The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

[Crack4Lyfe]

Someone has also died from IV'ing this (mixed with MDAI)

Link?

 

[knock]

Link?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9104800&postcount=769

I've been paying close attention to this since Mediajunkie posted, following the posts on Flashback forum with the aid of Google translation. There seems no reason to doubt the report.

This was high dose (80-100mg) intravenous injection of Methoxetamine together with a 400mg MDAI dose, possibly also IV'd, by a speedball (heroin/speed) lover. So while it is very tragic it is not really surprising. Not because he loved speedballs but because of the recklessness of his dosing.

 

[uncle stinky]

Maybe the fake samples was the benzo fury thread ... but there was a reason i got bored reading alot of the posts on this thread maybe cos alot of it was before the drug has come for purchasing so alot was just people talking about it rather than report on the effects after they had taken it

"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain"
Friedrich Schiller

Thanks for trying to spoil things for the rest of us.

 

[lbeing789]

+ I think MDAI is a deceptively strong drug

 

[amanitadine]

tbh i think i read like 10 pages before i got bored because alot of the first reviews were before it came out for purchase on offical sites and people were just taking fake samples and posting what they had here and alot were this stuff is weak as a shit etc , kinda made me think the drug was something to compare to drone or less.

If you are too bored to even find out the dosage, then maybe do something else. And then you opted to start off with 400 mg intanasally?

My god. I guess I always overestimate the intelligence of the general population.

It is truly unfortunate somebody has died

I really thought the slightly larger safety margins of this one and even just a little caution could have prevented this kind of thing from happening. It sounds more complex than a simple o.d. Once again, I am suprised at the recklessness, but it truly is sad. I hope this at least sends enough of a ripple through the community that people will be a little more cautious, and further tragedies can be avoided.

Heaven help us if other arylcyclohexylamines ever see wide release. People are just too careless.

And yes, thank you Knockando for really running with the harm reduction campaign. That is why bluelight is here

 

[lbeing789]

I think Yatzi may end up getting one of those darwin awards....

amanitadine, I'm with you - I guess I overestimated as well...

 

[Yatzi]

Yatzi, I don't want to judge or point fingers... but taking 400mg and giving it your mates in the first go just seems next level stupid to me, shocking even, especially since you're actually reading this thread.... I'm reading all your explanations and they just don't cut it...you got bored?? you're criminally irresponsible buddy, if you'd have killed one of your friends you would've got the msg... it's a very basic rule that you need to follow in the future.... if you don't know what the dosage is, don't take it.... it could've been anything, who knows??

Everything you wrote here i had to come to terms with when i woke up the next morning, def learnt my lesson no doubt lol

 

[lbeing789]

Yatzi, I don't want to judge or point fingers... but taking 400mg and giving it your mates in the first go just seems next level stupid to me, shocking even, especially since you're actually reading this thread.... I'm reading all your explanations and they just don't cut it...you got bored?? you're criminally irresponsible buddy, if you'd have killed one of your friends you would've got the msg... it's a very basic rule that you need to follow in the future.... if you don't know what the dosage is, don't take it.... it could've been anything, who knows??

Everything you wrote here i had to come to terms with when i woke up the next morning, def learnt my lesson no doubt lol

Fair enough dude, I don't think u need any more scolding...

 

[Twigs]

I am not at all surprised to see massive OD's considering the way this chemical is marketed.
A lot of people will just hoover it like K and since the come up apparently is longer with this one, bad thing are bound to happen.

I predict more deaths will follow

 

[Methox23]

I am not at all surprised to see massive OD's considering the way this chemical is marketed.
A lot of people will just hoover it like K and since the come up apparently is longer with this one, bad thing are bound to happen.

I predict more deaths will follow

Its a really big shame because its a nice chemical, with poetential if used correctly and respected.. it really annoys me when people like this ruin it for the rest of us.. because of idiotic behaviour... stupidity.

 

[Albion]

This chemical certainly does have many profound qualities. It is hugely introspective, and whilst in the thick of a complete dis-associative experience, it can offer up new lateral and genuinely credible thoughts on life and the direction it is headed. Used correctly, this drug has lots of potential as a spiritual and therapeutic aid.

However, hoovering 400mgs first time round with your mates won't teach you anything other than a hard lesson about life and death.

I think in the name of harm reduction we should also recommend the sort of setting you should be in when taking this drug in larger doses. In a completely safe, familiar environment is a good starting point.

 

[mistereman]

I'll hold my hands up to being a little bit silly last night. Having been out drinking (probably 6 pints total) upon getting in I thought I'd have a little dabble but rather stupidly I redosed 3 times taking the total up to 75mg. That was never my intention (first dose 10mg) but my judgement was probably impaired due to the alcohol

All 75mg taken sublingually within a 3hr space of time. First dose 1am last around 4am

Its now 12.52 and I'm still feeling the effects albeit on a more managable level. Finding it quite pleasant actually but at its peak in the middle of the night this knocked me for 6. I wouldn't say it is an experience I would be in a rush to repeat but looking back on it probably one of the most indescribable few hours of my life. I'm trying my damndest to put it into words but can't.

From that you will glean very little but the point I would like to raise is how readily I looked to re-dose which is most unlike me. I'd never planned a full on mind fuck like this but felt compelled to dab some more until I got there. Shoot me down for being a dick but for anyone in a similar boat who's looking to try this the come up is longer than I had envisaged so hold back on heroic doses. It's strong

Edit: actually feeling great right now, still slight balance issues when walking but effects have tailored off to minimal level where I'm in a good place and able to work. Will look back on this once its completely worn off as a top time I only wish I had stuck to a smaller dosage

 

[Demonocracy]

I was wondering if anybody else has experienced kidney pain or swelling in the 24 hrs following taking Methoxetamine?

It was my first time of trying this RC on Tuesday. Following an allergy test the day before of 3-5mg, I dosed 25mg sublingually. I wanted to keep my dosage low to start with as I'm not very experienced with dissociatives. I can't say it was an amazing experience but I have been suffering with a cold this week so that probably didn't help. I didn't consume anything else like alcohol which might have had a negative effect on my body. The only thing I did take was a lemsip about 12 hours prior.

About 6 hours after ingestion I noticed the first signs of aching in my kidneys and at around the 12 hour mark I could feel pressure on back whislt lying in bed. I have suffered with enlarged kidneys only once in my life when my prostate became infected and blocked my ureters so I know that was deffinately the pain I was feeling. It's now almost 72 hrs later and the pressure and pain is almost gone but I find myself very aprehensive about trying this again. My dose was quite low and I understand that not everybody will react the same to a certain chemical.

I bought the stuff from a reliable source and my girlfriend had a great time on the same dose with no ill effects so this does seem to be a 'Me' thing

 

[IlostaMadge]

Ketamine does that too, I think it is theorised to be norketamine that is responsible.

Some people get it from a few small doses, other major ket heads require daily dosing before they feel it. It can get really severe and result in the need for a catheter.

 

[nanoshot]

I've PMed the mods to ask if there's any way we can have some basic safety/dosage information on each page. I'm not hopeful as I don't think the site supports sticky posts. I'd put it in my sig but I don't fucking have one....

In the meantime:

METHOXETAMINE DOSAGE AND SAFETY INFORMATION

This drug is not ketamine, it has a different dose range and effects profile.

Dosed sensibly this drug can be very interesting and enjoyable. Dosed stupidly it can be unpleasant and possibly dangerous.

Several people have had very negative reactions. Start with an allergy test of about 5mg. This is a tiny amount.

Then proceed cautiously to 10mg and work your way up. This is still a tiny amount. This applies to any dosing method (sniffed/sublingual/plugged)

If you choose to ignore this advice at the very least DO NOT EXCEED 50mg for your first dose.

Come-up is longer than ketamine - 30 minutes to an hour and a half.

Because the specific effects are unpredictable, it makes sense to be somewhere safe and familiar.

Become familiar with the effects before you consider combining with other drugs, including alcohol.

If you don't have scales get them as you cannot reliably eyeball at this level.

If you decide to IV you are probably making a very big mistake.

Please add the missing "IM" doses and come up times for IM as an ROA.

 

[nanoshot]

Has anyone in the USA gotten theirs yet? If so, when was it shipped from the UK?

 

[knock]

Please add the missing "IM" doses and come up times for IM as an ROA.

I don't have that information, tell me!

 

[ugh1979]

I had a wonderful experience with MXE at the weekend.

What I look for in ketamine is getting in to the 'next-to-zero-gravity, semi dimensional 95% full visual hallucination parallel universe' ASAP. I'm not really interested in it for it's lighter effects and don't like using it in a social situation as it just makes me feel anti-social and unable to communicate properly. I'm all about the lying back and experiencing high disassociation where the room turns into a cool cruise ship, a beautifully designed mansion or 5pm in the Polo Lounge in Beverley Hills or whatever lol. I find it fascinating and so aesthetically pleasing, and it usually makes music an incredible experience as it almost controls where I float and drift to in that other world. (Although at low doses it can make music sound weird and hollow, which I noticed again with MXE before I went 'under')

I started of 50mg sub-lingual with a friend, which was OK but didn't have the desired effect, so we took another 50mg sub-lingual a couple of hours later, but again, nothing too exciting to report. I'm sure some people would have liked it but it wasn't what I was looking for. A couple of hours later again I followed up by snorting 50mg and that took me where I want to be. Nice...

Later that day I tried snorting some more and again, got to the place I wanted to be. I then continued in this fashion with more 50mg lines for the rest of the day, so overall I had a good 12 hours (at least) in and out of the magic dimension so I was happy that MXE was doing just as what good ket does but lasting longer and needing a much lower dosage.

I did notice the the return to baseline took a lot longer than on ket and it was a good 6 hours or so where I was in some half state where I was just kind of tired and trying to watch TV, but still unable to function (I couldn't type for example). Big ket sessions usually leave me feeling a bit cold and empty and end up with me just going to sleep but this MXE experience turned into a wonderful warm fuzzy feeling of bliss, that I think I need to put down to the opiate effect that is being reported. I have no experience with any opiates so have no frame of reference but it was very very nice and a pleasant surprise alternative to what is usually a cold comedown from ket. I topped up with a dose of aMT and Phenibut and had a wonderful time for the next 6 hours before going to sleep. (And feeling brilliant the next day i may add)

As I say, sub-lingual was a bit disappointing but maybe I didn't hold it long enough. It was only a minute at most as the taste got a bit unpleasant. I have more to try this weekend so I'll try going straight for intranasal and see if it does what I want.

Highly recommended stuff IMO.

 

[knock]

Please add the missing "IM" doses and come up times for IM as an ROA.

Also I'm wary of this becoming so long it doesn't get read, just like this thread.

The main intent is to get through to lazy people that they should start low and avoid redosing too early. So there has to be an indication of what a sensible starting dose is, come-up time and effects duration. Also that they should not think that they can count on their previous experience with ketamine, a different drug.

I would hope that someone who plans to inject can extrapolate from the sublingual doses. I already know that I'm wrong from the Swedish experience, but there's no accounting for lunatics.

 

[phatboy303]

The Mrs did some of this while I was out yesterday. Considering how responsible she was in stopping me getting carried away at the weekend, she very irresponsibily started sniffing it quite recklessly. She'd ran out mephedrone and since there was no K in the house decided that this would combat the fiending.

I can't be sure how much she took, but at a guess i would say 100-150mg over 2 hours. Her K tolerance is comparable to mine, although she's half my size. I'm only glad I got back when I did else she may have took more.

FWIW, she didn't really enjoy it, the mania effect didn't agree with her, in contrast to the more relaxing effects of K. By no means was she freaking out or anything but there did seem to be an air of panic about her. I took her out for a drive to get her a change of scenery/fresh air etc which helped although it took her about quarter of an hour to get her head round the concept of putting her shoes on!!! All in all, it didn't really last that long though, she was pretty close to baseline within an hour of me getting back.

She's fine now, reckons it wasn't very enjoyable and she probably won't bother doing it again. Like I said she can handle her K well and keeps up with me. Ironically, later that night we got a couple of grams of some of the strongest K we've had in ages and had a very nice time on it.

I know I've only been posting on here less than a week and it probably seems like we're a pair of fucking reckless twats, and you might well be right. Nevertheless we are both in our 30s and very experienced in the world of drug-taking. But we do both have a tendency to get carried away easily (i fucked up on MDPV the first and only time I did that, while the Mrs overdid it once on dimethocaine).

By no means am i here to scare anyone, but to repeat the points made earlier, this stuff should be treated with utmost respect. Regardless of the obvious comparisons with K and the fact that it has been marketed as a legal alternative to K, this stuff is not K and has many significant differences. Be careful.