socalthizzn
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Jeepers guys....
The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread
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Back up a little here guys.
If a vendor brings out a product which gets good reviews, and then another unrelated vendor brings out the same product extremely soon after, surely the expectation must be that the 2nd vendor's product is fake, regardless of wether the first is?
Certainly the 2nd being proved fake shouldn't increase to probality of the first being so, and I believe the majority or reports were from this vendor.
I believe we have some people on the board who previously synthed and assayer this themselves. If any of you purchased from vendor 1 and can give a subjective comparison of effects it could be helpful, in the absence of proper analysis.
If a vendor brings out a product which gets good reviews, and then another unrelated vendor brings out the same product extremely soon after, surely the expectation must be that the 2nd vendor's product is fake, regardless of wether the first is?
Certainly the 2nd being proved fake shouldn't increase to probality of the first being so, and I believe the majority or reports were from this vendor.
I believe we have some people on the board who previously synthed and assayer this themselves. If any of you purchased from vendor 1 and can give a subjective comparison of effects it could be helpful, in the absence of proper analysis.
Jamshyd
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planckunit
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molecular mass does not correspond to tiletamine
based on the M=85 fragment there is most probably a thiophene present, though, so knowing that the compound has dissociative type effects means it is probably a tiletamine analog (as in, a thienylcyclohexylamine) and based on the mass, it is probably the N-methyl analogue.
I don't get why this product wasn't just marketed as what it was though
Wait, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water here. There is only one known legitimate vender of this chem in the uk at the moment and ham clearly said that the sample tested was not from them.
It doesn't surprise me at all that we are seeing dodgy imitations from other vendors, look at the 6-apb fiasco.
It doesn't surprise me at all that we are seeing dodgy imitations from other vendors, look at the 6-apb fiasco.
psood0nym
Bluelighter
This is the second post cautioning not to dismiss the original vendor's product as illegitimate, but I don't see any posts questioning the legitimacy of the original vendor's product. They've all been addressing the mystery compound, I think. It would be nice to have the original's independently confirmed if it hasn't been already, though.
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
I'd be very, very shocked if no one has analyzed the first vendor's product already, seeing the large number of technically-oriented BLers who seem to have all tried it....
Hi gang
After Injecting 250mg Methoxetamine over a day my views are it would make a good anti depressant - anyone looking for deep introspective emotional traumatic K holes may try Ket instead, for me this stuff is just another RC.
I did not get any of the opiate stuff, even though i am very familiar with opiates&opoids.. i got a slight Ket ness after each injection, then not much just waiting on on a RC till next Injection..
it could be my tolerance, it could be that this RC just does not work on my receptors i really dont know.
I hope what i have written about Methoxetamine should not put people off it as i reckon it is good
just not for me.
PLUR!
PS.. i am not as depressed as i was so this is a plus
After Injecting 250mg Methoxetamine over a day my views are it would make a good anti depressant - anyone looking for deep introspective emotional traumatic K holes may try Ket instead, for me this stuff is just another RC.
I did not get any of the opiate stuff, even though i am very familiar with opiates&opoids.. i got a slight Ket ness after each injection, then not much just waiting on on a RC till next Injection..
it could be my tolerance, it could be that this RC just does not work on my receptors i really dont know.
I hope what i have written about Methoxetamine should not put people off it as i reckon it is good
just not for me.
PLUR!
PS.. i am not as depressed as i was so this is a plus
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MrDoIt
Bluelighter
Havent posted on this chem yet but hope for some feed back. I posted on a different forum with regards to my experience with MXe, Which some BLs may have read, which I am now doubting very much to be what it says it was.
26th Sept. 02.43am
"Having a bit of a night from hell hell here and Im not even high as such. Took 50mg Mxe at around 8ish last night. By around 9.30ish I was being as sick as I have ever been on any drug. Must of been about 6 times. After that drama was finished I felt so queasy and cold thought I would go lie in bed and watch TV and hopefully just feel better. Whilst lying in beD kept experiencing intense brain zaps every 10 minutes or so. Was alone as friend went home yesterday. At around 1.15 decided to try and sleep but left the TV on. As far as I am aware I fell asleep - but actually wasnt. I was laid on my side and for what must of been 15 minutes was trying to turn over but my duvet wouldnt let me or I just couldnt move. Every time I thought I had turned over I would be back in the same position. And then the scariest thing happened I saw someone walk into my room and at this point I just closed my eyes and hoped for the best. To say I was absolutely terrified is an understatement. About 2 minutes after that I managed to actually sit up and get phone to call friend. Feel ok now, a LOT spooked out by the whole experience. Fucking frightening. At this moment sat in lounge watching TV, oh, with all lights on.
Sad
3.11 Just been sick quite bad again - this isnt right. 7 hours after ??"
26th Sept. 4:58pm
"Hi guys. Thanks for your concern. Im feeling a little better now. Sort of been drifting in & out of sleep all day, with extremely vivid dreams that I can remember every detail of. I think this was an an exteremly unpleasant phsycotic episode, and has served to me as a warning that my body and mind has said enough is enough and it needs a rest. As for past experience, I used to take Ket with Es/MDxx but not for quite a few years now. Was aware of the confusion this sort of chem can have but was not prepared in any way for what happened and yes it genuinely shit the life out of me. My friend was right when she said it sounded like a scene out of the movie "Flatliners". Creepy as hell. The figure I saw walking towards my bed, I felt as if it was my time to die - and please dont think I am making this worse than it was. As for ROA - I bombed 50-60mg. I had just had similar amount 3 days before and like others have said it was intense but really, really good. I think I posted that it "blew my head off" !! Think I need a rest for at least a few weeks. Have taken a lot of 6-APB over the past month, between 3-4G and like I said I think Sat night my body & mind gave me a warning to slow down. Im glad of the warning. This stuff is powerful, please lets not hear of any more nightmares."
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Just to now add to the above, All week whilst trying to sleep, once I have started to "drift off", I have experienced a feeling of "falling into a black hole" together with extreme brain zaps which have only discontinued once I have been awoken by friend, who has also said I have been gasping for air and in tears/almost in tears on several of these occasions. Its getting scary.
To BLs who are experienced (or as much as they can be with the short release date) with this chem, does this REALLY sound like the effects that should be noted whilst on this ? Any help greatly appreciated and thanks in advance for your time.
26th Sept. 02.43am
"Having a bit of a night from hell hell here and Im not even high as such. Took 50mg Mxe at around 8ish last night. By around 9.30ish I was being as sick as I have ever been on any drug. Must of been about 6 times. After that drama was finished I felt so queasy and cold thought I would go lie in bed and watch TV and hopefully just feel better. Whilst lying in beD kept experiencing intense brain zaps every 10 minutes or so. Was alone as friend went home yesterday. At around 1.15 decided to try and sleep but left the TV on. As far as I am aware I fell asleep - but actually wasnt. I was laid on my side and for what must of been 15 minutes was trying to turn over but my duvet wouldnt let me or I just couldnt move. Every time I thought I had turned over I would be back in the same position. And then the scariest thing happened I saw someone walk into my room and at this point I just closed my eyes and hoped for the best. To say I was absolutely terrified is an understatement. About 2 minutes after that I managed to actually sit up and get phone to call friend. Feel ok now, a LOT spooked out by the whole experience. Fucking frightening. At this moment sat in lounge watching TV, oh, with all lights on.
Sad
3.11 Just been sick quite bad again - this isnt right. 7 hours after ??"
26th Sept. 4:58pm
"Hi guys. Thanks for your concern. Im feeling a little better now. Sort of been drifting in & out of sleep all day, with extremely vivid dreams that I can remember every detail of. I think this was an an exteremly unpleasant phsycotic episode, and has served to me as a warning that my body and mind has said enough is enough and it needs a rest. As for past experience, I used to take Ket with Es/MDxx but not for quite a few years now. Was aware of the confusion this sort of chem can have but was not prepared in any way for what happened and yes it genuinely shit the life out of me. My friend was right when she said it sounded like a scene out of the movie "Flatliners". Creepy as hell. The figure I saw walking towards my bed, I felt as if it was my time to die - and please dont think I am making this worse than it was. As for ROA - I bombed 50-60mg. I had just had similar amount 3 days before and like others have said it was intense but really, really good. I think I posted that it "blew my head off" !! Think I need a rest for at least a few weeks. Have taken a lot of 6-APB over the past month, between 3-4G and like I said I think Sat night my body & mind gave me a warning to slow down. Im glad of the warning. This stuff is powerful, please lets not hear of any more nightmares."
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Just to now add to the above, All week whilst trying to sleep, once I have started to "drift off", I have experienced a feeling of "falling into a black hole" together with extreme brain zaps which have only discontinued once I have been awoken by friend, who has also said I have been gasping for air and in tears/almost in tears on several of these occasions. Its getting scary.
To BLs who are experienced (or as much as they can be with the short release date) with this chem, does this REALLY sound like the effects that should be noted whilst on this ? Any help greatly appreciated and thanks in advance for your time.
The stuff from the original UK vendor is legit, IMO.
It is nice, floaty and importantly - it has a notably different vibe and different visuals to regular K.
But it is not as many times as potent as I was expecting.
And - I observed that friends who have high K tolerance got nothing much off 25-40mg of this stuff.
To summarise, if you have low or no K tolerance, it is well worth a play. Whereas If you have K tolerance, then the (current) high prices of methoxetamine make it not worth the bother. However - if you have money to spare this month, then why not? - if you enjoy your K and fancy an alternative experience then its worth doing a decent dose just to see what it's all about..
IMO
It is nice, floaty and importantly - it has a notably different vibe and different visuals to regular K.
But it is not as many times as potent as I was expecting.
And - I observed that friends who have high K tolerance got nothing much off 25-40mg of this stuff.
To summarise, if you have low or no K tolerance, it is well worth a play. Whereas If you have K tolerance, then the (current) high prices of methoxetamine make it not worth the bother. However - if you have money to spare this month, then why not? - if you enjoy your K and fancy an alternative experience then its worth doing a decent dose just to see what it's all about..
IMO
Skyline_GTR
Bluelight Crew
Hope things improve and you start to feel better soon.. tbh, sounds like an idiosyncratic reaction to me, and/or because of very heavy abuse of 6-APB (3-4g in a single month!? Jesus..). That is very heavy abuse of a completely unknown RC which like it's illegal cousin MDA is surely likely to be pretty neurotoxic in relative terms.. sure methoxetamine is completely unknown too, but reports so far seem to be overwhelmingly positive and it does feel very benign at the doses I have tried, up to 50mg snorted and 35mg sublingual (caveat being its obviously very early days with this chem). Seriously mate, take a break for a while..
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Banjo Fury
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I`m pretty sure this is what it is advertised as. It`s maybe time mate, to give these rc`s a rest for a while. I was following your reports last weekend and you started scaring the shit out of me!
Build up after build up of these rc`s can`t be too healthy. If i remember correctly your 1st experience on this was with aMT(75mg?) - which was a good experience. 3 days later did you take this by itself?
Take it easy.
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
I just wanted to say that qualitative analytical determination of such a new compound would really suck.
I mean, do we even have basic data concerning the chemical and physical properties of this compound? (Melting range, refractive indexes of solutions at various concentrations, spectrophotometric absorbances, solubilities in various solvents at various temperatures, etc etc etc).
Without that data relative to an analytical standard, you have to employ techniques involving complex instrumentation that can only be properly interpreted by a highly skilled expert.
So unless somebody posts some conclusive data, personally I'll err on the side of safety for now.
hamhurricane
Bluelighter
So it's TCP with the piperidine replaced with a methylamino? Honestly it could be half decent, probably infinitely better with an ethyl though.
MrDoIt
Bluelighter
Hi Banjo. Yes thats correct. Whatever the stuff I have it was certainly alright mixed with the aMT - unless the aMT just over-rode the bad things that happened when I took it alone. Certainly time for a rest at any rate. Just a last word - Im just sure that something feels "not right" about this powder I received, still have over 400mg left and will not be touching it I reckon. Worst experience ever. Keep in mind idiosyncratic as Skyline mentioned - but not sure if I have the same stuff as everyone else has had. Thanks for your comments also Skyline - big help to me as really needed some opinion on this.
Lazyscience
Bluelighter
how do you guys think this compares with ketamine in terms of effects? ive never really tried ketamine so i cant compare but it interests me.
i had 100mg last night at about 8pm and for some reason couldnt sleep all night. still, i feel pretty good today. my mind isnt made up yet about this drug, its a bit mental and gives me some really weird thoughts and feelings like hallucinations made up basically of dark shapes and feeling like im floating. its extremely difficult to change a CD mid trip i discovered too.
i had 100mg last night at about 8pm and for some reason couldnt sleep all night. still, i feel pretty good today. my mind isnt made up yet about this drug, its a bit mental and gives me some really weird thoughts and feelings like hallucinations made up basically of dark shapes and feeling like im floating. its extremely difficult to change a CD mid trip i discovered too.
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Calla
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I had a little bit of this recently, and I have to say, I really enjoyed it! I have no ket experience whatsoever, and can't say that I was all that impressed by AMT (tastes rank, gives a horrible nausea, and takes forever to get rid of... I really don't enjoy being dopey and blurry-eyed 18 hours later!).
I'm female, 28, weigh 65kgs. I had 50mgs insufflated (no burn! no nasty suddden dry catching at the back of the throat like 2c-e!) lay down on my bed, and then floated off. I described it after to my OH like watching the credits to an animated movie, all black, and I was watching this little glowing blue space-invaders style spaceship zipping through space, sometimes changing shape, but always interesting. Nice body high, being in bed felt incredibly good, and I loved being snuggled up in the covers. Anyway, I was playing this internal movie for about an hour and a half, then came to again. Dozed for a bit (dozed might not be the right word, had my eyes closed and drifted back into my world to enjoy the epilogue to space invaders might be a better description!)
Had almost totally worn off after about 4 hours, and I took another 30mgs. Another really interesting little film strip - this time probably related to me thinking about a historical novel I'd been reading - as the few times I could be bothered to speak out loud I was muttering about siege engines and trebuchets and the like.
Again, I was away with the fairies for about an hour and a half, and some little doziness after. It didn't clear up exactly as before as my OH (who had been on something else before but whom I'd persuaded to try some with me this time) snuck out and took a second full dose wthout my knowing, thinking a "man" dose would work better than a "girly" dose... so when I came to, going "that was awesome!", he came to, terrified and pissed off... he'd sit bolt upright and exclaim "it feels like I'm stuck in a loop!" then I'd persuade him to lie down and try sleep it off. That would work for 30 seconds, then he'd sit up, stare wildly around and say "honey! It feels like I'm trapped in some kind of loop!" Time goes very slowly on it, so though it felt like an eternity to the poor guy, it was really only about 20 minutes.
I found that on something like 2c-e, sounds affect you differently, but on this, sounds stayed pretty much the same, though reality twisted and shifted around a lot. Hearing each other's voices kept us grounded. Helps that we really trust each other, I think some of the weirdness could have been a lot worse if we hadn't relied on each other telling us everything was ok, and checking in from time to time.
For example, I found my guy struggling to get out the front door to go to work. It was 5.30am, dark outside, and he was stark bollock naked. I had enough of a toehold on reality to snatch the key out before he unlocked it, and throw it away, but when I told him that it wasn't time to go to work yet, he listened to me and followed me back to the bedroom (for both of us, like trying to walk on the deck of a ship in a storm. Tricky to keep balance). I shudder to think what would have happened if he'd been persuaded that my voice was an aural hallucination...
So in total: worth trying, a lot of fun if you keep within the recommended range of doses for your weight and drug tolerance, but it DOES mess up reality and you should always play carefully with stuff like that.
I'm female, 28, weigh 65kgs. I had 50mgs insufflated (no burn! no nasty suddden dry catching at the back of the throat like 2c-e!) lay down on my bed, and then floated off. I described it after to my OH like watching the credits to an animated movie, all black, and I was watching this little glowing blue space-invaders style spaceship zipping through space, sometimes changing shape, but always interesting. Nice body high, being in bed felt incredibly good, and I loved being snuggled up in the covers. Anyway, I was playing this internal movie for about an hour and a half, then came to again. Dozed for a bit (dozed might not be the right word, had my eyes closed and drifted back into my world to enjoy the epilogue to space invaders might be a better description!)
Had almost totally worn off after about 4 hours, and I took another 30mgs. Another really interesting little film strip - this time probably related to me thinking about a historical novel I'd been reading - as the few times I could be bothered to speak out loud I was muttering about siege engines and trebuchets and the like.
Again, I was away with the fairies for about an hour and a half, and some little doziness after. It didn't clear up exactly as before as my OH (who had been on something else before but whom I'd persuaded to try some with me this time) snuck out and took a second full dose wthout my knowing, thinking a "man" dose would work better than a "girly" dose... so when I came to, going "that was awesome!", he came to, terrified and pissed off... he'd sit bolt upright and exclaim "it feels like I'm stuck in a loop!" then I'd persuade him to lie down and try sleep it off. That would work for 30 seconds, then he'd sit up, stare wildly around and say "honey! It feels like I'm trapped in some kind of loop!" Time goes very slowly on it, so though it felt like an eternity to the poor guy, it was really only about 20 minutes.
I found that on something like 2c-e, sounds affect you differently, but on this, sounds stayed pretty much the same, though reality twisted and shifted around a lot. Hearing each other's voices kept us grounded. Helps that we really trust each other, I think some of the weirdness could have been a lot worse if we hadn't relied on each other telling us everything was ok, and checking in from time to time.
For example, I found my guy struggling to get out the front door to go to work. It was 5.30am, dark outside, and he was stark bollock naked. I had enough of a toehold on reality to snatch the key out before he unlocked it, and throw it away, but when I told him that it wasn't time to go to work yet, he listened to me and followed me back to the bedroom (for both of us, like trying to walk on the deck of a ship in a storm. Tricky to keep balance). I shudder to think what would have happened if he'd been persuaded that my voice was an aural hallucination...
So in total: worth trying, a lot of fun if you keep within the recommended range of doses for your weight and drug tolerance, but it DOES mess up reality and you should always play carefully with stuff like that.
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