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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Part 3: Fluffy Dreams Continued

LSI, ancient LSD, secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA chapter 5 recipe.pdf 2.94MB 44 downloads

Reply from Dr. David E. Nichols 2 weeks ago: https://ibb.co/Y4ysqcW7

more info: https://mycotopia.net/topic/112442-lsi-ancient-lsd-secret-of-the-eleusis-kykeon/page-3#entry1511997

The alpha hydroxy isovaleraldehyde adduct condensed onto LSA on left.

For reference, the structures of lysergic acid (R)-α-hydroxyisovaleramide (left, the hypothetical adduct) and lysergic acid isovaleramide (right) are below.

https://i.ibb.co/Y4zZ0h7x/x9rg-VQx.png

Notice similarity of LShI to LSIp on page 71: https://www.researchgate.net/public...1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIn19 download pdf to view.
 
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Poor Dave getting spammed with nonsense... I also don't understand the point of making that particular compound, as I don't know any metabolic or chemical pathway in which lysergic acid isovalerylamide may be formed from the tregar concoction 🥲
 
Please be patient, I will post Dr. Nichols findings here on this thread in September, he told me it is not long for paper to be released. He has sent me a total of 4 emails since October of 2025, if you would like to see the rest of them. Ask yoursef this: why would I bother to spend 3 months writing a book, go on 1 hour interview with Dr. Mckenna to expose my face if this were untrue? Simply google "you tube Brainforest Cafe #58 interview with Matthew Stahl hosted by Dr. Mckenna" I tripped on 40 seed converted to LSI last night, absolutely incredible, just like 550mg mescaline for 10 hours.

Why would I take over 2 dozen photos of the molecule being formed over several different times if this were untrue? Study the easy steps in paper above plus harm and labor reduction from seeds to LSA then to LSI in 2 more easy steps. Feel free to stop at the step where you make pure LSA extract if you desire, but I recommend going the 2 extra steps to make LSI by all means.
 
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Because from NBOMe complexation, weird bufotenine extractions, this stuff (and potentially more) you have declared any of your invention as the new mescaline and LSD combined but better, while making sure to put your name behind it. If you want to be special, cook tons of mescaline, proportionally less acid, compound them together at a sane dosage, and let the tregar sunshine illuminate the world.

And of course why you are doing it so publicly is likely the same as why conspiracy theorists like to talk into a camera.
 
Because Ive used the recipe now x 22 times over a 1.7 year period, its called action. I am a chemist who studied at Texas A&M university for 4 years and Texas Lutheran University for 2 years.The book explains how LSI is formed from LSA if you simply read. Quantamide from Canada has verified my recipe, read the pdf paper. I have been at bluelight for 22 years, see my other posts on how to make THH, ayahuasca capsules, zero nausea bridgesii cactus tea, HPBCD DMT, it's all here, again action.

I am a life long bodybuilder. Here is yet another example of my action at work https://anabolicminds.com/community...1-equivalent-to-4-3iu-pharm-grade-hgh.329132/

LSI, ancient LSD, secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA chapter 5 recipe.pdf 2.94MB 44 downloads
 
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Because Ive used the recipe now x 22 times over a 1.7 year period, its called action.I an a chemist who studied at Texas A&M university for 4 years ans Texas Lutheran University for 2 years.
How does this relate to a LSI synthesis by Nichols proving that your method yields LSI?

I have a "method" to make MDA in the kitchen from nutmeg. Shulgin synthesized MDA, ergo my method works, right?

(you can edit your post adding more stuff all you want, what you're adding still doesn't explain in what way Nichols synthesizing a molecule proves that your method yields that molecule)
 
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Actions that don't provide any evidence that the end result of your method contains LSI:
  • Studying chemistry
  • Using your recipe 22 times over a 1.7 year period
  • Getting Dave Nichols to synthesize LSI
  • Being a life long bodybuilder
  • Being active in Bluelight for 22 years
  • Writing a book
  • Getting on a podcast with Dennis McKenna
Now, some of the above takes a lot of time and/or effort, so congratulations in that sense, I guess.

You know what would provide some indirect evidence that your method produces LSI? Sending a sample to analyze with GC-MS (particularly if done before anyone synthesizes the molecule).

Being much cheaper, faster, and easier than most of the points in the above list, it's surprising that you haven't done it yet. Someone else may not have been familiar with GC-MS, but I don't think that's the case for someone who studied chemistry at Texas A&M university for 4 years ans Texas Lutheran University for 2 years.

I'd even say that it's not only surprising, but suspicious.

So, instead of repeating your claims for the 10000000th time, what about sending a sample to analyze and posting the GC-MS results?
 
LSI, ancient LSD, secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA chapter 5 recipe.pdf 2.94MB 44 downloads

Reply from Dr. David E. Nichols 2 weeks ago: https://ibb.co/Y4ysqcW7

Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldamide molecule: https://ibb.co/m5V9K6zZ
Because Ive used the recipe now x 22 times over a 1.7 year period, its called action. I am a chemist who studied at Texas A&M university for 4 years and Texas Lutheran University for 2 years.The book explains how LSI is formed from LSA if you simply read. Quantamide from Canada has verified my recipe, read the pdf paper. I have been at bluelight for 22 years, see my other posts on how to make THH, ayahuasca capsules, zero nausea bridgesii cactus tea, HPBCD DMT, it's all here, again action.

I am a life long bodybuilder. Here is yet another example of my action at work https://anabolicminds.com/community...1-equivalent-to-4-3iu-pharm-grade-hgh.329132/

LSI, ancient LSD, secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA chapter 5 recipe.pdf 2.94MB 44 downloads
Tregar, can you please not clutter this thread it's supposed to be about LSA, not LSI. You have a dedicated thread for LSI. I won't touch that one.
 
it's supposed to be about LSA, not LSI.
As a fellow chemist you can appreciate my call for proper terminology. "LSI" is erroneous.
It's based on isopentanal so a correct name could be:
• Lysergic acid isopentylamide (LSiP / LAiP)
• aka N-(isopentyl)lysergamide

LSiP is not the hypothesised adduct as bluelightbird pointed out:
For reference, the structures of lysergic acid (R)-α-hydroxyisovaleramide (left, the hypothetical adduct) and lysergic acid isovaleramide (right) are below.
x9rg-VQx.png

From a pharmacological perspective, screening LSiP is certainly intriguing but it has little to do with the theorised adduct. Nichols already made LSP (N-(3-pentyl)lysergamide) so screening LSiP for HTR etc might reveal another LSD analog, or not.
Lysergic acid 3-pentylamide (LSP) is an analogue of LSD originally researched by David E. Nichols and colleagues. It has similar binding affinity to LSD itself as both a 5-HT1A and 5-HT2A agonist.

it's supposed to be about LSA
Hopefully someone will author a paper(s) dedicated to ergoline-containing seeds, to uncover the MOA of lysergic & clavine alkaloids. The psychoactivity of the clavines is under-researched and under-appreciated. Just like how Kash called his HBWR extract "freebase LSA" is misleading and false, it's actually a mixture of ergolines.

Analyzing the Lysergic Acid Amide Content Extracted from the Seeds of Argyreia nervosa via the Use of LC-MS (2021)
Almost all of the non-published methods found on the internet claim that the end product is a “pure LSA extract,” but that is far from the truth. LSA likely represents a portion of the extract, but it is not the only compound present. As Figures 12 and 13 show, the extracts prepared in this project contain more than just a single component. (source)
 
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Calling it "LSiP" is a bit clumsy due to the potential confusion with isopropyl (which iP more commonly stands for, see also "iPLA" and "LAiP'). iPeLA perhaps more conform, but perhaps we should let the person decide who first offers an NMR after making it?

And I agree it would be cool to see some more evidence based work on the seeds 👍
 
Because Ive used the recipe now x 22 times over a 1.7 year period, its called action. I am a chemist who studied at Texas A&M university for 4 years and Texas Lutheran University for 2 years.The book explains how LSI is formed from LSA if you simply read. Quantamide from Canada has verified my recipe, read the pdf paper. I have been at bluelight for 22 years, see my other posts on how to make THH, ayahuasca capsules, zero nausea bridgesii cactus tea, HPBCD DMT, it's all here, again action.

I am a life long bodybuilder. Here is yet another example of my action at work https://anabolicminds.com/community...1-equivalent-to-4-3iu-pharm-grade-hgh.329132/

LSI, ancient LSD, secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA chapter 5 recipe.pdf 2.94MB 44 downloads
You and Quantamide are the same person in case other people didn't know. Reacting LSA with an aldehyde is synthesis talk by the way which is again, completely against BULA. You do know that BULA is so that we can keep Bluelight open. You do respect BL and BULA right?
 
Calling it "LSiP" is a bit clumsy due to the potential confusion with isopropyl (which iP more commonly stands for, see also "iPLA" and "LAiP'). iPeLA perhaps more conform

Very clumsy since LSiP is technically already in use involving Nichols. According to the wiki references, LAiP fully substitutes for LSD in drug discrimination tests with a potency of about half that of LSD. Maybe the isopentyl is another active LSD analog?

iPLA (left) / iPeLA (right)
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↑ Nichols 3-LSP, similar affinity as LSD

The isopentyl has potential I say.

The series of isopropyl amides has recently been completed with the synthesis of the N-isopropyl, in addition to the N-methyl-N-isopropyl, N-ethyl-N-isopropyl, and the N,N-diisopropyl, as shown in figure 12. With the exception of the N,N-diisopropylamide, all compounds completely substitute in the DD paradigm in rats trained to discriminate LSD from saline.
Pfaff RC, Huang X, Marona-Lewicka D, Oberlender R, Nichols DE (1994). PMID: 8742794. "Lysergamides revisited"​
 
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The psychoactivity of the clavines is under-researched and under-appreciated. Just like how Kash called his HBWR extract "freebase LSA" is misleading and false, it's actually a mixture of ergolines.

Claviceps fusiformis contains predominantly agroclavine and elymoclavine and does not produce lysergamides or ergopeptines.[1] People who ingested it during an outbreak experienced nausea, vomiting, giddiness, drowsiness, prolonged sleepiness, twitching, convulsions, blindness and paralysis.[2]

A 1968 study in which LSA, iso-LSA, lysergol, and a combo of those three were given to volunteers found that lysergol showed "the least subjective changes" and that those changes occurred only when a dosage of 8 milligrams was reached.[3] Lysergol is a clavine.

Someone claimed he isolated the clavines from I. tricolor seeds and ingested them:

"Clavine caused hard vasoconstrion, nausea and pupil dilation but lacked psychedelic value. I could understand its medicinal value due to its vaso properties without altering consciousness but as a mind expanding compound I don't see its place." mrsnesbitsteaparty  2023-10-13  h‍ttps://www.reddit.com/r/LSA/comments/1759wrs/deleted_by_user/k4ptn3a/

This is his write-up of the method he used:

LAA isolation: nessbit's tek


1. "Sclerotia of African and Indian isolates of C. fusiformis from pearl millet contain agro-clavine and elymoclavine as the main alkaloid components; minor or trace components are chanoclavine, setoclavine, penniclavine and, occasionally, festuclavine. Both also readily produce clavines in submerged culture in vitro (Banks et al., 1974, Bhat et al., 1976, Singh and Husain 1977, Kumar and Arya 1978)[3, 5, 21, 12]."

Kumari, P., Kumar, S., Godika, S., Ghasolia, R. P., Yadav, P. D., Lokesh Kumar, L. Pathogenicity, morphology and identification of Claviceps fusiformis incited ergot disease of pearl millet. 2022. https://www.researchgate.net/public...iformis_incited_ergot_disease_of_pearl_millet


2. "The other type of ergotism, a convulsive form related to intoxication with clavine alkaloids from Claviceps fusiformis, was last seen during 1975 in India when 78 persons were affected (21, 22). It was characterized by gastrointestinal symptoms (nausea, vomiting and giddiness) followed by effects on the central nervous system (drowsiness, prolonged sleepiness, twitching, convulsions, blindness and paralysis). The onset of symptoms occurred 1–48 hours following exposure; there were no fatalities."

"21. Krishnamachari KAVR, Bhat RV. Poisoning of ergoty bajra (pearl millet) in man. Indian Journal of Medical Research, 1976, 64: 1624–1628."
[Abstract: https://www.bluelight.org/community/posts/16411777]

"22. Tulpule PG, Bhat RV. Food toxins and their implication in human health. Indian Journal of Medical Research, 1978, 68 (suppl.): 99–108."

Toxic effects of mycotoxins in humans. Peraica, M., Radić, B., Lucić, A., Pavlović, M. 1999. Bull World Health Organ, 77(9), 754–66
https://iris.who.int/items/bea5bbd0-9c90-4aa9-b9ff-9da3c31ec99c



3. "Lysergol shows the least subjective changes." e) Symptom distribution, page 42


"Changes only occurred at a dosage of 8 mg, with a clear slowing visible in expression and behavior. Facial expression appeared flat and speech showed a reduction in the five expressive qualities."

"Subjectively, fewer vegetative sensations were observed, but a clear inhibition of initiative was present." c) Lysergol, page 40

Heim, E., Heimann, H., Lukács, G. 1968. Die psychische Wirkung der mexikanischen Droge „Ololiuqui“ am Menschen. Psychopharmacologia, 13 (1): 35–48. 10.1007/BF00401617

Full paper (translated): https://misc29.blogspot.com/2026/07/heim-1968.html

Quotes translated from German
 
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Didgital said ...."You and Quantamide are the same person in case other people didn't know. Reacting LSA with an aldehyde is synthesis talk by the way which is again, completely against BULA. You do know that BULA is so that we can keep Bluelight open. You do respect BL and BULA right"?

I am not Tregar for the last time. But I can agree this is all synthesis talk and I will definately go elsewhere. So you can call that a win if you like. Pity the person that sucessfully does LSI and comes here to talk about how good it is.

The guy (Tregar) comes up with a safe ,better way to do LSA without any bad side effects and that is considered taboo, on a so called safety oriented drug forum and this is the result. It's actually quite sad unless your a dea affiliated troll that is getting there way.

Glad he made his recipe available for free for everyone everywhere.
 
Not so long ago, tregar's method consisted from mixing seeds extract with sherry wine, few years before it was peppermint oil, now it's fermented barley. I wonder what it will be in two years 🤣
Of course, in each case, it produces great substance, superior to LSD+mescaline.

Why are you changing your recipe so often?
 
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