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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Mescaline Extraction thread

Problem with peruvian torch extract

Ok so I did an isopropyl alcohol extraction of 60 grams of peruvian torch cactus. I did several pulls with 70% isopropyl, letting it sit for about 12 hours each time. Anyway, I strained the liquid into a pyrex baking dish and hair dried it til all the alcohol was out.

At this point, I put the remaining water and alkaloid mixture into the oven at 200 degrees F. When I thought it looked like it was completely dry, I took it out. It looked like a very oily, hard resin.

So I took a razor blade and tried to start removing the resin, but it was nearly impossible to get any out. This stuff was hard as a rock, and when I did get some out it would go flinging across the room. So I figured I would add some water and heat it up a little bit to make it easier to scrape out. After I did this, it was still very difficult to get out, but i ended up getting about half out. So to get as much as possible, I just added a good amount of water(probably like a cap full) and was able to get about 80% of it out. However, a good bit still stuck to the bottom no matter what I did.

As I was scraping it up, I was putting the resin onto parchment paper. However, my problem now is that I have parchment paper with very liquidy cactus extract attached to it, and I don't even know how I can consume it at this point. I have already lost a good amount of yield because of the bottom part that wouldn't come off, and all the resin that stuck to my finger and the razor. So I want to salvage as much as I can and at least be able to have a fairly decent trip. My problem was probably adding water, since even only a little bit seemed to make it into a an unmanageable gooey mess, but without water, It wouldn't budge. However, I did notice that the little i got off without adding water was a very nice consistency, and wouldn't have caused this problem

So I was hoping someone could help me out here and explain how I can salvage this liquidy resin that is attached to parchment paper. I added a picture to show what I mean.

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i had this exact same problem!

i was going to do the evaporation on edible material instead of directly on glass the second time around (ie. sushi seaweed or something similar) but never got around to trying it. made a thread about it here.

did you start with fresh cuttings or dried chips? it's a lot less gummy with the dried stuff.

anyways i can't help you much but an old baking trick for working with sticky substances is to sprinkle a little flour on them and your fingertips. working with the flour you can roll the resin into little balls which can be swallowed without much flavor. my yields from ethanol weren't very great ... i had to eat a lot of resin.
 
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it's because you baked it onto the dish. too much evaporating. next time if you use an oven to get the remaining water out, don't go above 150, and don't do it any longer than you need too. keep an eye on that sucker.

i dunno about your parchment paper dilemma...maybe use a rubber spatula, or seomthing soft/plastic to gently scrape it onto some tissue and parachute it. use latex gloves too.
 
PD handles topics regarding psychoactive plants and extractions, so I'll shoot this over to their backyard.
 
I find cactus extract dries hard. It's just par for the course. If you work at it you'll get it chipped out.

The norm is to use a higher alcohol concentration though (over 90 preferably 99). Maybe that might work better in the future.
 
PepperSocks said:
I find cactus extract dries hard. It's just par for the course. If you work at it you'll get it chipped out.

The norm is to use a higher alcohol concentration though (over 90 preferably 99). Maybe that might work better in the future.
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99% EtOH?

Is possible outside of very specific lab conditions, if even possible then?
 
I believe he was referring to isopropyl alcohol (as is mentioned in OP's post).

Most available IPA is 70% or 91% that I've seen, and I would imagine taking 91% to 99% with a drying agent would be pretty simple.
 
8ft-Sativa said:
Okay, I have a question I would be very gratefull for an answer.

So there's 100g and 300mls water in this tek. 1ml of water = 1 gram, so could I use 400g of fresh blended cacti with no water for this tek in place of 100g dried and 300mls of water?

I have fresh cacti and have no absoloutly way of drying it. And just need an answer on this before I go ahead.

Regards!
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I know this is late, but I would be cautious. Using too much water causes the cacti-matter to become an inseperable goo. I fucked up my last attempt doing this.

Also, I'm guessing 400g of fresh cactis will be less than 100g's dried.
Help?!?! said:
I always use a coffee filter although I wish I had a french press it seems like it would make it 100 times easier.
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How long does it usually take you for each pull using coffee filters?



Also, does anyone know if it is possible to perform an ISO extractact, and then further purify the black ISO-tar using limonene/vinegar? Would the calcium hydroxide still be necessary?
 
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jam uh weezy said:
I know this is late, but I would be cautious. Using too much water causes the cacti-matter to become an inseperable goo. I fucked up my last attempt doing this.

Also, I'm guessing 400g of fresh cactis will be less than 100g's dried.
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Cheers! no it's not too late!
 
Right now I still have the result of a crude extraction and some supposedly potent cactus powder primarily from skin tissue. In the (hopefully nearby) future I plan on acquiring some more cactus and in the meanwhile proceed with what I have now, a modest amount.
Basically my plans are:
- Isopropyl alcohol extraction (done a part already)
- Defat? Acid/base wash?
- Dissolving in such a thing as toluene or DCM if I'm correct, then precipitate with concentrated sulphuric acid
- Freeze precipitation followed by frozen buchner funnel filtration
- In future when I have more and want pretty big crystal shards simple re-X from ethanol
evapping in freezer.

These seem like relatively easy steps scraped together for an excellent product!!

My questions: what do you think about the steps, and what are the solvents that work for mescaline freebase? Actually I'd appreciate all you guys' info on solvents
 
love_sex_desire said:
How much tea per foot of San Pedro do you get with this method?

I'd give it a shot rather than trying the alcohol extraction, if you don't have to drink much.
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Its really up to you. More water means you have to spend longer steaming it off at lot heat. It really depends on how much fluid you want to drink. Dont let it burn!

daysonatrain said:
this is basically the process i have used. but one question... why rapid boil the second extraction? i know that mescaline is heat stable, but i always kept the boil to a very low boil, just in case... does the second rapid boil technique seem to extract more from "deeper" in the cactus or something? i cant really think of a reason for it.

also, i have had great success with several freeze/thaw cycles, i think this is essential for extracting the maximum mescaline content. pretty sure someone else mentioned this as well a while ago (maybe changed, dont remember though), he said on several occasions he did an extraction without freezing/thawing with less than satisfactory results, but worked wonderfully when he implemented the freeze/thaw technique. i have found this to certainly be true, it also seems to make the boiling process easier.
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Yes, the freeze/thaw cycle is essential for maximum extraction via any of the available kitchen methods. You are just not getting access to all the mescaline if you dont break the cell wall, and the drying method of breaking the cell wall causes the mescaline to degrade some.

I suppose you dont 'have' to boil the second or third rounds at high heat, but the important thing is that you get at least one extract at low heat. I have no idea what chemicals are extracted at low heat that dissolve at high heat, but the quality of the experience is different when you separate out the low heat boil. After that, you just extract more of the heavier or more stable stuff faster at higher heat and the low heat stuff seems to extract fairly quickly in the first round.

There is more to San Pedro than mescaline. There might even be a potentiator in the skin from what I hear (which goes against some of the common trends of peeling and discarding to get at the nice dark green matter).


Mescaline is the most perfect medicine as far as I am concerned....too bad it doesnt take my physical pain away or it would be my drug of choice. Its amazing how something can feel awesome like mescaline, be non addictive, maker you feel better instead of worse the next day, and open your mind rather than cloud it. Its good stuff!
 
the extraction is just to reduce the amount of the terrible taste volume right? and the core is trash. so i'll remove the core and eat the rest of my 12''er without the spines. my stomach will break the cell walls jus fine right?
 
Ender- said:
Dried cactus?
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no, its a live cutting, i kind want to start it but i dont have the appropriate soil or a stable enough housing situation to care for another plant(i know, i know, it's a cactus...). i bought it for the purpose of consuming it, and i saw a documentary where the native american removed the spines, and threw away everything but the green btwn the skin and core. i dont got time for all the boiling and chemistry, because i gotta turn myself in right after my package arrives.
 
So I can just go get a cactus from my family-owned nursery? And somehow get mescaline out of it? What?

I'm confused.
 
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