The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration

[melquiades]

So, my mom decided that the morning glory plants were dying and looking ugly, so she tore them down. So yesterday I went through our yard debris and collected 173 pods! There were a lot more that I didn't collect, that were infested with fungus. (My state is very very rainy...)

I took some time to sort through the seeds.
6 pods were ready to harvest immediately. I got 18 seeds from them. (There is between 1-4 seeds in a pod, and having a high average of 3seeds/pod is nice. :D )
105 pods are immature, their outsides are green and where I can see the seeds (from broken tops or bottoms) the seeds are white and unripe.

I ran out of time, so then I had 62 unsorted seeds. I threw those into a tupperware container which I poured salt into. The idea is that you want to dehydrate the unripe seeds to make them mature and dried out. Dehydrating the seeds will also stop any fungus from growing.

Today I sorted my 62 unsorted seed. (I had lost one somewhere along the way, only 61 were at the end.)
6 were mushy, highly suspicious of having fungus in them.
14 pods were immature, and I put them with the immature seeds.
but 41 were close to harvest! Their pod-shells are crispy and have some air in them, which means the seeds have shrank.

I think that a good way to prepare immature seeds is by airing them out infront of a space-heater with a fan (which I am doing right now), but putting them in a container with salt is also good for drying them out.

If I wanted to trip right now, I might just open up all of them and eat them now, but I want them to be dried so that I can store and wait to trip.

Here's a picture: http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8/1115091457.jpg
In front are the 6 mushy pods, then 41 close-to-harvest pods, then 55 seeds, then 100+ immature pods.

 

[naginnudej]

This.

Swallowing them just doesn't work. I generally chew them and hold the juice in my mouth for a good half hour or so before swallowing the gunk. Five or six seeds should be enough for a pretty strong experience - ten would be too much for most folks. I HBWR :D

Also, welcome to BL and PD

Do you remove the shells first?

 

[Sheeno]

From experience, I find that the best technique is just to chew them up in your mouth for five minutes and swallow. Sublingual absorption is just too much effort, and swallowing them causes the trip to be more intense. You do stand a higher risk of vomiting, but I personally enjoy the "purging" experience. The only real side effect seems to be a slight chance of a hangover the next day IF you don't vomit. If you do vomit, you feel wonderful the next day.

 

[Shambles]

Do you remove the shells first?

Never really had any HBWR with shells as such. I do scrape off the fuzzy crap on the outside as it definitely increases nausea and bodyload massively if you don't.

 

[naginnudej]

Never really had any HBWR with shells as such. I do scrape off the fuzzy crap on the outside as it definitely increases nausea and bodyload massively if you don't.

That's what I meant.

Thanks

 

[Delsyd]

20 HBWR seeds + Cannabis = Wonderful day

HBWR seeds come in many different potencies.
in most cases 20 seeds would be a bit excessive.

for beginers i recomend 5-10 seeds.

 

[pharmakos]

I never scrape or remove anything from HBWR seeds. I believe that to be a myth just like the whole "Peppermint tea/oil turns it into LSH and makes the trip different". That is another load of nonsense. I've used LSA with & without Peppermint Tea many times and notice absolutely no difference at all.

Just do a CWE with fresh lemon juice, soak them for 8-10 hours, and filter the liquid into a small amount of juice & drink it.

20 HBWR seeds + Cannabis = Wonderful day

peppermint tea doesn't work for me, but red wine certainly does! a few hour soak in red wine, shaken up once in awhile, is enough to make the trip far more visual then a similar dose without red wine.

 

[Tdaddy]

nausea and restless leg HBWR help

ok so, i did HBWR seeds yesterday. i had a hell of a time, but i was trying to see if there is ANY way to stop/reduce the amount of nausea and the restless legs. heres the deal, i took 5 sublingual yesterday, then ate 5 more. about 3-4 hours i was peaking and i did get nausea(despite drinkin ginger ale and i took some benedryl b4 hand) but it was short lived. i never threw up, so i guess i do have a strong stomach...but i did try to throw up once when i felt sick. it felt like the flu for about 10 mins. i was sick and shaking, dry heaved over the toliet once, then layed down and i was fine. but then the restless legs hit me hard. i was watching a movie to keep my mind busy but i couldnt stop moving my legs. my legs didnt hurt at all, no cramping like ive read some people have...they were just restless. im considering an extraction next time.
any ideas about how to reduce the nausea/restless legs for me?

i loved the trip. i went to see avatar in imax 3d with my gf. what an experience lol. only other semi psyc iv done is dxm(too many times lol). they seemed somewhat similar to me too. except i got no dissociative feeling on HBWR, which is exactly what i want. i hate feeling out of my body on dxm.

anyways any help would be appreciated. i wish i could write a trip report but idk what else to say. i was just in awe the whole time. great experience!

 

[psilocybonaut]

Are you scraping the fuzzy coating off the seeds? If not, that is your problem, as the coating causes extra negative side effects (besides the natural muscle tremors/nausea that LSA itself causes).

 

[egor]

Kava is good for this purpose. It will relax your muscles without effecting the headspace too much; but a better option is just go for a walk. Woodrose are great outside during the day on a hike

 

[greenmeanies]

cannabis helps a lot, as well as giving in to the nausea (nothing like a cleansing purge to get a trip going)

 

[Tdaddy]

well, i recently quit weed, so im not going to smoke even tho id love to. i need a job lol. so thats out.
i tried to give in. i just coughed once and it was done. i didnt throw up just felt alittle sick for 10 mins. so i should get some kava for the restless legs? i didnt know everyone got them. i read about leg cramps not them being restless.

i did scrape most of the fuzz off....but i thought it had been proven that the fuzz contains nothing bad.

thanks for the replies. keep em coming! while i was trippin i was like" hmm idk if ima do this again" but damn.....i realized when i came down i had a great time! lol. and im def gonna be doing it again...but ima make sure im doing something this time instead of staying inside the house for half the trip. but i wanted to be safe incase i needed to throw up or felt bad.

if anyone has aim add me and hit me up. id love to talk about some stuff/experiences with you! im interested in cactus too.

 

[Mr. White]

The fuzz is fine, makes no difference for me.
Some people get nausea much worse than others. I get almost none, some friends projectile vomit haha. Its a shame you've quit weed, it kills the nausea/restless leg and really kicks the trip into high gear for me.

Maybe try some magnesium (mild muscle relaxant) for the legs, some people get cramps in their legs, especially when sitting down/not moving. The restless leg could be something to do with the vasoconstriction that LSA tends to cause.

How did you find the movie? How hard were you tripping? I'm tossing up having some HBWR when i see Avatar

 

[Tdaddy]

o dude...def take some and go see avatar in imax 3d like i did. you mite cream your pants hahaha. the movie was awesome even tho i was almost down from my trip. i might take them again and go while im trippin this time. it was my first time and i didnt really PLAN to be trippin at the mall. it just happened. i was trippin for 8 hours LOL. i took them early in the day and the movie was at night. but i was still trippin. we got to the mall 1.5 hours early and i swear that whole time we were waitin to go see the movie felt like a lifetime. i enjoyed sittin down and making fun of all the people and trying to figure out wth they were thinkin. everything just seemed so interesting

maybe my nausea will be less next time? i noticed the restless legs when i wasnt moving. but walking around the mall helped...but i felt really weak so i didnt feel like walking. sitting down, i kept adjusting my postion in the seat, just couldnt get comfortable. i guess thats a side effects

side question: would synthetic cannabinoids act on the nausea the same as mj would?

 

[iplugpanadol]

Ate 7 HBWR seeds today with 2 friends. We all had 7.

Basically we all got horrific nausea, and me and one other friend threw up.

For about 4 hours we felt like mongloids. We couldn't focus on anything, we couldn't think, and we all just felt like absolute shit. Worst so called "trip" of my life.

 

[relakit]

Two LSA Trips over three days?

Would it be safe or even worth it to trip on LSA again after I did it the night before last night? It's about 8 AM. I wanted to make sure there was no serotonin or vasoconstriction some problem like that with doing them so close together.

Also, is it weird that the armpit of my leg (don't know the actual name) hurt all throughout the trip?

 

[Mjäll]

I've spaced LSA trips 3 days and it didn't affect potency very much but I don't think LSA seeds are very healthy, especially if you eat them unextracted.

I had the same problem with leg cramps, quite alarming actually. I would wait if I were you. And if possibly, do an acetaldehyde extraction/conversion. It really makes the trip better in terms of both side effects and desired effects.

 

[Solipsis]

I think LSH is also a vasoconstrictor, Mjäll.

But it doesn't mean you're wrong about general improvement.

 

[Mjäll]

I think LSH is also a vasoconstrictor, Mjäll.

But it doesn't mean you're wrong about general improvement.

Yes but unextracted seeds bring more discomfort than just vasoconstriction.

But you're right, you don't get away all the vasoconstriction.

 

[Mjäll]

I have yet to see any scientific proof that there is anything besides LSA in MG, HBWR, or RC seeds and there is no scientific proof that LSA can be converted into LSH by doing some nonsense with Peppermint or chemicals.

LSH is a myth.

And maybe its just me, but when I do a CWE with HBWR seeds...I have no problems at all with vasoconstriction. I've never had cramping or sore muscles, etc. Nothing.

The fact that you're reducing peppermint and chemicals to nonsense exposes your rhetoric agenda.

It might be that LSH conversion is a myth but it doesn't really hurt to take this very simple extra step in the extraction process.