The Big & Dandy First-Time-Tripper Thread

[avcpl]

Here is my opinion of the best psychedelic compounds a beginner could start with.

In my opinion and my many experiences, I think that the BEST psychedelics (and possible dosages) for first timers are (in order of best to worst, #1 would be the best one out of this list, and the last one would probably be the least ideal one on the list [although they are still good beginner psychedelics when compared to the others]):

1. 2C-I (16-20mg) <-----This is by far the BEST one for newbies. It presents NO ego loss in my experience, and is basically like a happy time with colorful visuals. Almost like psychedelic MDMA, without the extreme MDMA euphoria.

2. 2C-B (16-20mg) <-----I would say this is almost just as good as 2C-I for beginners, though it is a bit more psychedelic than 2C-I (especially at high doses). Not quite as ideal for 2C-I for a first timer (IMO), but very very close.

3. 4-AcO-DMT (~15-20mg) <-----MUCH, MUCH better choice than mushrooms for a first timer. Effects are nearly identical to mushrooms (4-HO-DMT), except there is not nearly as much ego loss/mind-fuck and it lasts like 2 hours longer. It actually seems to relax/sedate you a bit before the trip. I personally love this compound and think it would be a great starter. I don't know why (because they are so similar in chemical structure), but they are MUCH MUCH smoother than mushrooms. A lot of people I know also like it BETTER than mushrooms.

4. LSD (100-150mcg) <-----Probably the best "common" psychedelic to start out with, in my opinion. Much much easier to start with than mushrooms, in my experience. Mushrooms are no joke, even though they are quite common. While mushrooms just hack at your ego unforgivingly, LSD kind of picks it apart at it like a puzzle...it would be more comfortable for beginners, at least in my experience.

P.S. I did not include MDMA in this list, because it is the most predictable psychedelic and causes extreme euphoria for most (it's not a traditional visual/mindfuck psychedelic, more for pleasure IMO). If I were to include MDMA, it would be #1 on the list, because it is by far the easiest to handle.

I've never done mushrooms but may have an opportunity soon. This post kind of freaked me out. Can someone explain how mushrooms are hard on the ego?
what would that feel like? (my other drug experiences are mdma, weed, and opiates).

thanks!

 

[ASquishyApple]

i haven't tried mushrooms yet myself. but someone on here made the analogy that taking acid is like recklessly driving a car at high speed down a crowded highway whereas taking shrooms puts you in the passenger seat of that same car.

based on what i've read shrooms seem to be a lot more forceful on the ego loss whereas with other substances you have more of a choice on whether or not you want to completely surrender to the substance and allow it to do what it wants with your ego. shrooms on the other hand don't give you as much of a choice.


so i had my first psychedelic experience with 4-aco-dmt the other night and i have a few questions.

is it common to get somewhat nauseous on psychedelics or is that more dependent on the substance and stomach contents?

also is it normal to have your memory kind of out of whack the day after tripping?

i've read about people saying with some substances they can definitely tell that they tripped the day before what does that mean is there some kind of mild hangover type feeling other than an afterglow? the day after my trip i felt slightly out of it. it wasn't anything like an alcohol hangover and maybe similar to an incredibly light mdma hangover without the emotional downs (just that feeling of not wanting to really do much). i guess i'd compare it to what i feel like after a night of staying up late and getting really baked after not smoking in a long time.

 

[swiftnglow]

Well, thread res.

I know you can get paranoid as fuck when taking LSD, I know on like all drugs it helps to just make yourself relax, will weed help me relax on it? Or will it more likely only intensify the hallucinations and maybe intensify the paranoia. in other words how well does lsd and weed work?

 

[Rexeh]

Cannabis, especially Sativa-dominant strains, can greatly intensify the effects of most psychedelics in my experience. I am an experienced LSA user (15+ trips, all HWBR seeds) and also have experience with Mescaline / DXM / Ayahuasca (N,N-DMT & 5-MeO-DMT) / Bufotenin / TMA-2 and a lot of other psychoactive substances including more than 10 years of smoking Cannabis.

For me LSA and THC have a unique synergy but the most important factors are your set and setting: good music and a (sober) tripsitter combined with a calm environment are some of my recommendations when tripping. Prepare yourself mentally but go into the experience with no expectations and a clear mind cleaned of all negative thoughts or emotions. There are a lot of helpful FAQs (which I would search for I had more time ATM, own company needs me) so I'd recommend reading them as well as waiting for more experienced people here to give their views, hope this helps a bit.

-- Peace o/

 

[swiftnglow]

thanks man all my friends will be trippin tomorrow so maybe I will stay sober for them, well i will probably still be stoned, but not on shrooms! I will try it some other time

 

[EAGERBEEZ]

I'm most likely getting some acid soon and couldn't be more pumped up. I've been doing a ton of research on it to prepare. my prior drug xp is weed, oxys and roxys, coke, salvia 60x, and like every benzo (which I get legitamatly). salvia was pretty crazy but it was only like 5 or 10 mins of tripping so I don't really consider it true tripping xp. anyways, me and like 5 guys(all my best friends) and like 8 girls (mostly my closest female friends) are going to the beach for the day in a few weeks. I'm thinking tht the beach would be a sick ass place to trip. the only things tht I'm kinda worried about is tht no one else is gonna be tripping just drinking(I heard peeps who aren't tripping can be hella annoying when u are) and I have also had profound anxiety since I was a kid( though I've read bad or even difficult trips are rare). so what do u guys think? good idea bad idea? and I'm trying to convince a friend to dose with me but it's pretty unlikely. also should I smoke while I'm tripping cuz I heard tht can sometimes make a good trip go bad. thanks for the feedback guys

 

[Azatos]

I have, a fat eight of shrooms, like almost 3.9 grams to be exact, should I eat em all?

 

[JimJams]

Hi I have no idea how old this thread is and you've probably anwered these questions a number of times already.

How does alcohol and/or cannabis go with LSD? At different points of the trip, before dropping and in different quantities?

I plan to drop acid in my own home with some friends round the house. Some of them WONT be on acid, will this affect anything?

Could you socialise on a tab of medium strength acid?

How much will one tab of standard lsd really fuck me up? Will my "ego shatter", how strange will my thoughts become?

How likley will I be to experience terrifying visions and feelings? Is it REALLY that bad?

Thanks everyone

 

[kingme]

Hi I have no idea how old this thread is and you've probably anwered these questions a number of times already.

How does alcohol and/or cannabis go with LSD? At different points of the trip, before dropping and in different quantities?

I plan to drop acid in my own home with some friends round the house. Some of them WONT be on acid, will this affect anything?

Could you socialise on a tab of medium strength acid?

How much will one tab of standard lsd really fuck me up? Will my "ego shatter", how strange will my thoughts become?

How likley will I be to experience terrifying visions and feelings? Is it REALLY that bad?

Thanks everyone

this thread should be waaay more read than it is now. there are so many threads like this opened up in PD every day. but anyway, heres some answers

generally alcohol doesnt go very well with lsd. it is said to take the edge off, to reduce its effects. it will not have its usual mental effects and might just dull things. i would not recommend it.

cannabis is said to go well, many feel the trip changed by the addition, but it is by far the most common combo out there. it also depends on the effects cannabis has on you alone, but generally it is worth a try, perhaps better at a later trip and not the first one.

as long as you feel comfortable with your setting and the people tehre, it wont make a difference who is on what. however i find that while i do like some time with people, i like at least part of my trip to be spent alone

you can usually socialize on a low dose. on the other hand noone can tell you how strong the stuff you have is, and how you will react. so there is also no knowing how it will affect you, and what your thoughts will be like. a low dose is least likely to freak you out, but just dont over do it the first time if you happen to come across negative feelings, change the set, the setting , the music... and relax. remember it is all an experience, and focusing on anxiety will only create more of it.

i hope you enjoy your first time!

 

[Tunnelfission]

ascending dose shrooming day after day I felt was a great introduction to psychedellics for me, the tolerance and mind space comfort grew day by day allowing me to get the self discovery/new experiences integrated in one long free block of indulgence. I dosed 3 days in a row

day 1 - 0.5 of a gram

day 2 - 2.5 grams

day 3 - 5 grams

Now I tripped progressively harder each day but the tolerance was probably a godsend because during the come up of the 5 gram trip I felt very overwhelmed, playing Sonic the hedgehog 2 for several hours to steady my nerves and the impending feeling like something truly alien was about to occur to me.

Eventually I became comfortable enough to just lay there and scope for hallucinations, having tremendous thoughts while listening to Black Sabbaths "Fairies Wear Boots"

These were my first trips, Yes mushrooms are tip top of the most intense psychedelics, with the capability to humble and get underneath any human on earth but if one can get used to those little guys right on in their tripping career they are going to have some tough skin for it. And Psilocin is an essential experience if one is getting into the culture .

If one had access to LSD first it does have a higher chance of just being a good time, mushrooms always have something to prove. LSD can be taken and YOUR mind is more prominent, something about mushrooms the nature of the drug is extremely prevalent and it takes over. I have been known to prefer mushrooms for months then have a good LSD trip and marvel at LSD and its elusiveness. Then sigh at its unreliability overall.

 

[kingme]

interesting that you felt like tripping from a .5 g of mushies. thats quite a low dose, perhaps you have a sensibility to them. and after a full 2.5g dose, you shouldnt have tripped that much harder on day 3. but organic matter is hard to measure out, as the alcaloid content can vary quite a bit.

and i prefer mushrooms to all others, maybe its because they were the first, and you never forget your first ;

 

[Azatos]

Im not a first time tripper, this would be my second experience. I have the option of getting shrooms which I did before, and getting actual 2ci (a foaf who is a tech savvy psychonaut).

I would be interested in anyone who has tried a 2c-x to comment on how the trip feels. Shrooms to me had a very tribal/earthy it felt very natural but had a serious almost dark tone to the trip.

Also interesting things to do while tripping, last trip off an eight I felt caged since I only did a few things I usually do, watch tv and listen to music.

 

[Vader]

2c-i isn't all that imo, but it's certainly quite different to mushrooms. It isn't nearly as serious (mushrooms always feel kind of spiritually forceful), it's quite easygoing. Visually it's less earthy and natural, more sparkly and wavey. Longer duration, not as deep mentally...at the end of the day, you might just have to suck it and see

In terms of good things to do tripping, I like getting out and about in a natural environment, maybe hiking or cycling or some such (I'm planning some psychedelic kayak trips this summer), preferably with a friend. In fact, if your only trip so far has been solo, the best thing you could do would be to share the experience with someone else.

 

[kingme]

careful with the kayak tripping! i heard swimming while under the influence can be a dangerous thing.

2ci is a great starter psychedelic, as most people don t find it too profound, it is rather stimulating. some prefer to head out and party, some like outdoors trips. Personally i find that trying something on psychs is a great way of rediscovering activities you usually do. Basically anything you normally like you might enjoy more.

 

[Vader]

i heard swimming while under the influence can be a dangerous thing.

Swimming on dissociatives or downers is pretty dangerous, sure, but trippy swimming? All good as far as I'm concerned, can't really see the potential for danger (unless you're taking ego-dissolving doses, but they're hardly suited for outdoor activities). Besides, with kayaking you've got a safe, stable platform, so I think it's probably safer than swimming in many ways.

 

[abracadabra girl]

Here is my opinion of the best psychedelic compounds a beginner could start with.

In my opinion and my many experiences, I think that the BEST psychedelics (and possible dosages) for first timers are (in order of best to worst, #1 would be the best one out of this list, and the last one would probably be the least ideal one on the list [although they are still good beginner psychedelics when compared to the others]):

1. 2C-I (16-20mg) <-----This is by far the BEST one for newbies. It presents NO ego loss in my experience, and is basically like a happy time with colorful visuals. Almost like psychedelic MDMA, without the extreme MDMA euphoria.

2. 2C-B (16-20mg) <-----I would say this is almost just as good as 2C-I for beginners, though it is a bit more psychedelic than 2C-I (especially at high doses). Not quite as ideal for 2C-I for a first timer (IMO), but very very close.

3. 4-AcO-DMT (~15-20mg) <-----MUCH, MUCH better choice than mushrooms for a first timer. Effects are nearly identical to mushrooms (4-HO-DMT), except there is not nearly as much ego loss/mind-fuck and it lasts like 2 hours longer. It actually seems to relax/sedate you a bit before the trip. I personally love this compound and think it would be a great starter. I don't know why (because they are so similar in chemical structure), but they are MUCH MUCH smoother than mushrooms. A lot of people I know also like it BETTER than mushrooms.

4. LSD (100-150mcg) <-----Probably the best "common" psychedelic to start out with, in my opinion. Much much easier to start with than mushrooms, in my experience. Mushrooms are no joke, even though they are quite common. While mushrooms just hack at your ego unforgivingly, LSD kind of picks it apart at it like a puzzle...it would be more comfortable for beginners, at least in my experience.

P.S. I did not include MDMA in this list, because it is the most predictable psychedelic and causes extreme euphoria for most (it's not a traditional visual/mindfuck psychedelic, more for pleasure IMO). If I were to include MDMA, it would be #1 on the list, because it is by far the easiest to handle.

What's your take on 2c-e?

 

[Tunnelfission]

Swimming on dissociatives or downers is pretty dangerous, sure, but trippy swimming? All good as far as I'm concerned, can't really see the potential for danger (unless you're taking ego-dissolving doses, but they're hardly suited for outdoor activities). Besides, with kayaking you've got a safe, stable platform, so I think it's probably safer than swimming in many ways.

Some people are far more comfortable and capable psychedelic users. I for one would feel very confident in many physically dangerous situations while on a trip, but I can also empathize for people who would get extreme anxiety from anything dangerous while in an altered state.

I love the extra adrenaline that one can get from say climbing a tree while tripping but just the same I think that intensity would be FAR much worse if I fell out of the tree and injured myself unexpectedly while on say mushrooms

 

[tBirdee]

Just let go

 

[Vader]

@tunnelfission: My point was that it's not a dangerous situation at all. Climbing trees is much riskier than swimming imo.

 

[Hallucinogenius]

2ci is a great starter psychedelic, as most people don t find it too profound, it is rather stimulating. some prefer to head out and party, some like outdoors trips. Personally i find that trying something on psychs is a great way of rediscovering activities you usually do. Basically anything you normally like you might enjoy more.

I just wanted to say i found 2C-I to be mildly uncomfortable and the body load can be quite distracting, Id recomend 2c-b more so as your first psychedelic. But to each his own

But totally agree with you on the rediscovering activities.