The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration
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RhythmSpring
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Look at www.erowid.org for basic dosage information. Me, I've had a few moderate trips at 7 seeds. If you want to go heavy to moderate, I'd up it to about 10-13.
Sound about right? http://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw_dose.shtml
Sound about right? http://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw_dose.shtml
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These, along with Morning Glory seeds, cause some extreme stomach discomfort, and that is what turns most people away from them. I usually just put up with the discomfort, as I eventually get used to it, and truly stop caring once I'm tripping, but everybody is different. I'd recommend maybe having some Tums or Pepto Bismal on hand, as those may possibly help ease the discomfort.
johannes kreisler
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....I throw an awful(ly long) comeup and annoying vasoconstriction in....
Delsyd
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5-10 seeds is a good dose depending on your seeds potency.
Start low and work your way up.
Start low and work your way up.
pharmakos
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^^ what he said. i've had 5 seeds of one batch of seeds be just as potent as 10 seeds of another. i'd say start at 4 or 5 for a test dose and then figure out the rest of your doses from there.
strangedays_indeed
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so ive been lurking this whole thread for an hour and its rather difficult since im tired but yeah
could some very knowledgeable bluelighter please point me in the right direction or give me some advise on the following ideas.
if a person was using an the erowid method (http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction2.shtml) would they be able to get the yellow gunk containing the desired alkaloid into a crystal or highly concentrated liquid form?
could some very knowledgeable bluelighter please point me in the right direction or give me some advise on the following ideas.
if a person was using an the erowid method (http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction2.shtml) would they be able to get the yellow gunk containing the desired alkaloid into a crystal or highly concentrated liquid form?
greenmeanies
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while i personally only have experience with whole chewed morning glory seed...
the lsa alkaloids are highly unstable, and the longer you expose them to heat/air/light the more degradation you can expect. the erowid tek is full of inconsistencies and confusion, and reads like a "theoretical" extraction by someone compiling hearsay.
there is no evidence that the nausea component can be reliably separated from the trip component, and LSA itself is known to be a vasoconstrictor. this means that you must be willing to accept the full spectrum effects of the drug. do not naptha wash your seeds, because you will either A) lose a portion of alkaloids to degradation or B) consume naptha. do not extract with methanol unless you have a vacuum apparatus to remove solvent without introducing air/heat/light, methanol is poisonous.
LSA is contained in its polar salt form in HBWR/MG seeds, so a quick lemon/cold water extract is best, compared to just chewing and swallowing the whole seeds. if you get enough chemical in you, nausea is to be expected, however green herb will calm it slightly and the trip is beautiful after you purge.
i don't know about the acetaldehyde/LSH theory, but peppermint tea can soothe the tummy for sure.
the lsa alkaloids are highly unstable, and the longer you expose them to heat/air/light the more degradation you can expect. the erowid tek is full of inconsistencies and confusion, and reads like a "theoretical" extraction by someone compiling hearsay.
there is no evidence that the nausea component can be reliably separated from the trip component, and LSA itself is known to be a vasoconstrictor. this means that you must be willing to accept the full spectrum effects of the drug. do not naptha wash your seeds, because you will either A) lose a portion of alkaloids to degradation or B) consume naptha. do not extract with methanol unless you have a vacuum apparatus to remove solvent without introducing air/heat/light, methanol is poisonous.
LSA is contained in its polar salt form in HBWR/MG seeds, so a quick lemon/cold water extract is best, compared to just chewing and swallowing the whole seeds. if you get enough chemical in you, nausea is to be expected, however green herb will calm it slightly and the trip is beautiful after you purge.
i don't know about the acetaldehyde/LSH theory, but peppermint tea can soothe the tummy for sure.
treezy z
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Fucked up sides from too much in too short a period
last summer i used mg seeds about maybe 4 times in 10 days. a couple days later i got a NASTY feeling in my leg (went to ER it was so painful), which i (not with 100% certainty) attribute to LSA vacoconstriction. since then the leg has been pretty vulnerable to cramps, not in a debilitating way but if i walk multiple miles or do a lot of cardio a couple days in a row i have to stretch it and it still gets sore. i think i might have damaged some of the veins or something because this was a good 5 months ago.
as a result of this problem i would definitely advise people to use LSA infrequently and take vasodilators..
last summer i used mg seeds about maybe 4 times in 10 days. a couple days later i got a NASTY feeling in my leg (went to ER it was so painful), which i (not with 100% certainty) attribute to LSA vacoconstriction. since then the leg has been pretty vulnerable to cramps, not in a debilitating way but if i walk multiple miles or do a lot of cardio a couple days in a row i have to stretch it and it still gets sore. i think i might have damaged some of the veins or something because this was a good 5 months ago.
as a result of this problem i would definitely advise people to use LSA infrequently and take vasodilators..
tittysnacks74
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HBWR shelf life?
I have had a few dozen hawaiian baby woodrose seeds sitting in a plastic bag in my closet since this summer. Both of my friends who ate seven of these seeds reported experiencing significant psychedelic effects (along with expected nausea).
Can I count on these seeds remaining potent? How long do they last? Is there a better storage technique I can employ?
I have had a few dozen hawaiian baby woodrose seeds sitting in a plastic bag in my closet since this summer. Both of my friends who ate seven of these seeds reported experiencing significant psychedelic effects (along with expected nausea).
Can I count on these seeds remaining potent? How long do they last? Is there a better storage technique I can employ?
greenmeanies
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there is little data on the long-term potency of seeds, but general consensus is that after one year they will be noticeably weaker than a fresh crop. if you are botanically inclined and live in a conducive climate, consider germinating half your stash. we are quickly approaching springtime in the northern hemisphere, and you can probably expect to get 10x the seeds out of this endeavor as you put into it.
unfortunately, the longer you store seeds the less they will germinate, so do think about how long they may have been in storage before you purchased them.
unfortunately, the longer you store seeds the less they will germinate, so do think about how long they may have been in storage before you purchased them.
strangedays_indeed
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yeah it seems kind of hectic with all the soaking for long peroids of time while ground up it seems like one would loose alot of the desired lsa alkaloids. ive had good sucess with simple cold distilled water tea methods, minimal to no nausea but still a sort of lazy stone through out the trip when injesting more than 500 seeds in the tea. id like a more pure form of the chemical but im sure the loss of alkaloids is aprox 30 -50 % if done like the erowid tek instructs. anyways indecision as always. thanks for the advise though.
a couple morning glory questions
first of all ive never tried them and i cant buy them online but i was wondering if there were any places like home depot that had untreated seeds that would be safe for eating right out the bag if so are there any brands to look for or indications on the bag? but id appreciate some ideas as to what are the best ways to extract the lsa with out geting the mercury ect if there arent any. thanks in advance
first of all ive never tried them and i cant buy them online but i was wondering if there were any places like home depot that had untreated seeds that would be safe for eating right out the bag if so are there any brands to look for or indications on the bag? but id appreciate some ideas as to what are the best ways to extract the lsa with out geting the mercury ect if there arent any. thanks in advance
strangedays_indeed
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eating them out of the bag would be horrible and unwise. 90% of the seeds on the selves at stores have shit all over them. if you want to listen and follow aprox. five steps you can have a delectable lsa trip with minimal nausea or discomfort at all.
one - get heavenly blue morning glory seeds (bupree brand home depot chain recommended), around 6 - 12 packs (50 in each) roughly 300 - 600 seeds.
two - wash all seeds whole for 30 seconds in cold (distilled is good but not needed) h20 with a drop of natural soap in it. dry them well in a towel after putting them through a quick sifter. dry them seedz.
three - grind dry seeds in coffee grider or in a moral pastel or ghetto moral pestal aka hammerish thing and bowlish thing. get them at least a bit ground up.
DO STEPS 4-5 IN DIMLY LIT/DARK CONDITION!!!
four - take a tea bag and remove the tea, put the seeds in, and tape/staple shut. put tea bag(s) in a mason jar completely rapped in aluminum foil with aprox 10 - 20 oz of COLD DISTILLED WATER.
five - let sit overnight in fridge or in a dark room. make sure no light gets in. awesome drink tastes like water drink plain and enjoy the lsa. lsa is calm, gentle, and hard to notice if you dont understand what it is doing. it is like dosing a light hit of non visual lsd, but in synergy with cannabis, lsa is an awesome compound. BUT OF COURSE you should take the tea and water the grass with it because its not for human consumption and i dont endorse anything but grasswatering with it. maybe even water your morning glory flowers yay!
if you eat the seeds plain im sorry for you and im sure youll never do it again.
one - get heavenly blue morning glory seeds (bupree brand home depot chain recommended), around 6 - 12 packs (50 in each) roughly 300 - 600 seeds.
two - wash all seeds whole for 30 seconds in cold (distilled is good but not needed) h20 with a drop of natural soap in it. dry them well in a towel after putting them through a quick sifter. dry them seedz.
three - grind dry seeds in coffee grider or in a moral pastel or ghetto moral pestal aka hammerish thing and bowlish thing. get them at least a bit ground up.
DO STEPS 4-5 IN DIMLY LIT/DARK CONDITION!!!
four - take a tea bag and remove the tea, put the seeds in, and tape/staple shut. put tea bag(s) in a mason jar completely rapped in aluminum foil with aprox 10 - 20 oz of COLD DISTILLED WATER.
five - let sit overnight in fridge or in a dark room. make sure no light gets in. awesome drink tastes like water drink plain and enjoy the lsa. lsa is calm, gentle, and hard to notice if you dont understand what it is doing. it is like dosing a light hit of non visual lsd, but in synergy with cannabis, lsa is an awesome compound. BUT OF COURSE you should take the tea and water the grass with it because its not for human consumption and i dont endorse anything but grasswatering with it. maybe even water your morning glory flowers yay!
if you eat the seeds plain im sorry for you and im sure youll never do it again.
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Greenlighter
I to have experienced the effects of lsa. My first trip with lsa was a few days ago. My friend and I ingested 12 grams a piece of heavenly blue burpee. We both ingested the seeds within 10 minutes( literally pouring an entire packet into mouth at one time) 15 mintues later my friend said he was going to walk back to his house and take a shower( he was feeling very nauseous, as i was to) he ended up throwing up the seeds on the way home and didnt get to experience the trip. I didnt have any weed to combat the nausea so i took some pepto bismol. I sat on my bed and figured if i could refrain from throwing up the effects of the LSA would eventually overtake the nausea ( which was correct) so about 2 hours after ingestion i started to feel very heavy and anxious. to the actual trip. during the peak of the trip there was no profound open eye visuals but there was tracers, extremely vivid colors, walls sort of breathing effect(kinda like lsd, but not as intense) was extremeley fascinated with geometrical patterns for example my bathroom floor has different shapes and sizes of rectangular patterns. they would all move and switch postions like my mind was trying to put them together? also brick walls looked like a COMPUTERS ENCRYPTION FIREWALL BASE. I tripped for about 7 hours and found it was a positive experience. Im going to wait a few months(for tolerance reasons) and take 12 grams again. Peace hope someone enjoyed this.
yucatanboy2
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I have a question for users of MGs or HBWR. (I've used HBWR before multiple times by chewing them)
Has anyone soaked seeds in wine and then drank the wine? Did it work? I was thinking of getting a generic white, adding HBWR, and maybe some spices (like mint/ginger for anti-nausea), and letting it soak in the fridge for some time
Seems reasonable to me, just wondering if its been tried with success before.
Has anyone soaked seeds in wine and then drank the wine? Did it work? I was thinking of getting a generic white, adding HBWR, and maybe some spices (like mint/ginger for anti-nausea), and letting it soak in the fridge for some time
Seems reasonable to me, just wondering if its been tried with success before.
greenmeanies
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actually i've heard (haven't tried it) that some red wines (especially the fortified ones like port) can have high levels of acetaldehyde...
the real question is... will the acidity and alcoholic content of the wine protect the LSA or will it still degrade in solution? as long as your wine is well-sealed, very little oxygen should enter during the seed-addition process. and in the fridge, no UV light or heat should destroy the molecules... i say go for it. i would estimate 60-80% extraction efficiency and definitely don't make it so you have to drink the whole bottle
the real question is... will the acidity and alcoholic content of the wine protect the LSA or will it still degrade in solution? as long as your wine is well-sealed, very little oxygen should enter during the seed-addition process. and in the fridge, no UV light or heat should destroy the molecules... i say go for it. i would estimate 60-80% extraction efficiency and definitely don't make it so you have to drink the whole bottle
yucatanboy2
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^ (argh acetaldehyde! I really wish there was data to clearly show that acetaldehyde doesn't react with LSA to make "LSH".)
Although albert hoffman said LSA is a fairly unstable molecule, I think LSA is actually a pretty hardy considering people have boiled HBWR/MG seeds in water in the presence of air and light and still get psychoactivity, and that people have had seeds stored for years and still had activity. And some extraction teks specifically mention adding tartaric acid, which is present in wines (thats actually how the word "racemic" was coined by Pasteur, who isolated the different enantiomers from "wine crystals"). If you look in the chemistry literature, the syntheses of LSA usually take some pretty harsh conditions, such as NaOH in EtOH for a ester hydrolysis.
I will definitely report back with a trip report if I try the wine method.
Although albert hoffman said LSA is a fairly unstable molecule, I think LSA is actually a pretty hardy considering people have boiled HBWR/MG seeds in water in the presence of air and light and still get psychoactivity, and that people have had seeds stored for years and still had activity. And some extraction teks specifically mention adding tartaric acid, which is present in wines (thats actually how the word "racemic" was coined by Pasteur, who isolated the different enantiomers from "wine crystals"). If you look in the chemistry literature, the syntheses of LSA usually take some pretty harsh conditions, such as NaOH in EtOH for a ester hydrolysis.
I will definitely report back with a trip report if I try the wine method.
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