The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

[knock]

But I was under the impression that MDAI is quite weak, at least in how it feels. I've never tried it, but that's because reports weren't really that great. And MXE isn't particularly stimulating. Certainly didn't make my heart rate sky rocket.

There may be an other underlying issue to blame here.

I find methoxetamine is at least mentally stimulating, i.e. keep you awake and alert. But I've not paid much attention to my heart rate. During my second time with it there was a minute or two when I felt almost an adrenalin effect as I hit the peak but it didn't last long.

But MDAI is not supposed to be stimulating.

There may well be other factors to blame.

He used to always mix tjacket with morphine. And thought it was as nice.
Therefore he wanted to try this. But died.

I think tjacket is junkie, doesn't make much sense in that case. Where's mediajunkie?

 

[YBC]

Tjack(et) is street amphetamine

 

[knock]

Tjack(et) is street amphetamine

Thanks!

I can't help thinking this chap was IV'ing these RCs.

 

[growit&smokeit]

Sounds like a very modern version of a speed ball. Poor guy.

 

[DaW]

Coming offf my first experience with MXE right now, this one's pure bliss !!!! I started with a mate of mine at approx 1900, two little lines á 10mg left&right nostril followed by two 10mg lines at the 1 hour point and 2 hour point. Come up was very k like, but instead of feeling cold and "steel-like" there is a very comfortable warmth and a sense of "nothing bad can happen" troughout the experience. This is followed by a state of humorous confusion, i questioned and laughed about everything, sometimes this state can get very intense and weird and freaky but there is always the reassurance that nothing bad can happen. The afterglow is wonderful, very mood lifting, TV is 3D lol and everything is brighter and more beautiful :D

I took a walk during the afterglow and was amazed by really everything, and at some point a little dog got at me (wich i didnt realise because i was listening to music...oh and yes music sounds GREAT) and when i noticed the little doggy barking at me i just smiled and walked on (normally this would have fucking frightened me....and i think you guys to ). Im telling you that to emphasize that the experience was completely void of anxiety ect...at least for me

all in all this one is so treat it with respect and take it easy!

 

[knock]

The unfortunate Swede was using intravenously, confirmed on Flashback forum.

 

[deckmunki]

Just to follow up from experiences a few nights ago:

Methoxetamine's negative psychological effects seem to be MUCH more pronounced than ketamine; every time I've tried it, I have experienced varying degrees of mania, panic, mental confusion, and some pretty disturbing trains of thought.

In low doses it has a lot of potential as a wonderful pick-me-up, but I'm a little worried about its psychological effects at higher doses.

Also wondering whether there might be a possibility of potentiation with drugs such as DXM in terms of causing psychological disturbance?

/Deckmunki

 

[lbeing789]

I think different people have different reactions to this... I can't help but notice a lot of opinion about MXE from inexperienced users in general... also I keep on reading things that go completely contrary to my experience....

Deckmunki- sorry am I reading that right? how was DXM involved in your MXE experience? I have to remark that in my 15 or so times doing MXE, in various/high doses, I have yet to have a hint of mania, panic, or anything resembling a negative train of thought... in fact, that to me seems to be one of it's most remarkable qualities, that it lacks those things. Disassociatives usually have long afterlife's, were you guys using DXM within a few days of using MXE?

 

[knock]

Just to follow up from experiences a few nights ago:

Methoxetamine's negative psychological effects seem to be MUCH more pronounced than ketamine; every time I've tried it, I have experienced varying degrees of mania, panic, mental confusion, and some pretty disturbing trains of thought.

In low doses it has a lot of potential as a wonderful pick-me-up, but I'm a little worried about its psychological effects at higher doses.

Also wondering whether there might be a possibility of potentiation with drugs such as DXM in terms of causing psychological disturbance?

/Deckmunki

Interesting, I suspect that the things you don't like about this are things that I DO like about it!


Mania = Stimulation
Panic = High Drama
Confusion = Befuddledness
Disturbing trains of thought = Interesting avenues of enquiry

 

[deckmunki]

I think different people have different reactions to this... I can't help but notice a lot of opinion about MXE from inexperienced users in general... also I keep on reading things that go completely contrary to my experience....

Deckmunki- sorry am I reading that right? how was DXM involved in your MXE experience? I have to remark that in my 15 or so times doing MXE, in various/high doses, I have yet to have a hint of mania, panic, or anything resembling a negative train of thought... in fact, that to me seems to be one of it's most remarkable qualities, that it lacks those things. Disassociatives usually have long afterlife's, were you guys using DXM within a few days of using MXE?

Hey lbeing789, I put some more details a page or two back; Mrs Deckmunki had a very upsetting episode on MXE. She had been treating a cold by taking a cough mixture which contained DXM, but stopped at least 30 hours before taking 40mg MXE. During the peak of the MXE's effects - around 90 minutes - she experienced what we think was a pretty severe psychotic episode which has left her very wary of MXE since. No idea whatsoever whether there's a link between the two but it would be foolhardy to ignore it.

 

[Methox23]

Interesting, I suspect that the things you don't like about this are things that I DO like about it!


Mania = Stimulation
Panic = High Drama
Confusion = Befuddledness
Disturbing trains of thought = Interesting avenues of enquiry

Haa yeah same , but i still notice a warm fuzzy opiate feeling at doses so confusion and mania are still fun because its a warm feeling lol hard to explain...

 

[knock]

Haa yeah same , but i still notice a warm fuzzy opiate feeling at doses so confusion and mania are still fun because its a warm feeling lol hard to explain...

I'm right there with you...

 

[lbeing789]

Interesting, I suspect that the things you don't like about this are things that I DO like about it!


Mania = Stimulation
Panic = High Drama
Confusion = Befuddledness
Disturbing trains of thought = Interesting avenues of enquiry

Well put.

 

[knock]

Hey lbeing789, I put some more details a page or two back; Mrs Deckmunki had a very upsetting episode on MXE. She had been treating a cold by taking a cough mixture which contained DXM, but stopped at least 30 hours before taking 40mg MXE. During the peak of the MXE's effects - around 90 minutes - she experienced what we think was a pretty severe psychotic episode which has left her very wary of MXE since. No idea whatsoever whether there's a link between the two but it would be foolhardy to ignore it.

Sorry about my flippant reply to you up there ^^ I don't mean to belittle Mrs Deckmunki's negative experience at all!

You seem to be saying that you yourself find negative qualities to the experience. In your earlier posts you said you had no negative effects. Have you had subsequent doses and decided you were uncomfortable with the manic feeling, and so on?

 

[lbeing789]

Hey lbeing789, I put some more details a page or two back; Mrs Deckmunki had a very upsetting episode on MXE. She had been treating a cold by taking a cough mixture which contained DXM, but stopped at least 30 hours before taking 40mg MXE. During the peak of the MXE's effects - around 90 minutes - she experienced what we think was a pretty severe psychotic episode which has left her very wary of MXE since. No idea whatsoever whether there's a link between the two but it would be foolhardy to ignore it.

Sorry I hadn't read that msg, read the early reports tho.. .yeah that's interesting, actually 30 hours isn't enough in my experience, that could've been a potentiating factor, plus it seems this oral ROA is stronger... then I think her having that negative experience obviously negatively effected your trip, maybe you guys just got off on a very negative footing.. can I ask, would you guys normally find yourselves into stimulants/less trippy drugs??.. I know tonnes of people that will happily take coke/mdma/ketamine but would never normally take trippy drugs like acid/mushrooms/dmt.... I think MXE has so much going on that I would generally consider it a trippy drug and I'm starting to think this is a great point of confusion with MXE and it's relationship to ketamine.

Also another point I've got to say, from the original reports, it does read more like a standard drug freakout than a severe psychotic episode... you know being overwhelmed by an unexpected effect, I think things would've been a lot worse if that had been the case... anyway, glad you're well now... a nega-experience like that can be really tough to get over.

 

[killermunchies]

I have a question for those of you that have tried it. How long does it take after the initial dose to be able to sleep? I've read the whole thread but I haven't found a consistent answer. I realize that it can be different for different people but I'm just looking for a ball park estimate. This is assuming a dose in the 20 - 40 mg range. When I get mine, I'll probably end up doing it at night, but I want to dose early enough to be able to get some sleep.

 

[lbeing789]

I have a question for those of you that have tried it. How long does it take after the initial dose to be able to sleep? I've read the whole thread but I haven't found a consistent answer. I realize that it can be different for different people but I'm just looking for a ball park estimate. This is assuming a dose in the 20 - 40 mg range. When I get mine, I'll probably end up doing it at night, but I want to dose early enough to be able to get some sleep.

You're not going to get a ballpark figure... you can fall asleep on it, I have done.. but you can also be so excited that you don't want to sleep...you'll be able to sleep in the same evening, especially if you want to.

 

[knock]

I would allow between four and six hours from ingestion over that dose range (sublingual) before sleep.

Sorry lbeing789 I'm not trying to be contrary but personally I am always too excited to sleep until the effects wear off... ZZzzzzzz.....

But people are different!

 

[deckmunki]

Sorry I hadn't read that msg, read the early reports tho.. .yeah that's interesting, actually 30 hours isn't enough in my experience, that could've been a potentiating factor, plus it seems this oral ROA is stronger... then I think her having that negative experience obviously negatively effected your trip, maybe you guys just got off on a very negative footing.. can I ask, would you guys normally find yourselves into stimulants/less trippy drugs??.. I know tonnes of people that will happily take coke/mdma/ketamine but would never normally take trippy drugs like acid/mushrooms/dmt.... I think MXE has so much going on that I would generally consider it a trippy drug and I'm starting to think this is a great point of confusion with MXE and it's relationship to ketamine.

Also another point I've got to say, from the original reports, it does read more like a standard drug freakout than a severe psychotic episode... you know being overwhelmed by an unexpected effect, I think things would've been a lot worse if that had been the case... anyway, glad you're well now... a nega-experience like that can be really tough to get over.

Hey lbeing789 No need to apologise for your tone; it's all good

We've both enjoyed aMT, MDMA, laughing gas and ket many a time.

You could well be right about the freakout, except that the line between a freak out and a psychotic episode can get pretty blurry at the best of times. I have no idea what it would have been called by a doc - like I said at the time, everything I've reported has been a best-guess - but her behaviour was very much confused and agitated.

More interestingly/worryingly, I also noticed her speech was affected three times when she would repeat a consonant sound for several seconds; almost like a very aggressive stutter; e.g. instead of saying "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", she would say "the quick brown fox jumps overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... the lazy dog" in an almost gutteral tone. She said afterwards that she didn't know whether it was an echo in her head or her actually making the noise until I told her what she'd been doing.

That alone makes me incredibly worried that her signs and the symptoms she described were in the ballpark at least of being a psychotic break, and hence potentially very serious...?

Hell, I don't know. I'm just a Google-equipped keyboard monkey, but it's been a lesson to us both.

 

[Delsyd]

Actually IME what you described above sounds quite like a psychedelic dissociative experience.