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The Big & Dandy Medication/Supplement Interaction Thread

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Personal experience of Anatman says that a relatively low dose (10-12mg) on two occassions of the tryptamine 4-Hydroxy-DiIsopropyl-Tryptamine was not in the least way affected by 40mg daily of the SSRI citalopram (celexa).

However, in one case 4 bloody maries with about 4oz vodka each were able to make A pass out around the peak of and sleep through his trip.
 
kinetic said:
i agree that those with depression problems should stay away from psychedelics.

I actually disagree with that. There is certainly a risk of making things worse by using psychedelics, but they could also be helpful.

At the time of my first trip, I had been extremely depressed and suicidal for about four years. Antidepressants did nothing to help, some made the problem even worse. My first trip was on 12 HBWR seeds. The trip it self was the most unpleasant I had ever had, but toward the end it turned into a beautiful experience. My depression was completely lifted for several weeks. When it returned, it never got as bad as it was before that trip. I have not really been suicidal since then. My depression was not cured, but it was drastically reduced.

Psychedelics have been the only effective treatment for my depression.


I did not find 5-meo-amt to be as good as other psychedelics for reducing depression. It often did not help at all. The trip was not very interesting either.

I would be worried about the possibility of having a seizure when mixing with wellbutrin. There are reports of seizures from using 5-meo-amt and other psychedelics, and wellbutrin lowers the seizure threshold. There is one report on erowid of 5-meo-dipt combined with wellbutrin resulting in severe pains, spasms, and a pulse dropping to about 50 bpm. That was with only 10mg 5-meo-dipt, a fairly low dose.

Erowid has this to say: "Some users have reported unpleasant effects when taking psychedelics with daily doses of bupropion but other regular bupropion users have reported no adverse side effects when combined with LSD, Psilocybin Mushrooms, etc. Combinations of strong psychoactives may increase the health risks."

I would be very careful combining any psychedelic with bupropion, starting with a very low dose.
 
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I would agree with Tryptamine Dreamer, but dont underestimate their potential to really send some one over the edge. I have seen very depressed friends go off the deep end on Tryptamines, specifically LSD. They honestly believed that tripping was helping their depression but it was just totally screwing up their perspectives. When I would ask how they were integrating all the knowledge they gained into daily sober life the answer would always be the same bullshit "I am working on it soon" or "hey look whats on TV, and hit this bong". I think psych's generally make disorders worse and the OP is obviously severely F'ed in the head. Just read through his posts, they are almost totally unintelligable and very comfrontational. I have no clue what you would need all of those anti-depressants for but you don't need to fuck with your neurochemistry anymore. Take everyones advice and don't trip untill your head is sorted out.
 
all i know is that antidepressents reverse the effects of (for sure i know)>"Tryptamines"..not sure about phens. But there's no real worry in that now, is there...because both AMT, and that shitty ass crap 5-meo-amt are tryptamines.
 
ergolines and MAOi's

yes its been discussed, but last time I checked I was the only one to ever comment on this type of combination, anyone else want to share tehre expereinces trying to potentiate LSD and the likes?
 
My last LSD trip I potentiated it with pure ergoloid mesylates (I've also potentiated 2CB with ergoloid mesylates to semi-disasterous results). The one hit I took I was told was very pure LSD; it was the strongest LSD trip I've ever had in my life (I've never taken more than one hit at a time though since I am somewhat sensitive to LSD).

I would suggest trying to potentiate it with hydergine (ergoloid mesylates) or piracetam before I would suggest using an MAOI. In fact, I would probably suggest just taking more LSD, but I gather you are trying to manipulate the subjective experience and looking for something more than just a simple intensification in intensity...?
 
I was reading a book with a bunch of references to LSD +MAOI (and also psilocybin +MAOI) and it kept talking about making the trip much more 'animal-like' (I believe they were using harmaline/harmine). I can't for the life of me remember the title though.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
My last LSD trip I potentiated it with pure ergoloid mesylates (I've also potentiated 2CB with ergoloid mesylates to semi-disasterous results). The one hit I took I was told was very pure LSD; it was the strongest LSD trip I've ever had in my life (I've never taken more than one hit at a time though since I am somewhat sensitive to LSD).

I would suggest trying to potentiate it with hydergine (ergoloid mesylates) or piracetam before I would suggest using an MAOI. In fact, I would probably suggest just taking more LSD, but I gather you are trying to manipulate the subjective experience and looking for something more than just a simple intensification in intensity...?
well I did because I read something about it and wanted to see what the hell they were talking about, then after I did it I got some friends to do it (the first time being DOI blotter by accedent WHOOPS! but this was befor I got sorces and had to get what I could get), Iv also tried it with HBWR seeds. More geometric patterning and a fuck load more of a mind fuck seems to be the difference, as well as extending the trip to +14 hours.

this was all done with either rue seeds or an extract from them. I wonder if it's like ayahuasca where cappi seems to play a huge roll in what type of plant you use for the MAOi's?

either way, I just wanted to hear some other peoples experiences. as Im sure some other psychonauts have done this.


Actualy, for a short period of time I was using rue seeds, combined with HBWR and DMT to give an experience not that much different then LSD alone, but I wasnt near as experienced with LSD as I am now and realy it wasnt that much like it in terms of smooth come up and platueing into a blender of thought.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
I was reading a book with a bunch of references to LSD +MAOI (and also psilocybin +MAOI) and it kept talking about making the trip much more 'animal-like' (I believe they were using harmaline/harmine). I can't for the life of me remember the title though.
yeah, I could see it being animal like as in "altered states" type deal.
 
For some reason MAOi's intimidate me.
From everything that i have read on them it makes it seem like they arent the type of drug you would want to be playing around with. Lots of precautions need to be taken and there is a fine line between the right dose and an overdose.

I think i will save my MAOi experience for when im ready to take ayahuasca (and perhaps with mushrooms and dpt aswell, but not anytime soon).

Also i wouldnt want to alter the beauty of an LSD trip in any way.


EDIT: i lied. On occasion i like to mix my LSD with mdxx, ketamine, nitrous, marijuana or dmt. And soon i look forward to trying it with 2cb.
 
Delsyd said:
For some reason MAOi's intimidate me.
From everything that i have read on them it makes it seem like they arent the type of drug you would want to be playing around with. Lots of precautions need to be taken and there is a fine line between the right dose and an overdose.

I think i will save my MAOi experience for when im ready to take ayahuasca (and perhaps with mushrooms and dpt aswell, but not anytime soon).

Also i wouldnt want to alter the beauty of an LSD trip in any way.


EDIT: i lied. On occasion i like to mix my LSD with mdxx, ketamine, nitrous, marijuana or dmt. And soon i look forward to trying it with 2cb.
well, for some people LSD wasnt enough:p nah, its plenty

I just realy wnated to see what it would be like, not something I do on any regular basis. Speaking of which though I might be meeting up with soem BLighters, maybe I could convence them to do it with me
 
I once added yohimbine (mild MAOI with some psychedelic properties) to an acid trip...took it just after the peak...and it really added a unique dimension to the experience. It added a 'jungle trip' aspect. I'd be very curious to add some harmine or harmaline sometime to an LSD experience...see how similar it would be...if I can ever be bothered to take LSD again (I don't really care for it anymore.)
 
I did morning glory seeds and rue. I got sick for a bit and I suppose the trip was a bit more intense but I didn't find it worth repeating. I've read glowing reports from others though. I used a cold water extraction of the seeds and made a tea from ground rue seeds.
 
LSD + Prozac

Yo anyone knows if prozac enhance lsd effect?
I heard it was a very powezrfull enhancer, anyone tried?
 
Not speaking from personal experience, but I think you'd find it'd reduce the effects slightly - especially if you have a prescription of prozac
 
khaosddt said:
Yo anyone knows if prozac enhance lsd effect?
I heard it was a very powezrfull enhancer, anyone tried?

Powerful enhancer? I don't know who told you that but it's definitely not true. I've had first-hand experience with LSD and SSRI's, and I think it would definitely be a waste of your time and money to use LSD while on them. Not all the effects are completely muted, but I can assure you that you wont get anything out of the experience.
 
WillowTrees said:
Powerful enhancer? I don't know who told you that but it's definitely not true. I've had first-hand experience with LSD and SSRI's, and I think it would definitely be a waste of your time and money to use LSD while on them. Not all the effects are completely muted, but I can assure you that you wont get anything out of the experience.

Based on the experiences of others, I find the part in bold to be extremely misleading and downright wrong. I have read countless reports of people who have done serotoninergic psychedelics while on SSRIs and still found the experience to have been extremely enlightening, albeit a little less intense than when they weren't on SSRIs (if they had taken a psychedelic at that time, of course).
 
The acute effects of monoamine reuptake inhibitors
on the stimulus effects of hallucinogens
by
Winter JC, Helsley S, Fiorella D, Rabin RA
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology,
School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences,
State University of New York at Buffalo, 14214-3000, USA.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1999 Jul; 63(3):507-13

ABSTRACT

In a previous study it was observed that fluoxetine potentiates the stimulus effects of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). In the present investigation, stimulus control was established in groups of rats using as training drugs the hallucinogens lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD); 0.1 mg/kg), (-)-2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine [(-)-DOM; 0.56 mg/kg], ibogaine (10 mg/kg), and 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT; 3 mg/kg). A two-lever, fixed-ratio 10, positively reinforced task with saline controls was employed. The hypotheses tested were that (a) monoamine uptake inhibitors other than fluoxetine potentiate the discriminative effects of LSD, and (b) hallucinogens other than LSD are potentiated by acute pretreatment with monoamine uptake inhibitors. The effects of a range of doses of each of the training drugs were determined both alone and following pretreatment with the monoamine reuptake inhibitors fluoxetine, fluvoxamine, and venlafaxine. In LSD-trained subjects, all three reuptake inhibitors caused a significant increase in LSD-appropriate responding. Similar results were observed in rats trained with (-)-DOM and with ibogaine. In 5-MeO-DMT-trained subjects, only fluoxetine resulted in an enhancement of drug-appropriate responding. The reuptake inhibitors given alone elicited varying degrees of responses appropriate for the respective training drugs. For fluoxetine in rats trained with LSD and ibogaine, for venlafaxine in LSD trained, and for fluvoxamine in (-)-DOM trained, the degree of responding met our criterion for intermediate responding, i.e., significantly different from both training conditions. Subsequent experiments in (-)-DOM-trained subjects examined a range of doses of each of the reuptake inhibitors in combination with a fixed dose of (-)-DOM (0.1 mg/kg), which alone yielded about 50% (-)-DOM-appropriate responding. With the exception of the point obtained with the highest dose of venlafaxine, all data were compatible with additivity of effects rather than true potentiation. In summary, the present data extend our previous observation of the augmentation of the stimulus effects of LSD by fluoxetine to include other hallucinogens. The mechanisms by which these interactions arise and possible differential effects of acute and chronic treatment remain to be established.
 
I've been on Prozac and eaten loads of acid with no reduction of increase in effect at all that I could tell. As to fucking with brain chemistry, I think the Psychedelic Drug forum isn't really a releveant place for that discussion ;)
 
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