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The Big & Dandy First-Time-Tripper Thread

thizz505 said:
Yo, i wanna try some shrooms.
I have a few questions about it.

Like how many grams should i take?
And how can i prevent myself from getting a bad trip.
And what should i do while on them?
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1.5 - 2 grams for a lighter trip
2.5 - 3 for a medium trip
3 and up for a strong trip

1. However, everyone reacts differently so 1.5 or 2 grams may be a mindblowing experience for you or it could be a waste of good shrooms. I'd say start on the lower scale like 1.5 and increase by .5 every hour or so until you get where you want to be.
2. Relax, watch T.V. or listen to music or chill with friends. Carry some benzos on you for security (2mg xanax), however don't use them unless it's a real emergency.
3. I'd say listen to trippy music or go outside and experience nature like never before. Do whatever and go wherever the shrooms take you.
 
I would say that mushrooms are probably the best for a first time.
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I would have to disagree in the strongest possible terms. Mushrooms, for me, are a lot scarier, confusing, and mindfuck than LSD, which has for me always been a lot more lucid and forgiving. Your mileage will vary, of course, and this is very subjective, but I think a lot of people will agree that a reasonable dose of LSD is easier to control than mushrooms. I never understood why some people believe that mushrooms are a milder trip, or easier to handle; maybe because they are "natural" (what does that mean, anyhow?) or, for some, easier to access. Some college partying types would even eat mushrooms and fear/look down on LSD.

Just to be clear, I don't want to disparage mushrooms, I think they are a wonderful and a very important and useful psychedelic worthy of respect ... which is why I don't approve of people treating them casually. I'm not saying anyone here is, just kind of going off on a tangent here, but I'd really like to highlight that the conventional wisdom about mushrooms being good for a first trip may not be such a good idea. The one advantage that I can think of for mushrooms, however, is the length of the trip ... the long-lasting effects of LSD can have even experienced trippers wondering when it's gonna end, mushrooms are a more compact experience ... but perhaps one that is more difficult to control.
 
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Shrooms and LSD

. Shrooms can very easily overwhelm you. Even experience trippers can get knocked on their ass by over doing it with shrooms.
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No doubt. My boyfriend has dosed over 20 times and had up to 8 hits of acid at a time and when we did shrooms he was completely scared and overwhelmed. He had all sorts of music and cool stuff for us to do and we could do nothing but sit apart, quietly waiting for it to end and trying to remember to breath.
 
SomeKindaLove said:
I would have to disagree in the strongest possible terms. Mushrooms, for me, are a lot scarier, confusing, and mindfuck than LSD, which has for me always been a lot more lucid and forgiving. Your mileage will vary, of course, and this is very subjective, but I think a lot of people will agree that a reasonable dose of LSD is easier to control than mushrooms. I never understood why some people believe that mushrooms are a milder trip, or easier to handle; maybe because they are "natural" (what does that mean, anyhow?) or, for some, easier to access. Some college partying types would even eat mushrooms and fear/look down on LSD.

Just to be clear, I don't want to disparage mushrooms, I think they are a wonderful and a very important and useful psychedelic worthy of respect ... which is why I don't approve of people treating them casually. I'm not saying anyone here is, just kind of going off on a tangent here, but I'd really like to highlight that the conventional wisdom about mushrooms being good for a first trip may not be such a good idea. The one advantage that I can think of for mushrooms, however, is the length of the trip ... the long-lasting effects of LSD can have even experienced trippers wondering when it's gonna end, mushrooms are a more compact experience ... but perhaps one that is more difficult to control.
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Yeah, I guess I'm a little biased because of the amazing first experience mushrooms showed me...they definetly can get out of control easily and they do have that "dark" feel to them which may not be good for a first tripper. Someone once put it perfectly: If a trip was like being in a car, an acid trip would be like being in the driver seat while a shroom troop is like being in the passenger seat. LSD is much easier to control yourself while shrooms kinda control you instead. However I only really find that applicable at medium to high doses of both substances. Low dose shrooms are pretty easy to control and would make a nice trip.

Also, with shrooms it's easier to control dosage...with acid you never know how much is on each tab unless you made it or personally know the chemist (also the possible DOx stuff that goes on now 8) ).

Anyways, whatever you choose, good luck and I hope you find what you're looking for in the psychedelic experience.
 
Lsd with no sober person?

me and my friend are going to do lsd-25 and he says well be fine with no "sober person". he claims lsd is overrated and we wont bug becuase we didn't bug on shrooms. but idk if its that bad. is it hard to bring someone out of a bad trip if were both tripping. like he trys to bring me out of it or is it that we need someone sober there.
 
You'll be fine as long as your not taking a heroic dose of LSD. Hell back in the day I would drop acid solo all the time and never had any problems. Also if your fine on shrooms you shouldnt have any difficulties with LSD. As far as bringing someone out of a bad trip just make sure you have your favorite up beat positive music on hand and ready to go...

Have a fun trip:)
 
I have a couple of well-needed corrections. LSD is not underrated. It is misunderstood. Having a bad trip is like being in a bad mood except that the badness is generally more existential and less related to the occurences of the day. And the kicker is thus... you're always solo when you trip. You're always solo when you're alive. Reality is not something that happens to you; it is something you create. So if you dependent type another person might well be what you need, but strive for independence. Humans need company, but even with other people we're alone with our own minds.

Peace,
PL
 
^great post.

While I'd agree that a "trip sitter" is not necessarily needed if taking a small dose, sometimes it can be nice to have; on the other hand, sometimes it can be strange or awkward to have someone who isn't on the same wavelength. For harm reductions' sake you should have ACCESS to one and one who will be able to provide you with a safe situation should you need it, but it's not needed to have one following you around all the time, unless you're taking heavy doses or are going to be venturing out into possibly dangerous situations/wandering around in public. Please stay in a safe environment, and keep things positive, and you'll most likely be fine.
 
Pimp Lazy said:
I have a couple of well-needed corrections. LSD is not underrated. It is misunderstood. Having a bad trip is like being in a bad mood except that the badness is generally more existential and less related to the occurences of the day. And the kicker is thus... you're always solo when you trip. You're always solo when you're alive. Reality is not something that happens to you; it is something you create. So if you dependent type another person might well be what you need, but strive for independence. Humans need company, but even with other people we're alone with our own minds.

Peace,
PL
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I would say that you described a difficult trip, not a bad one. A bad trip, I view as something more along the lines of not knowing what's going on, freaking out hysterically. Not necessarily freaking out by being scared or in a bad (negative as opposed to a more positive) mood, but just freaking. You could be totally unaware of everything, doing things that are harmful or dangerous.
 
jcr4ck said:
me and my friend are going to do lsd-25 and he says well be fine with no "sober person". he claims lsd is overrated and we wont bug becuase we didn't bug on shrooms. but idk if its that bad. is it hard to bring someone out of a bad trip if were both tripping. like he trys to bring me out of it or is it that we need someone sober there.
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I actually think that's a good mindset to go into a trip with. A lot of times, difficult trips happen becuase of worrying about a bad trip or such. I always seem to worry and most of my trips are pretty difficult (unless I trip with other people, but then it is usually either just bad, or pretty shallow... that's me though).

I'm jealous of my friends who don't worry about it at all, claiming that bad trips are all mental and they won't "allow' themselves to have them.

Sure they could still have a "bad trip" and it would be a rude awakening, but so could someone who has the thought in the back of their mind...
 
I say there is no such thing as a bad trip (barring a psychotic freakout or the like), only a 'difficult' trip, and those can be the most useful. I don't think cockiness with regard to psychedelics is helpful, though.
 
SomeKindaLove said:
I say there is no such thing as a bad trip (barring a psychotic freakout or the like), only a 'difficult' trip, and those can be the most useful. I don't think cockiness with regard to psychedelics is helpful, though.
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Agreed in every way, shape, and form. "Bad trip" is a phrase thrown around far, far too much.
 
jcr4ck said:
me and my friend are going to do lsd-25 and he says well be fine with no "sober person". he claims lsd is overrated and we wont bug becuase we didn't bug on shrooms. but idk if its that bad. is it hard to bring someone out of a bad trip if were both tripping. like he trys to bring me out of it or is it that we need someone sober there.
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I think the thing with tripping is it's very enjoyable, but it takes a special person to really appreciate it for what it is. I know the experiences I've had, I could never, ever in my wildest dreams over exaggerate how absolutely wonderful and wondrous they were.
 
^Um....so you're saying that only certain kinds of people can truly appreciate psychedelics and the experiences they offer?

Granted, some people simply never delve deeper into these drugs and do it for fun and kicks, but who is to say that those that take it for the mind-expanding and revalatory discoveries are any more "special" than those who just take them to see pretty colours?

Please, let's not perpetuate the elitism and "us vs them" that can come with the use of psychedelics.
 
psycosynthesis said:
^Um....so you're saying that only certain kinds of people can truly appreciate psychedelics and the experiences they offer?

Granted, some people simply never delve deeper into these drugs and do it for fun and kicks, but who is to say that those that take it for the mind-expanding and revalatory discoveries are any more "special" than those who just take them to see pretty colours?

Please, let's not perpetuate the elitism and "us vs them" that can come with the use of psychedelics.
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Sorta I guess...I'm saying when I first tripped I was like "Hey this is lots of fun, and I feel DAMN good." but after a couple times I really started seeing the potential. I really learned a lot about myself, my potentials, and life in general.

Maybe it comes with a couple of uses, but I'm saying some people seem like they never got quite the magical experiences I've had.
 
I know exactly what you mean mate. Been there. Most of us here have I would say.

However, the fact that we had such experiences doesn't make us any more "special", "enlightened" or whatever you want to say than those who haven't. So let's not differentiate and draw lines in the sand between those who have and haven't. We're all human and all essentially equal.
 
^Um....so you're saying that only certain kinds of people can truly appreciate psychedelics and the experiences they offer?
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Thats kinda the good thing with psychedelics; they offer the same experience-potential to everyone, just depends on how each person decides to take it. One mans trash in another mans treasure....:) Plenty of people I know love acid and psychedelia but see not much beyond recreation in them. Other people I know moderate forums about these drugs....their the odd ones.
 
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