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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy MET Thread

I've been there Samadhi. Just keep pluggin' away and you'll find the time eventually. It isn't so much the lack of tripping that gets me down when the workload really piles up, rather it's the lack of time to reflect on the big picture and pursue all those fascinating ideas that psychedelics have opened you up to. The time will come for you and MET. There's no rush.

<3
 
3nd trial with MET IM (50 mg)

My relationship with this chemical seems to be up and down. My previous experience with 30 mg IM was fantastic, but that was undoubtedly enhanced by the great set and setting (see the previous page in this thread for details). This time, I wasn’t 100% intent on tripping, but it was my only chance for another few months so I figured I’d give it a try anyway. What’s an hour or two anyway on a slow Saturday night?

Initially I was into it, but the intensity escalated quickly. The peak occurred around the 5-10 minute mark. I attempted to listen to music, but it failed to provide much comfort; my thoughts were becoming more chaotic and the music seemed distant. I ventured outside for some fresh air and nearly threw up, at which point I was seriously regretting my decision. My mind-set oscillated between neutral and negative.

The visuals were outstanding, particularly with eyes closed, somewhat reminiscent of DPT, but not quite as lavish. MET engaged the visual system more selectively that DPT, which seems to spill over into a more encompassing synaesthetic experience. My one DPT experience was with a very high dose, so I can't be sure that I’m making a legitimate distinction. I felt more comfortable with eyes open; the alien visuals would quickly become overwhelming when I closed my eyes.

There were orderly arrangements of geometric faces marching in circles. Their mouths seemed to be opening and closing, and inside each mouth there was a brilliant white light. This was impressive, but not enjoyable, at least in my state of mind. At this time, for about the first 30 minutes, I was definitely resisting the compound. Each time a mouth opened it gave me this unpleasant impression that I was losing part of myself, or losing touch with reality. Needless to say this whole experience was powerfully psychedelic. The mouth phenomenon or sensations of opening and closing was very similar to my experience with 25 mg IM on top of a moderate dose of 4-ho-dmt, but completely different from my experiences with 30 mg IM and another with vaporization. Also, I felt more unsteady and shaky than with previous trials. Perhaps it's important to note that I had taken 4.5 mg hydergine 4 hours prior (no piracetam though).

I wasn't incredibly observant with respect to the chronology, but the plateau seemed to last just under an hour, with aftereffects keeping me awake for another two. I felt much better, actually great, as the plateau began to fade. The aftereffects were quite pleasant. And one more thing ... I experienced some significant pain and swelling in my left arm about 30 min post injection. I suspect the solution may have been too concentrated and caused some kind of hyperosmotic response in the tissue. I used a 2:1 ratio of MET to citric acid, distilled water, a micron filter, and checked the pH, but for some reason my body did not react well. I also remember tasting citrate on my tongue, but wasn't sure if it was real or hallucination. The swelling has completely resolved this morning, and there is a very minimal amount of tenderness. Anyone have any ideas for why this happened? I may come back to MET some day, but I think it's going in long-term storage for now. Despite my wide range of experiences, I must say it’s definitely a worthwhile compound.

P.S. Samadhi, I recommend starting at 30-40 mg for your first try with this compound if you go with IM admin. 50 mg may be a bit much. ;)

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Wow thanks for the details, Dondante! It makes me look forward more to it!

I believe I will start with 30mg for a first trial, since I would then have enough to do a 50mg trial with (and then its gone for me probably)-

I PMed you btw-

peas and love friend,
SS
 
Yeah, thanks for another IM report. I think it’s just you and one other person whose done IM, and your reports are far more comprehensive. Barring the still unexplored (to my knowledge) oral MAOI route, IM is obviously the way to go. You made comparisons to your aMT/DPT trip. Does this comparison apply just to this last trip or to all of your MET experiences? I just assumed IM MET would be closer in character to IM DMT than anything else.

I’m always fascinated by symbols during trips that are consistent over time and experience because their consistency implies deeper psychological representation. Your mind settled on geometric faces traveling in circles (did they form a ring around you (like a trap) or around arbitrary points in space?) whose luminescent mouths open in time to increasing ego dissolution. It’s unfortunate that such a beautiful vision was so unpleasant, but I can see how it could be threatening. I imagine the opening mouths could seem like a disembodied entity that’s predatorily consuming your sense of self and reality for its own “illuma-nutritive” sustenance. Mmmm… souls.

Maybe try it in combination with a "positive push" psychedelic?
 
Psood0nym said:
You made comparisons to your aMT/DPT trip. Does this comparison apply just to this last trip or to all of your MET experiences? I just assumed IM MET would be closer in character to IM DMT than anything else.
It applies to both my recent 50 mg IM trip and my MET/4-ho-dmt trip. The lower dose trips were closer to DMT, although the length makes it hard to compare. Also, I haven’t had all that much experience with DMT, and only one with DPT, which was a combination as you mentioned.

Psood0nym said:
I imagine the opening mouths could seem like a disembodied entity that’s predatorily consuming your sense of self and reality for its own “illuma-nutritive” sustenance. Mmmm… souls.
Ha, right on. It was those damn self-transforming machine elves that McKenna always rants about, except these ones were hungry! They actually looked more like self-transforming Pac-Man creatures … chomp, chomp, chomp!

A similar vision was something like a steam whistle on a train, popping open and closing. I was having a jack-in-the-box type startle reaction to these hallucinations too … dododododo, Pop! Ahhh! There was a damn circus going on inside my head! 8o

Psood0nym said:
Maybe try it in combination with a "positive push" psychedelic?
I could see potential there ... LSD + DMT was the greatest combination I've experienced thus far, so I imagine LSD + MET would be good as well. Also, AMT or MDMA could potentially augment MET very nicely.
 
Dondante said:
Ha, right on. It was those damn self-transforming machine elves that McKenna always rants about, except these ones were hungry! They actually looked more like self-transforming Pac-Man creatures … chomp, chomp, chomp!
And Pac-Man eats souls! Coincidence? I think not. We're through the looking glass here people...
fasteddie said:
MET was the first tryptamine I ever tried.

It seemed to me lots milder than DET, which I tried a few years later.
That's unusual. You may very well be the only person in all of human history for whom MET was their first tryptamine (at least at the time you did it years ago). What few reports there are on MET make it sound to me like it's similar to DET--based on what few reports there are of that substance. Have you written a trip report? If not please do!
 
I smoked 10mg of this chemical a few days ago just to get an idea of what it is like before I IM it (soon I hope). It was way more shroom-like than I thought it would be. It took about 60 seconds to come on after smoking it, which was very different from DMT (which starts almost immediately). I thought I had just taken too little a dose, but then I looked outside and the branches started twirling around outside and were very saturated with color. Also CEVs appeared (different from DMT again).

Funny thing about those branches, they have stayed saturated with color ever since that trip. Its amazing how psychedelics can help us notice the beauty of reality.
 
I look forward to hearing about that IM report. MET is one of the few substances I'm still considering buying. Dondante's experience with it is interesting, as it seems to vacillate between being DMT-like and DPT-like at lower and higher doses respectively; I'm searching for a chemical that can bridge that gap so I can use DMT, substance x, and DPT all at once and have a more unified experience than just DMT and DPT together can provide. I'm also curious to know what an oral trip would be like with a MAOI.
 
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yes, but it does not replace DMT (who ever thought it would seriously). It is like DPT that it is 'hard' on your body, if you know what I mean, compared to the translucent nature of DMT (in, out, clean body), the synthetic tryptamines sometimes leave my body a little 'agitated' (I'm thinking mainly DPT and 5-meo-DMT here).
 
Takes longer for your brain to sweep up the mess after the party too no doubt. Still, in the abscence of the ever-elusive DET, MET is probably going to have to jump into my homologic daisy chain fantasy to replace it.
 
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The MET Appreciation Thread.

First of all, some background information:

I have limited experience with tryptamines. I have done psilocybin a handful of times, DPT once or twice (didn't get off due to underdosage error, my bad),
4-OH-MIPT (very good at very high dosages), 4-OH-DIPT (inactive) and MET once. (I have tons of experience with LSD, but LSD is an ergoline, not a proper tryptamine per se.) And I have yet to experience DMT or 5-MeO-DMT.

Also, chemically speaking, MET (N-ethyl-N-methyltryptamine) should be abbreviated EMT because E comes before M alphabetically, but somehow that's not the name this compound has wound up with, and besides, EMT also stands for Emergency Medical Technician (or Ambulance driver).

However, let me say that my experience with MET was extremely positive, with good visuals, nice bella donna type pupil dilation, and gentle, emphathetic, transcendental insights thrown in for good measure. It was not the mind-blowing, DMT-like experience which I was expecting, and there was none of the uncontrollability and excitement of a peak shrooms experience. In fact, MET to me felt quite a lot like MDMA in certain respects. There was a woody overtone to the chemical, if that makes any sense. The smoke, however, was unbelievably harsh.

So, my point is, I guess, if you ever get a chance to try MET, don't pass it up. It is a highly worthwhile chemical!
 
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The thing I loved most about MET was the very beautiful CEVs near the end of the trip (probably there at the beginning but I didn't take time to notice them cause I was tripping too hard puking my negativity out and inhaling LOVE from the mountain wind! <3).

The CEVs were like a very delicate jewel lattice structure...if I relaxed they would emerge...if I tensed up...they would fade away....it promoted a very peaceful state of relaxation, curled up into a fetal position on the clifftop I was on during my trip.
 
psood0nym said:
Maybe try it in combination with a "positive push" psychedelic?
I tried that this weekend with methylone and it was HEAVENLY. On the tail end (still empathetic effects) we smoked a joint (mj) with about 25mg of MET sprinkled in. We shared the joint and both had a very, very, very pleasant trip. The CEVs were amazing...and for me at least, MET visuals are much more 'delicate' than DMT...crystaline, ethereal, gossamer.

I really like this stuff...for low doses, it is extremely gentle and deep.

my friend and I had a very positive afterglow/uplifting feeling the entire next day and now persisting into today :D
 
I finally had a pleasant experience with this stuff this past weekend. Smoking it never got me anywhere, except making me nervous and searing my throat. As a small amount of MDMA was wearing off I IV'd 10mg, then 15mg. It was fantastic... didn't slam e like I thought it might. It came on fairly gradually. I didn't even really feel it come on so much as see it.

The bed I was sitting on started to undulate, then patterns appeared all over every surface of he the room. I didn't get moved off into what felt like some sort of physical construct like I do with DMT. I guess the dose might have been low for that.

If I had more I'd try to see if I could "break through" as with DMT. Has that happened to anyone?
 
I'm gonna try to breakthrough on an IV dose also. I like you injected 10mg (but stayed at that with no bump up). It was minor but definitely active (CEVs were amazing).

I'm really blown away by the CEVs from this stuff...so delicate and beautiful to behold. It blew away my friend also who felt like she was 'building a dream' during our trip.

fizzacyst, do you have the HCL that you are trying to smoke? The freebase works SO easily (i smoke it on joints and in bowls).
 
I had the freebase, salted it out for injection.

I just couldn't smoke it. It might have been the pipe I was using (ball on a stick type that a lot of people use for meth), but I didn't want to contaminate or have to clean out another piece.
 
i don't understand it then, do you have the same problem with DMT (it sounds like you're making a point about MET in particular or are you just making a point about smoking simple tryptamines in general).

its to be expected that you might get a thick paste like coating in your mouth, a harsh feeling in your lungs, and slightly burning lips (smoking a LOT of tryptamines at once will do this I've found no matter what the chemical is).

That's why I like to IV them. But, I'll leave that aside for.

IV tryptamines is "a new way to say hurray" :D
 
Well, not really. The other pipes I didn't want to contaminate had DMT and DPT base resin in them. Those worked well. The DPT works pretty much perfectly with one of those ("glass dicks" or whatever you want to call them). The DMT... not so much. I mean, it works, but I have a hard time heating the glass properly, etc. Its much easier for me to smoke it with a flame on some plant matter. I don't care if its wasting some.. when I have it I have plenty, and it gets me to That Place every single time.

The MET was just too harsh on my mouth/throat/lungs. I don't know why it bothers me more than the others.

I kind of hate to be the IV psychedelic advocate or anything, but it works like... infinitely better for me that way. I must say, starting out a trip that intense with that god awful wretched mothball taste in you mouth and some pain is not the best way to start out at all.

But I've not tried DMT IV... I'm really sort of afraid of DMT to be honest unless I'm on MDMA. I mean, its FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC once I get there. but getting there scares the piss out of me. The thought of IVing DPT is just too much for me to even consider. It was bitchslapped me too many times.

I do get tingly lips/numbness to a slight degree, and a film in my mouth. and yes, it rapes my lungs.

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stuck DIPT in there instead of DPT. big difference. oops.
 
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even super pure stuff still aggravates my lung tissue. its not worth smoking more than like 25mg at a time. If I want to breakthrough I'll have a needle/wheel filter ready.

I haven't IVed DMT either, it should be the best one to IV I think.

praise tryptamines

ps I agree that MET vapor is harsher than DMT or DPT. I wonder what DET vapor is like? (gosh I wish I could try that last one in the DMT/DET 'bridge'!).
 
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