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The Big & Dandy First-Time-Tripper Thread

I recommend shrooms and observe setting rules. Have a nice comfy area to trip in and preferably a large backyard with a reclining lawn chair or something to lay down on. The ideal place is an area full of natural beauty. You haven't lived until you've tripped in Denali Park Alaska or some place like that :).

The worst place to have a psychedelic experience is in a loud thumping club or some dark dingy room.

As long as you observe basic trip safety rules and setting it shouldn't matter what you take because that's half of what you need to ensure a good experience already.
 
Please don't do salvia. It's really fucking horrible. HBWR isn't great either in my opinion, more nausea and body load than it's worth. I would agree with day tripping, my first trip involved about an hour of intense terror until one of us turned the lights on, at which point it became one of the best experiences of my life.
 
Metamorphyk said:
Microdot underneath the eyelid should sort you out. Otherwise a tab is standard for first timers.
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That under the eye lid stuff can be extremely intense for a first timer. A guy I know did it, the tab fell out and he thought his brain fell out. Took a few seconds to calm him down
 
Whatever you do don't go with the HBWR, it simply doesn't compare to the other substances that you or others have mentioned and the potential for nausea and dysphoria could end up seriously putting you off psychedelics.

I would have though 2C-I would be a really easy first time trip, but a friend of mine recently took it for her first experience and then we did 2C-E around a month later. Afterwards she said she really wished she'd had 2C-E the first time as whilst its alot more 'full-on' it also alot more enjoyable and in her eyes less likely to cause doubt/paranoia. Her flatmate recently took 2C-E on his first time and whilst I think it may have blown his mind slightly at the time, within a week he was wondering after where he'd be able to get some more in future.

Personally though I'd reccomend mushrooms, its easy to temper the dose to what you feel is appropriate and the knowledge that they're a natural substance without an LD50 rather than a chemical (a word with pejorative connotations of toxicity) was a great comfort to me when I first experimented with drugs.
 
they're a natural substance without an LD50 rather than a chemical
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Mushrooms contain 4-HO-DMT, a chemical, which does have a lethal dose (albeit a high one). The word "chemical" might have a more negative association than the term "natural substance", but that doesn't mean that natural substances are safer than chemicals. The supposed dichotomy between "harmless" natural drugs and "dangerous" chemicals is BS.
 
Yerg said:
Mushrooms contain 4-HO-DMT, a chemical, which does have a lethal dose (albeit a high one). The word "chemical" might have a more negative association than the term "natural substance", but that doesn't mean that natural substances are safer than chemicals. The supposed dichotomy between "harmless" natural drugs and "dangerous" chemicals is BS.
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While I wholeheartedly agree with this its one of those things thats socialized into us from a young age so it does take some of the edge off for that first time use before we have an understanding of how something affects us.

Also to the OP drink milk along your trip, even if youre not freaking out it helps things roll along nice and smoothly
 
Metamorphyk said:
Microdot underneath the eyelid should sort you out. Otherwise a tab is standard for first timers.
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That's absolutely terrible advice. Its just plain stupid to put LSD in your eyes unless you yourself mixed a solution from crystal. Putting a microdot underneath your eyelid is just dumb, you have no idea whether or not thats going to be harmful to your vision or possibly blind you! :\

Zakalwe said:
Personally though I'd reccomend mushrooms, its easy to temper the dose to what you feel is appropriate and the knowledge that they're a natural substance without an LD50 rather than a chemical (a word with pejorative connotations of toxicity) was a great comfort to me when I first experimented with drugs.
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I respectfully disagree on that one. Since mushrooms are a natural product, the amounts of psychoactive indoles can vary dramatically from batch to batch, and even from one individual mushroom to another from the same batch. If you have a pure compound and an accurate scale, you can be absolutely sure of the amount of material you are ingesting.

BTW, the dichotomy of chemical vs. natural is a blatantly false one, as everything in the universe that is made of matter is a chemical.
 
ASquishyApple said:
first of all i'm just trying to gain more knowledge before i make my own decision so i hope this doesn't count as a "what should i take thread"
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It doesn't but this will be merged into the first-time tripper thread :)

To go over a couple drugs to try for your first time IMO:

Salvia: Strange, elusive, unpredictable, atypical, it's really something to be explored when you already have a basis to build on. The difficulty level is
pretty high and so is the weirdness!

5-MeO-DMT? Never tried but much too intense for a first timer. Falls into the "ultimate" category

2C-E is one of the roughest of the 2C-X, well I shouldn't say rough but it is
elaborate, deep and complex so I think it falls into the "advanced" category

4-AcO-DMT I have tried only once really, what is exceptional to me is that it
appears to start smoothly and continues gently... unparallelled at that, but underneath is a massive DMT-ish force that is not to be messed with, maybe
it goes about it the right way but for a first time this is still pretty deep!

I would advise low dose LSD or some type of 2C-X that may be available to you... approximating 2C-B perhaps.

LSAs are okay but I really feel thats not representable.

Synthetic phenethylamines go less deep than tryptamines usually, so I would ease into it and learn about the effects then shift the experience gradually on the psychedelic scale to entheogenesis. <3
 
i really wanted to start with lsd or even shrooms but i have been unable to find either. the choices i listed were basically what i could find online.
i would like to try DMT but i'm not able to do an extraction where i'm at right now.
the only 2cs available to me are 2ce, 2ci, and 2ct2. i can also get 5-meo-dmt, 4-aco-dmt, 4-aco-dipt, and 5-meo-dipt. based on what i read i had already kind of eliminated 4-aco-dipt, 5-meo-dipt, and 2ct2 as well as 5-meo-dmt cuz i figure this one is best saved for once i have more psychedelic experience.
i was leaning towards 2ce but now i'm considering 4-aco-dmt more as it seems like it may be a better intro to psychedelics but if any of you feel differently please let me know.
i am mainly looking for something that can be very deep but without too much of an uncomfortable body load.
whatever i do end up getting i'll be ordering 250mgs of it and will make some sort of solution out of it to dose with as i do not have access to a good enough scale nor do i plan on purchasing one as i don't think i'll be experimenting with rcs very much for now.
i would start with a very low dose (10mg or less) and slowly slowly work my way up

also is there any known toxicity or ld50 on any of these?
 
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^They're research chemicals, the toxicity hasn't been investigated nor lethal doses. As an aside, I believe LD50 is an outdated measure of lethality and has been superseded by other measures in the scientific community. Starting with a low dose and titrating up is certainly prudent, but even 10mg might be too high, erowid gives 2mg as the threshold dose for 2c-e for example.
 
yeah but i'd like to actually get a feel for the substance not just a threshold experience. shulgin's dosages are 10-25mg from what i've read 20+mg experiences are quite intense. i figured i'd start with 10mg and not go much beyond 15mg for a while. but if i go with psilacetin my dosing may be different as i haven't really looked into the dosages on this one yet
 
I've eaten shrooms two times now. Both times the same type, but from different batches.

First trip: 1,2g (level 3-4), at home, with 1 friend (+ a massive joint) 8o
Second trip (5 weeks later): 1,05g (level 2-3), at home, with 2 friends (+ 3 massive joints) :D

For the third trip I'm thinking 1,2 - 1,5g tripping at home with 2 or 3 friends, without movies, just music + PS3 visualizer and no more than 2 joints of weed. 8o:D

Any proposals,comments?
 
^^I understand that, but you should be cautious both because you may be particularly sensitive to these drugs, and because 2c-e has a very steep dose-response curve. 20mg+ doses are intense for those who are already experienced with powerful psychedelics, but lower doses than this will rock the world of the uninitiated. What I'm trying to get at here is that even a "common" dose trip is intense, and you wouldn't want to get in over your depth.
 
Nobody here can really recommend which drug you take as such - straying a bit too far into "What should I take?" territory there.

I've yet to sample 4-AcO-DMT but found 2C-E considerably less scary than its reputation suggests. Yerg is bang on the money with the steep dose/response curve though - literally one or two mg either side of your sweet spot and you're in for a seriously bumpy ride :|

From the list of drugs you mention, I'd suggest 2C-I would be the "easiest" to tackle to begin with but that's really a decision that only you can make.
 
ASquishyApple said:
so the bodyload for 2ci isn't too bad?
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Not bad at all - just very stimulating. Most folks find 2C-E far worse (although I kinda like the bodyload from it... at least when plugged not orally - ick :|). 2C-E is definitely more of a "classical" psychedelic. Depends what you're looking for really. They all have their good and bad points. Decisions, decisions - hard life, eh? :D
 
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