The Big & Dandy First-Time-Tripper Thread

[Obyron]

Its almost summer. I feel in a great place and i wanted to expand my horizons.

Read a book.

In before the close. PD isn't here to tell you what drugs to try!

...but go with LSD or mushrooms. You just can't go wrong with either of those two.

 

[burn out]

he said easy availability. lsd is hardly easy availability or chances are he already would have some and be asking about it.

 

[Obyron]

Nothing is easy availability if you don't know someone who has it. If he already had a friend who could get him things, it'd be a "Guys, should I do shrooms, 5-meo-DMT, or 2C-B?" thread like we get once every other day. He seems to imply that he's starting from scratch, which would seem to indicate that LSD would be no less likely than anything else, and certainly much more likely than, say, DPT.

Point taken, but I interpreted him a little differently, and happen to disagree with your conclusion.

 

[Rexeh]

I would recommend starting out with low amounts of the lighter versions like small amounts of LSA seeds, Plain Salvia leaf and no extracts etc, that kind of stuff, do your research good and extensive and gradually move up the scale if you like the mostly milder (this can vary, no individual is the same ofcourse - thanks whoever corrected me on this ) compared to normal LSD/mushrooms/DMT/etc) dosages/effects.

It's the way I'm doing it now ATM since I have no real connection other than the legal highs so going to try more LSA next time, bought Salvia 5x extract, and try to find the real psychedelics some time in my life more actively since I have been interested in them for quite a few years already.

IMHO It's best to start out with the lighter stuff or light and/or small doses of real psychs, and see if you like the particular effects before you have a bad/too heavy experience the first time and never indulge in the mystical realm of psychedelics (LSA + salvia has shown me bits and pieces on my first trip, a wonderful experience in my life) again.
Which is in my opinion truly interesting and deserves a lot of research before trying to enter that world, stay safe and peace :D

Might be trying Mescaline (San Pedro) this summer maybe, looking forward to it

 

[burn out]

nothing is easy availability if you don't know someone who has it.

not true. there are plenty of things that are easily accessible without needing friends who have them. mushrooms can be grown on your own with relative ease. nitrous oxide is legal. so is salvia, as well as plants containing LSA. DMT and mescaline.

 

[It's a baby!]

Mescaline has a reputation as being a very "soft" psychedelic (though still mind-blowing, just not as jarring as more common ones). I'd say extract some mescaline from legal cacti, you can find all you need to know about this from google, and then start with like 300mg of that.

 

[vegan]

I would recommend starting out with the lighter versions like LSA seeds, Plain Salvia leaf, that kind of stuff, and gradually move up the scale if you like the (obviously mild compared to LSD/mushrooms/DMT/etc) effects

"obviously mild" !!!?
what the hell are you talking about?

don't extrapolate a personal experience ("obviously with a mild dose of those" ) to what others may get from the same drugs in a different context

i've had a stronger experience on lsa seeds than on 18 lsd blotters
it's dose and metabolism dependent
drugs don't have the same effects on different people, all the more since you can't pretend to equal doses between them

 

[Rexeh]

"obviously mild" !!!?
what the hell are you talking about?

don't extrapolate a personal experience ("obviously with a mild dose of those" ) to what others may get from the same drugs in a different context

i've had a stronger experience on lsa seeds than on 18 lsd blotters
it's dose and metabolism dependent
drugs don't have the same effects on different people, all the more since you can't pretend to equal doses between them

With a mild dose I also meant a small dose, forgot to add that, thanks for pointing out that tho, will edit the post, also my experience was with 4 - 6 HBWR seeds and plain salvia leaf, no extracted versions etc

Only weigh about 55 kilos also, so I take smaller doses than most people most of the time, me = small guy (172 cm)

 

[Deepthroat]

Well, I smoke weed and cigarettes every day. I've done salvia , and I do K like a few times a month. That's it. I'm doing shrooms NEXT weekend.
Anyways , I've done so much research on LSD and I'm very tempted to try it after shrooms. I pretty much know all my facts from here , erowid.org , other drug sites on Google and from talking to expierienced LSD users.

All I want to know is some tips.

1. How can I have a good trip? I'm scared of seeing spiders on my arms or something and having a panic attack.

2. Is it easy to forget you're tripping? When I smoked salvia , I thought EVERYTHING, all my visions were real.

3. Is it better to drop acid on a full or empty stomach? I've heard of people shitting on the floor while on acid, I don't want that to happen to me :s

^____________^

Oh and has anyone here had a bad acid trip their first time , but tried it again and got a good one?

 

[SKL]

Well, I smoke weed and cigarettes every day. I've done salvia , and I do K like a few times a month. That's it. I'm doing shrooms NEXT weekend.
Anyways , I've done so much research on LSD and I'm very tempted to try it after shrooms. I pretty much know all my facts from here , erowid.org , other drug sites on Google and from talking to expierienced LSD users.

All I want to know is some tips.

1. How can I have a good trip? I'm scared of seeing spiders on my arms or something and having a panic attack.

This is really not typical of the sort of visuals&experiences you get on LSD. Bad trips and negative experiences are actually fairly rare if you take a few precautions, mainly having to do with being in a good set and setting.

2. Is it easy to forget you're tripping? When I smoked salvia , I thought EVERYTHING, all my visions were real.

Typically you can differentiate reality from the trip, at least in a gross sort of way, very easily. don't get me wrong, your thought process will be altered, but you will usually be able to sort things out.

LSD is very unlike salvia, BTW, in what I would consider a pleasant way.

3. Is it better to drop acid on a full or empty stomach? I've heard of people shitting on the floor while on acid, I don't want that to happen to me :s

I wouldn't worry about shitting on the floor. People are of different minds with regards to food but i like to eat a light but nutritious meal prior to the journey to provide me with some energy but not load up my body too much.

Oh and has anyone here had a bad acid trip their first time , but tried it again and got a good one?

Not me personally, but yes, several people I know.

And a word aout "bad" trips -- the only "bad" trip,really,is a total psychotic freakout, which is QUITE rare. What most people call a "bad" trip is a "difficult" trip, and those can be the most productive & ultimately positive of all.

 

[AireePotter]

I'm gonna try mushrooms for the first time!

So my friend hooked it up with some shrooms...that I'm gonna try in the evening tomorrow with 1 or 2 other people that I'm comfortable with. Most of it is powder/shakes, with a couple of stems/caps. The guy that gave it to me just told me to mix the powder with orange juice or something..HA. Would this work? And does the powder really work, and if so, how much more potent/weak is it than the caps and stems? (I have NO experience with shrooms at all fyi) Also, how much would I need to have a decent trip. Because honestly, I don't wanna take too much by accident and trip the fuck out, especially because it's my first time...I wouldn't wanna get scared away from it, because I consider myself a psychedelics kinda gal


Also, what do you guys suggest is the best environment/music to listen to so that there would be minimal chances of bad tripping? And yes, I know my attitude going into it affects it a lot as well


Thanks guys!

 

[grimble crumble]

yes it will work if the powder is just ground up shrooms.

theres debate over caps and stems psilocybin/psilocin content, some say caps are slightly more others say stems theres research for both but I think its generally the same and doesnt matter really.

my first time I took 1.75g had a good trip I know I could have handled more looking back. I say try 2 grams for your first time, that would give you a good demonstraion of mushroom effects.

most of good luck, mushrooms can be funny as hell or IN YOUR FACE, extremely versatile effects. except what it gives you.

have fun

post back and let us know how it goes!

EDIT just curious what other substances have you done?

 

[AireePotter]

EDIT just curious what other substances have you done?

hey, thanks for some of the tips

i'm a regular pot smoker...my first contact was back in Fall '06. I've also been dropping since Dec '06. I just figured I want to expand my horizons :D

 

[Deepthroat]

Thank you , SomeKindaLove
I'll remember what you said when I drop 'cid
wooo can't wait

 

[Rexeh]

Mescaline - First time

Might be trying Mescaline (San Pedro) this summer maybe, looking forward to it

The San Pedro is coming my way next week! :D So ofcourse I have a few basic questions since I find multiple sources stating multiple things like different dosages etc.

1 - Is it true that the amount of Mescaline in a San Pedro cactus can vary a lot?

2 - What is the best preparation method? I heard something about boiling in water for about 2 hours but don't know if it's the best method.

3 - What is the recommended dosage for a 55 kg / 173 cm first time tripper? (only had LSA and Salvia 5x before)

4 - Can I expect a visual trip only or does it contain a mindf*ck also? I am really looking forward to seeing some visuals but don't care a lot about my thoughts while tripping since meditation helps me clear my mind

Sorry for all these (maybe obvious) questions, but I'm sure someone here has enough knowledge to answer some of these questions or can provide some links with reliable information. Thanks in advantage

Thought about posting it in the mescaline thread, but since it's my first real trip on something like mescaline (with visuals etc.) having good information and knowing what to expect can reduce the chance of a bad trip. My set and setting will be good with some goa/psy trance, lots of weed and a few diazepams to help me with the comeup. (I'm always pretty nervous when trying something for the first time so I always take 10-20 mg of Diazepam to help calm the nerves)

Peace o/

 

[Xorkoth]

I don't know how to answer all of these, but I will answer the ones I know about:

1 - Yes, the mescaline content can vary quite widely.

4 - It's actually not super-visual like mushrooms or LSD are... at high doses it can get that way, but at regular doses it's more like it makes colors stand out beautifully and it sort of makes everything seem beautiful and wondrous. You might get some good CEVs as well, and a little bit of shifting and morphing. I love the visual effects of mescaline but it's not wildly visual.

Mescaline contains mental effects for sure. I find it quite a calming substance though... it's really quite centering and peaceful. It's meditative and reflective, great for thinking and talking and just being. I highly recommend taking it outside during the day... it really works best that way. It's definitely an outdoors type of substance. I think taking it inside would be a bit of a waste... mescaline always seems to want to push me outside. I have a hard time imagining a bad trip on mescaline. Do you take diazepam regularly? If not, even 10-20mg will probably mute the psychedelic effects slightly... probably not a big deal, but I find the comeup and the experence overall to not really produce much, if any, anxiety.

It's a beautiful substance... maybe a bit different than you're imagining. Have fun!

 

[grimble crumble]

The San Pedro is coming my way next week! :D So ofcourse I have a few basic questions since I find multiple sources stating multiple things like different dosages etc.

1 - Is it true that the amount of Mescaline in a San Pedro cactus can vary a lot?

2 - What is the best preparation method? I heard something about boiling in water for about 2 hours but don't know if it's the best method.

3 - What is the recommended dosage for a 55 kg / 173 cm first time tripper? (only had LSA and Salvia 5x before)

4 - Can I expect a visual trip only or does it contain a mindf*ck also? I am really looking forward to seeing some visuals but don't care a lot about my thoughts while tripping since meditation helps me clear my mind

Sorry for all these (maybe obvious) questions, but I'm sure someone here has enough knowledge to answer some of these questions or can provide some links with reliable information. Thanks in advantage

Thought about posting it in the mescaline thread, but since it's my first real trip on something like mescaline (with visuals etc.) having good information and knowing what to expect can reduce the chance of a bad trip. My set and setting will be good with some goa/psy trance, lots of weed and a few diazepams to help me with the comeup. (I'm always pretty nervous when trying something for the first time so I always take 10-20 mg of Diazepam to help calm the nerves)

Peace o/

1. yes very true, this is why people some times dose low on first trips with new cactus, so they can determine strength. ive heard of 16grams being a good test dose but that is playing wayyyyyy safe go with a 25g

2. best method, well for what really? for getting down to pure mesc or just reducing the amount of cacti matter your going to need to consume. I generally dont fuss over this much at all. ive never really found the nausea to bad at all... the cat however is disgusting. the most simple way and way ive chosen to ingest my cacti is parachuting a couple grams at a time. make sure you use a very thin material though becuase your going to need multiple parachutes.

3. I say go with a 25gram dose, its good enough to give you a solid trip and determine potency without going overboard.

4. as xorkoth said its not as visual as LSD or mushrooms until you get to higher doses. visually on a normal dose trip expect colors of things to be much clearer and fuller, as if you just seen the color for the first time type of deal, probably get closed eye coloring. One visual aspect that is my absolute favorite that mescaline provides is seeing the world through a highly skilled photographers eyes... scenes are presented to you well atleast to me. you see the world how it really is, beautiful.

as far as mindfuck... again hard to explain when your on mescaline your definetily tripping.. quite hard as a matter of fact but its nothing like a mushroom mind fuck.. I would state it like this mushrooms are like a very strict teacher that get right in your face, mescaline is like mother nature gently wrapping around you and whispering straight into your soul this is life then doing the come here motion with her finger and taking you on a journey.

I also think mescaline is going to be much different than you imagine.

number one thing got to be said DO IT IN NATURE, go for hike, go camping, go to lake , just be IN NATURE.

such an amazing thing cacti is.

 

[luckyrollz26]

Acid For My First Time Tonight

im going to be trippin tonight for my first time. i'm really excited. i did use to be scared a long time ago about seeing demons and spiders while on it, but im not scared like that anymore. im really excited and looking forward to it. we will be in a comfortable place with good friends and a sitter to look after us. i was just wondering what should i be expecting. will i see real hallucinations or just mainly lights wiggling around?

and in the case of an emergency, like panic attacks, or bad trips, whether with me or my friend, what good tips are there? is xanax okay to take in that case to calm us down or is it a bad combination?

i also take effexor daily for anxiety and depression, which is an SNRI. Is this a bad combination with acid? Although I dont feel that my depression and anxiety will come out bad in this trip. Thanks.

 

[LSDreamer]

Effexor shouldn't be a problem. As for Xanax. Well, personally, it is my opinion that trips should only be aborted in the most extreme cases. IMO, it is better to let the person ride it out and come to terms with whatever personal demon it is that they're likely confronting.

 

[Dextro 2C]

Some of my most deepest realizations have come from my most frightening trips.

Ride it out and you will be happy you did.