without. why take it if you feel you do not need it?

 

[Sp33dy]

I consider doing it again because of how incredibly special each daily activity becomes. Going to Church on the stuff is really quite the experience. I really just like being around my family on the stuff and even though I live by myself, I don't usually spend much time there. I'm home for 7 days, literally a 7 day vacation so I try to make the best of it the entire time, usually by ingesting methoxetamine. It won't be like this forever though, I'm very young and I'm just starting to really enjoy life. It's more of "why shouldn't I take it?".

 

[Jakeperson]

Going to church on any psych would be an uhhhhhhh experience.

 

[ColtDan]

anyone had quite bad respiratory depression when mixing this stuff with alcohol? the last time i did it i was struggling to breathe for a short while

 

[Transform]

No such symptoms with GBL.

 

[lurching]

^Check page 11 of the "3rd dose" thread. That was the last time people who have used 3-MeO-PCE were saying methoxetamine is much closer in its effects to that compound than ketamine (given its structure that's easily the chemical we'd expect it to resemble, more than PCP for sure). It's been discussed at least once more prior to that. There is a massive amount of redundancy in these threads due to people not reading or searching them, discussing the same things over, and thereby lengthening the threads and making others even less likely to read through them for that fact. I myself brought up the 3-MeO-PCE topic redundantly in that last thread (but that was after a search didn't turn up anything for some reason).

these big & dandy threads can be an all-too-linear mess. i'd rather have some sort of methoxetamine subforum, or at least have this thread split up into its different subjects. there's a lot of information getting buried in these dandy piles and yeah it can be hard to find it back. (big fucking deal, heh;])

3-meo-pce vs mxe vs ketamine: 3-meo-pce, to me, is much more stimulating and less visual than ketamine. it has slower onset, and longer duration as well. so it shares those traits with methoxetamine. but, compared to mxe, there is a really distinct flavor to it. it's all a bit faster (bullet trains of thoughts) and more off-kilter-- imo, it is wilder than mxe and as such also a bit confusing.

 

[azgaza]

I'm starting to think MXE has more similarities to PCP than ketamine.

Even though I have no experience with either; I've been thinking that for weeks; everything I read about methoxetamine or am told by friends sounds a lot more like PCP; duration, stimulation, crazy thought under influence, retaining the ability to move for longer; it wouldn't suprise me if it's lot like PCP.

I also feel it has móre potential to be neurotoxic; seeing how people stay conciouss to much higher dosis (and judging by recent ketamine studies; the whole reason ketamine is less likely to cause osley's lesions is much less prominent in methoxetamine, like the very wide receptor binding, it's sedating properties at high doses etc.); retain the ability to walk around even though mentally they could be way too far out of it to do that safely.

 

[lurching]

I also feel it has móre potential to be neurotoxic; seeing how people stay conciouss to much higher dosis (and judging by recent ketamine studies; the whole reason ketamine is less likely to cause osley's lesions is much less prominent in methoxetamine, like the very wide receptor binding, it's sedating properties at high doses etc.); retain the ability to walk around even though mentally they could be way too far out of it to do that safely.

on some binges with methoxetamine, i've been so ver heen, that i cannot believe that there will not be any residual 'neurotoxic' effect (whether or not permanently)!

but still, after a break i feel a 100% again, with a sense of even having improved some aspects of my thinking. could there be a form of 'neurotoxicity' that can be interpreted as being beneficial?

 

[pharmakos]

i sometimes try to look at dissociatives as being analogous in someway to how you have to sometimes re-break a bone in order to get it to heal properly.

 

[lurching]

i prefer the 'reset-button' analogy, cos dissociatives definitely don't feel painful to me. or sometimes its more of a zoom out or a zoom in. when i'm sitting in my room, completely absorbed, four sides to every story, the good ol' animate/inanimate switching, and if the walls could talk they'd probably still ignore me.

 

[pharmakos]

i prefer the 'reset-button' analogy, cos dissociatives definitely don't feel painful to me. or sometimes its more of a zoom out or a zoom in. when i'm sitting in my room, completely absorbed, four sides to every story, the good ol' animate/inanimate switching, and if the walls could talk they'd probably still ignore me.

well it should be a little obvious but in my analogy you would be on a dissociative anesthetic while the bone is getting re-set. lol

 

[Albion]

Speaking of dissociative anesthetics, reckon methoxetamine would make a good one? Ketamine is famously a 'horse tranquilliser'. If a vet (or a surgeon) administered an ultra-high dose of MXE, it'd certainly provide enough dissociation from pain and consciousness.

 

[pharmakos]

on 400mg of MXE i was stumbling around my street naked, taking hard enough falls that i scraped up large chunks of the skin on my knees (i'm talking like 1.5 inches by 6 inches worth of road burn, each knee). i didn't even know it happened for a few hours afterwards.

i plan on never using that dose again.

tread with caution folks.

edit -- ah i'll go into some more detail on my injuries too.

i'm pretty sure i broke my left toe, i have no idea since i didn't actually get x-rays. my left arm was seriously fucked up too... chunks of skin missing from the elbow, as well as a weird pain in my left shoulder that hasn't gone away yet (i'm working it out though ). i may or may not have dislocated my arm but if someone told me that it was dislocated i would believe them... also road burns not as bad on my torso including my left nipple.

i came to a few hours later taking a bath. i haven't taken a bath in like 12 years.

no idea how much blood i lost but it must have been a lot.

i also lost my job. (but i hated that job anyway)

honestly though, my advice is not to totally abstain... just don't dose like a fucking moron (like me)

150mg wasn't enough so i decided to do 250mg plus some 2c-p

oh yeah, so the answer is YES -- it does make a good dissociative anesthetic.

 

[DoseYouAll]

Woah, this drug is the drug of the future. It has a chance to stay in the "drug canon" among all those psylocibin, LSD, MDMA, even if delegalized (*spits*), as long as the lab tests don't come up with something not very funny (*spits again*), like brain damage...

And the addiction... Woah, I've been clean for so many days (except for the one occasional 1st time LSD), and this.... This MXE is really encouraging me. Not like the experiences were THAT awesome, because they weren't.

Wanted to say something more but I lost my train of thought.

Take care!

I agree completely. . . This is an amazing molecule and though I've changed my mind now, while on it I was thinking "LSD is obsolete now." But of course that can't be true LSD is another amazing molecule.

I just ordered 5g of crystalline MXE from a new (to me) supplier because the place I ordered 1g of powdered MXE from a couple months back, stopped shipping to the US apparently. Bunch of wankers, they never replied to my emails asking them about this change either. Fuck 'em, the new place has better prices and the crystals are supposed to be the best.

Can't wait to get some more insight to the effects of MXE. I was doing some extremely pure cocaine last time I had MXE, and also piracetam which caused me to lose my fuckin mind for a while and those two months are all just a blur now.

I really liked the effects of IV with MXE it was so fresh and so clean, just beautiful. Also some visuals I got were totally astounding and comparable to things I've seen on Ketamine.

I swear to god I was time traveling on MXE, or something like seeing into the future, or other dimensions. . .I was seeing webpages online that were from an alternate reality where armageddon happened in 1993 or some shit like that. . . I was watching videos on youtube that were sent to me from the future by people i went to grammar school with and were now living in some alternate reality I can't explain it reallly like I said it's all a blur. Overall I think MXE for me at least is PROFOUNDLY psychedelic just as much if not more than LSD but in a different way of course. I love MXE !

 

[DwayneHoover]

on 400mg of MXE i was stumbling around my street naked... etc etc

YIKES! Sorry to hear about all that, man! Oh well at least you will have something to tell the grandkids, haha.

Ah, the going out in public naked while tripping thing. I have seen it happen. Consider yourself lucky you were not arrested. Did the job loss have to do with the public nudity?

I wonder why we have that impulse sometimes? I guess it is a combintation of:

1 - being in a primordial mind state in which clothes feel constricting and "wrong"
2 - being in a primordial mind state in which being inside walls feels like you are trapped/imprisoned
3 - being in a primordial mind state in which you have no idea what the fuck is happening or that such a thing as "social norms" or even other people exist.

I guess in these cases we have reverted to reptilian brain-stem animal survival functioning, which also explains why some people have blackouts, almost as if higher brain functioning are just totally shut down. Fascinating. Sometimes disastrous. Occasionally hilarious (but not in this case due to the injuries and job loss).

 

[mirrorlake]

This stuff has proven to be a most effective medicine for a lot of people, myself included.

Low doses... I'm talking like 10-20mg are all it takes to lift any self-doubt, social anxiety, and replace it with a confidence, motivation, and mental sharpness I've struggled much of my life to achieve.

That said, it would be nice if people would not do stuff like take 400mg doses and head out into the street. The longer this substance remains legal, the more people it will help and continue to help.