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The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread: Second Dose

Looking for some advice on how to test something that claims to be MDAI. Are TheAzo's posts from this thread still state of the art? I'm not confident that I can recognize the smell of cathinones (the M1 I've seen hasn't had a strong smell) but I do have Marquis, Simons, and Mecke reagents.
 
Subject 158lb male

Ingested ~220mg MDAI concurrently with 5mg MPH (ritalin.)

MDAI is dark brown & plastic tasting. Smells very much like plastic/rubber when dissolved in water.

Substance taken in water 2 hours after a full meal.

(m1 is methylone)

Alert within 20 mins. Feeling better but can't put my finger on why exactly. Nothing seems to have changed except my mood in a subtle but significant way. This quickly escalated into a very serene/calm feeling not unlike after an m1 peak. Things became quiet and lights looked more vibrant. Did not check if pupils were dilated or to what extent.

At 40 mins I feel FANFUCKINTASTIC. I can't explain why. Drug feels very very clean. Feels very much like when SSRIs kick in. Rolled a small amount of weed with tobacco. Feels and tastes great but one part of me is wondering why I'm harming myself with tobacco. Its appeal is not as apparent as when sober or on stimulants. The nicotine rush is also not as pleasant, making me a bit uneasy but I can't explain why exactly. It could be due to the fact that I've been chewing nicotine gum all day.

Took it while tired and still no energy present, actually with some somnolence developing when the MDAI kicked in. Feeling content doing work, dancing or just sitting around. Drug would be enhanced if taken upon waking up or after a nap.

Constant farting, burping, yawning. No stomach discomfort or headaches whatsoever. No appetite suppression. Friend who ingested same amount had the same symptoms. Also felt very chilly/cold but cannot tell whether this is m1 or MDAI. M1 does this to me as does weed/jwh.

After about 90 minutes noticed I became very engrossed in what I was doing and found myself being very detail oriented. Classic ritalin effects there.

Tobacco and JWH (73 and 18) feel great but leave me feeling stoned. Couch locked, especially the nicotine rush.

Very chatty and upbeat. Music and touch are enhanced but there is slight music-ADD. Constantly changing the song. Time seemed to go by quicker than usual as well.

As far as sex, I'm not sure I can keep it up in this state of mind? I can definitely get it up, but I may get distracted and see it shrivel up or get softer. I feel like I wouldn't be able to cum easily (much like methylone does on its own or SSRIs on their own. Could of been the ritalin/m1 here but considering that MDAI effects serotonin it plays a role here too.) Wish we had girls or any other friends over.. but not for anything intimate. Just a strong desire to connect with people, especially those who are hurt or seem discomforted or bothered by something. Classic m1.. attempt to invite a dozen girls/guys ALL result in no replies with "who the fuck texts/calls at 5 AM?!" replies the day after heh.

At the 2-3 hour mark snorted 50mg methylone. Within 20 mins I'm clenching and have dry mouth. Mood and energy are rising significantly. At the 4 hour mark I'm afraid of the m1 crash which doesn't come (though I'm not very susceptible to it at that dose.)

Snorted 75mg methylone again at the 5-6 hour mark with another increase in mood and confidence but short term memory is impaired slightly, but likely due to the weed and ritalin. Friend did a line and I followed suit. I had no strong desire to dose anything but also no regret or concern with dosing either.

Went out for a walk. Chilly but very pleasant and serene. No visuals but colors are vibrant, things are shiny, and the world looks like I'm on 1.5g of mushrooms or m1 (the vibrant colors were apparent before the m1 was insufflated however.) Does the world always look like this?

Effects lasted about 6 hours with no major comedown. Just a stronger desire to lay down/sleep but I can't stress how "clean" the high felt. If you've taken Celexa or Zoloft for 3-4 months it's very similar to when you wake up one day, take your med and suddenly realize that you just feel great. The yawning, somnolence, very significant mood lift and anxiolysis are quite similar to my experience with SSRIs. I can't emphasize the similarity enough. I also can't emphasize how "clean" the drug feels. There are people that feel like this everyday? No anxiety? Seriously? Not fair.

Instantly fell in love with this drug at the 1hr mark. I'm sensitive to serotonin-releasing agents or reuptake inhibitors and this made me feel whole, healthy, clean, happy, too happy, too normal and feeling as though this is the only drug I need. I felt that way with m1 but this is different.I felt sober, as if I've been taking a drug called anxiety my entire life, fantastic.

I like the fact that MDAI does not interfere with sleep and has no speediness to it. I can see why combining this with m1 or adderall or ritalin would feel like rolling. It does. At higher doses of m1/ritalin I can see myself rolling face but will keep away due to the (probably negligible) neurotoxicity.

Confidence and mood are through the roof. Diuretic effects present since the m1 was ingested. m1 definitely causes this but at this point I don't know if it's the m1 or MDAI making me want to pee. The urge happens suddenly and without warning, with no trouble using the bathroom. No trouble doing much of anything.

Next day: Feeling just as good as the day before but with somnolence and yawning throughout the day. No crash whatsoever, no harsh comedown, non-neurotoxic. This drug should be legal and would make an excellent replacement for alcohol. The mood lift you get from being tipsy minus every negative thing alcohol does along with +empathy and a strong anxiolytic effect.

When it was kicking in, I had the idea that MDAI should be prescribed for the first 3 weeks with SSRI therapy, until the SSRI kicks in and begins to overshadow (and block) the MDAI.

This and m1 (either alone or both together) are probably the best tools for enhancing social interaction and overcoming social anxiety. Glad the high doesn't wear off as quickly as m1 on its own.

*thats not necessary to share with the folks at home*

I can't see how people can hate this substance. It's definitely something I'd want to keep in my drug arsenal. The drug is recreational but more therapeutic and situational than m1/mdma. Situational meaning it has a lot of uses (i.e., job interview, social gathering, dating, PUA, and in any situation you'd want to diminish anxiety) Drug would probably be great for thrill sports and passive activities like fishing.

Purity? As far as I know, there's no such thing as white or gold MDAI. Those with bad reports about the drug who are ingesting something with no taste and without the dark coca-powder brown color may not be ingesting MDAI at all. I trust my vendor from all my prior experience with him. I don't know where people get the idea that all chemicals HAVE to be pure white. It's a logical theory but certainly incorrect. Iron Oxide and Lycopene are red, for instance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_of_chemicals
 
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How frequent can MDAI be used without too many problems (crash, burnout, depressed feelings), anyone know? Once a week, bi-weekly, monthly?
 
How frequent can MDAI be used without too many problems (crash, burnout, depressed feelings), anyone know? Once a week, bi-weekly, monthly?

who the heck knows? Not only are we dealing with RCs, but most vendors are scumbags cutting your drugs with shit—if they're giving you a single molecule of the drug you're buying at all. Not to mention the lack of quality control in the industry.

I'll be able to answer your question in due time however =D

For now, perhaps do research on other SSRAs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_releasing_agent

A few of the marketed SSRAs caused pulmonary hypertension and/or cardiac fibrosis with prolonged use. Though these were drugs made to be used daily, not weekly or biweekly.
 
some people complain that it just makes them want to curl up in a ball and relax and makes them feel like being antisocial, and i've experienced this myself, but i've found that if someone engages me in conversation then i snap out of it and get really into the conversation in an MDMA-like way.

In my report a few posts up, when I said tobacco made me feel a little uneasy and couch locked, I meant exactly what you describe here. I didn't feel antisocial so much. I didn't mind being with people, but I felt "stoned" like you would if you take a nicotine bong hit I would suppose (DO NOT try this!) I just wanted to lay down and not do anything, though talking came easy. This feeling wore off after 5-10 mins (probably went away along with the nicotine buzz?)

Like the other poster above, I also felt like if I was engaged in a convo, I would snap out of this daze and become chatty again. You also have to sort of force yourself to snap out of it by getting up and doing things.

This is somewhat similar to the somnolence I describe in my report above. I felt GREAT, but I just wanted to lay down. I get this on zoloft as well.. but again, if I can muster the mental energy to get up, I suddenly feel more energetic/chatty/upbeat.

I would assume coffee would help with this somewhat and alcohol, antihistamines, and other depressants would make it worse.

I'm interested in testing my MDAI's purity. Anyone know where I can send a sample to have it tested? preferably somewhere within the US.
 
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For those taking a combo of m1 + MDAI:

Why are you ingesting both at the same time? m1 kicks in within 10-15 mins for me, and comes down at the 1-2hr mark. MDAI kicks in at 20-30 mins and lasts at least 5 hours. When dosing both together, what happens when the m1 wears off?

I pose this question because my friend in my report above came down from the MDAI much sooner than me, but he had also taken nearly twice the amount of m1 I took so that may be why (or perhaps it's not related to that at all.)

I would assume it would be best to take the MDAI, wait 30 mins and then take the m1. I'm talking about m1 doses of 200mg+, not 50-75mg boosters. I'll be trying this on the weekend.
 
killerd: sorry, 2-AI simply does not have the effects you describe. it might be that your MDAI is not true MDAI, but it's not 2-AI.

Thanks to Killerd for your pennys worth, I havent research 2-AI so can't speak from experience. But I think, given that the dodgy brown MDAI appeared so soon after the Cathinone ban it IS possible that it's a mix of Meph & M1. This is still purely anecdoatal however. I didnt really like the original MDAI, but I DO like the new, white crystal. It's much more subtle, longer lasting & doesnt seem as "heavy". The comedown off the brown stuff is quite nasty ime
 
who the heck knows? Not only are we dealing with RCs, but most vendors are scumbags cutting your drugs with shit—if they're giving you a single molecule of the drug you're buying at all. Not to mention the lack of quality control in the industry.

I'll be able to answer your question in due time however =D

For now, perhaps do research on other SSRAs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_releasing_agent

A few of the marketed SSRAs caused pulmonary hypertension and/or cardiac fibrosis with prolonged use. Though these were drugs made to be used daily, not weekly or biweekly.

%) Thanks
 
My MDAI is so brown that I am seriously considering doing a recrystallization sometimes. It is a very fine dirt-colored powder.
 
How frequent can MDAI be used without too many problems (crash, burnout, depressed feelings), anyone know? Once a week, bi-weekly, monthly?

Like others have said, no one really knows. I would also love to know the answer to this question. However, based on my own experience, it seems like it can be used more often than MDMA. This is just speculation, and should not be assumed as fact. The closest I've ever spaced MDMA usage is 6 days and I felt like pure shit the day after the second roll and bad for a good 5 days afterward. I've used MDAI two days in a row, and only felt a little tired and off the next day. I've used it a week apart and it felt no different than it ever does. I realize that brain damage could be happening without me feeling it, but with MDMA, there's no doubt your head will get fucked if you abuse it.

I will say though that MDAI and a decent dose of adderall makes for a much worse comedown. However, MDAI and methylphenidate feels much better the next day. This makes sense since one study mentioned in this thread claimed that MDAI and a dopamine reuptake inhibitor creates little to no neurotoxicity. And even though methylphenidate is kinda lame on it's own as a recreational drug, it goes quite well with MDAI. The MDAI provides 95% of the fun, but the methylphenidate gives you that "get up and go" feeling that MDAI lacks on it's own. I suspect a large dose of caffeine would work nearly as well.
 
Well, a fine white powder arrived, labeled as MDAI. This is how it tested with the DS kit:



Suspicious. This looks more like some kind of cathinone.
 
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^ That's really suspicious. It is disgusting that vendors sell mislabeled chems:(

Did you get your "MDAI" from UK source?
 
Did you get your "MDAI" from UK source?
Yeah. I imagine they're dumping their old stock of mephedrone or whatever.

If I could tell exactly what it was, it might be worth keeping (Randy loves his M1), but this will probably have to go down the drain.
 
If you suspect it's a cathinone, it might be something good. Start with a tiny 1 mg dose to make sure it isn't something crazy, then slowly work your way up until you get to a good dose of whatever it is. If it's something shitty, you'll realize this before you take enough to have a really bad time. If you go about it in an intelligent fashion, you can keep yourself safe and have some fun along the way. Better than just flushing it.

Also, stuff like this could be why people have very different opinions on MDAI. As a lot of us have assumed, we aren't all actually getting the real deal. I should probably test the stuff I have just to be sure, but it acts the way MDAI is supposed to and it's damn fun regardless.
 
My MDAI is so brown that I am seriously considering doing a recrystallization sometimes. It is a very fine dirt-colored powder.

For the record, I want to say that my vendor is an industrial chemist who has the proper staff and equipment for synthesizing these RCs (he has been selling chemicals and supplies for years before getting into RCs), and based on my experience with his 2c*/m1 and other drugs compared to most vendors, I'd say his purity is top notch.

His MDAI is dark brown very much like coca baking powder (for making chocolate cake) or a brownie mix. He claims the purity at 98.9% and it's probably not that high but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. The fact that the chemical has a single consistency and very strong smell and taste (not a blend of flavors like tasting coke+baking soda) is also evidence leaning towards purity.

AFAIK the only "white MDAI" being sold online has tested positive for mephedrone and/or inorganic salts. zero MDAI.

I'm not a spectroscopist, and I know the color white symbolizes purity, but I feel there's no reason the drug should be white or clear. JWH-018 is white for instance, but 073 is very off-white. Same vendor. Based on a chemicals structure, it will absorb and reflect different wavelengths of light. Perhaps purer would be a bit lighter brown like the Erowid pic (though that could be the camera flash?)

I'm willing to send some in to get it tested so we can get some actual purity reports going. If you guys know a legitimate lab in the US where I can have this done, let me know.
 
How much Ritalin do you guys take per 100mg MDAI?

I'm thinking 5mg per 100mg MDAI is a good starting dose. I really don't want too much speediness and a crash (and the headaches ritalin gives me) but I feel ritalin is an excellent addition to the MDAI roll. Otherwise your pure MDAI 'rave' is a bunch of people sitting on the floor saying they feel fantastic but have no desire to move or do shit.
 
Perhaps purer would be a bit lighter brown like the Erowid pic (though that could be the camera flash?)
I've seen a video of MDAI running through the EZ Test kit, and the powder appeared tan/light brown, like Erowid's pic or the foam on a cup of hot cocoa. (Dark brown results from all 3 reagents.)
 
If you suspect it's a cathinone, it might be something good.
Well, that suspicion is mostly based on stories about shady UK vendors. The reaction doesn't really look like mephedrone, according to pics in this thread. Maybe naphyrone, or methedrone, or some weird combination of substances? Those all sound scary.
 
AFAIK the only "white MDAI" being sold online has tested positive for mephedrone and/or inorganic salts. zero MDAI.

The stuff I get is white and it isn't mephedrone and it most certainly isn't inactive. I don't have any of the normal testing reagents but I do have to pass drug tests that test for amphetamines. All cathinones I've tried have failed. The MDAI I buy passes. It feels like MDMA without any stimulation. That's all the evidence I have. However, I have no reason to suspect it isn't MDAI. Color doesn't seem to mean much of anything. I've had JWH-250 come white, tan, and pink from the same vendor and it all acted exactly the same. However, I'm not making the claim that all the white stuff is good. My only recommendation is find a good vendor and stick with them.

How much Ritalin do you guys take per 100mg MDAI?

I'm thinking 5mg per 100mg MDAI is a good starting dose. I really don't want too much speediness and a crash (and the headaches ritalin gives me) but I feel ritalin is an excellent addition to the MDAI roll. Otherwise your pure MDAI 'rave' is a bunch of people sitting on the floor saying they feel fantastic but have no desire to move or do shit.

I've only done this once but I found 36 mg of instant release methylphenidate to go well with 200 mg of MDAI. I have no tolerance to either substance. I would say that it was a good amount. I was quite stimulated but I was able to sleep 6-7 hours after ingestion with the help of some JWH and two 25 mg diphenhydramine sleeping pills. It was also a gradual comedown and not a hard crash.

I agree that combining a stimulant with MDAI is almost necessary for any kind of active event. I've tried MDPV, methylone, and methylphenidate. Methylone was quite good in combination and so was methylphenidate. MDPV crashed pretty bad, although I find MDPV to always do that. Methylone probably feels the best of those three in combination with MDAI, but you also get neurotoxicity from mixing a dopamine releaser with MDAI according to a study people keep linking to. It also fails my drug tests. Methylphenidate works pretty well and you feel decent the next day.
 
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