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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

Oral ROA works wonders. What´s the benefit in vaporizing? Fastest onset?. Oral/sublingual is pretty fast as well...
 
One question for experienced users: how does this substance affect the quality of your sleeping? I have used it only two times, at 8-10 mg doses, and both I could go to sleep after some hours (more or less at the same level as MXE), but I had a mostly restless night, waking often and not sleeping as deeply as usual. Not as terrible as with 3-meo-pcp, that did not let me sleep at all, but also anoying.
 
Vaporization I was hoping to save material. I like oral, but can't function at a club or bar, too much "wait, where are we?". That's why I went the nasal route which is just "psychedelic cocaine" but I find myself using 60-100mg (10-20mg bumps) a night. (I have pure product but crazy tolerance)

That's vs the single (sometimes twice in a day) oral dose (46mg is my sweet spot now) but that then wears off or leaves me too confused.

I'm planning to do a DPT/Eticyclidone combo intramuscular injection soon. I've had a bunch of DPT that has been begging to play with diss's again. But if I can just do DPT injection and vape the eticyclidone.... then I think I would prefer that. (I'm chasing a ketamine/DPT-esqe void that I believe will be in this combo)

During the month I used it, I found myself sleeping a lot less but still feeling rested. Now when I use it here and there, if I use it in the morning, I tend to take a nap in the afternoon or go into a very deep sleep during the night.
 
Im noone to judge noone else. But Im getting near hole experiences at 3-5mg. If your sweet spot is 46mgs you probably have gone a bit too far and a bit too fast... take it easy, man!
 
I used it for a month. I since stopped and only use it on occasion. Also, I am on a medication that dulls the effects significant amounts.

Is that 3-5 oral?
 
I have not tried oral so I can't compare it to vaping or insufflation.

Insufflation requires a relatively small amount, has a fast smooth onset and no burn or other nasal discomfort.

Vaping requires maybe half the amount (at least in my case. I like to think I'm vaping this very efficiently. Not burning it and not losing vape because I'm using a tube that's open on one end with a tiny hole so little to none gets out in between hits.) has a more jarring onset than insufflation, where I go from quickly coming up to peaking within a few minutes and an overall much shorter duration. It's more intense but shorter. It's easier for me to titrate how deep I want to go because it simply involves less tokes, waiting a bit between tokes, etc.

The main gripe I have with dissociatives is unlike nearly every other chemical, I can't tell how messed up I am compared to society's baseline. Time dilation, slurred speech, mobility, general awkwardness, is all NOT obvious while under the influence and is only evident in hindsight when explicitly pointed out by the sober (usually drug naive but nevertheless wonderful) members of society. I find I can take a lot of, say, MXE, and mumble my way through a few hours of life thinking I just aced that conversation or social event only to sober up and realize I really messed things up.

And the worst thing is it has proved impossible thus far to get a sitter/any sober person to point out the blatant social menace that one-messed-up-on-dissociatives can be with enough conviction to cause this person to take a deep breath, say SORRY and THANK YOU and sit with head down and mouth closed in shame in the corner until sobering up. Instead I either brush this person off or feel too euphoric to imagine that this nitpicking about how coherent one sounds to be a big enough problem to address by shaming me when society has bigger problems on its hands, problems that may be very evident in the dissociative head state. "Dissociated" from society along with one's self is a pretty accurate and probably one of the desired effects of these substances. To me anyway.

That being said, I like vaping because I can enjoy the craziness of this head space in a more controlled manner and should I overdo it (which as of now has been 100% of the time) I'll be back to baseline in no time.
 
Hey. I took 500 mg (do not ask me why - I do not know) and got epileptic seizure. My lower lip badly swollen, I had severe cramps, I also hit my head and suffered a concussion. After that I went to the emergency department of the hospital.
But the saddest thing is that I took a bite of the tongue, which is not able to recover, and now I have a noticeable speech impediment.

I suffered a lot because of my carelessness. Do not repeat my mistakes.
 
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Sweetshare said:
Hey. I took 500 mg (do not ask me why - I do not know) and got epileptic seizure. My lower lip badly swollen, I had severe cramps, I also hit my head and suffered a concussion. After that I went to the emergency department of the hospital.
But the saddest thing is that I took a bite of the tongue, which is not able to recover, and now I have a noticeable speech impediment.

I suffered a lot because of my carelessness. Do not repeat my mistakes.
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That was a really terrible idea. 2'-Oxo-PCE seems to be ~3x more potent than MXE? MXE killed ~30 people. It's certainly possible to OD on it. You were lucky to survive.
 
Sorry but 30 deaths is almost 4 times the actual number of 8.
A drug killed 8 people??? That's hardly seems like a dangerous epidemic.
And I'm pretty sure 25i-Nbome has killed more than 8 all on it's own so please don't compare the two.
I really do like MXE but if it turns out to be actually dangerous then I will abandon it like I have with 25i.
Of those 8 deaths (Edit: also, 4 of the total deaths were due to "drowning" not drug overdose) do we no what the circumstances death actually were??? Nope.
Did they inject? Who knows...
The other 22 deaths were from mixed drug interactions which is brutally unfair to blame on MXE. That's straight up Darwinism at it's finest.
If MXE turns out to be dangerous then so be it but please, let's not start comparing it to the NBOMe series.
A few people die from totally safe over the counter drugs every year.
Everyone's different remember, but let's call it what it really is, 8 deaths were we really don't know enough about the circumstances to make an informed judgment vs how many people that have shovelled MXE up their noses or whatever with no problem.
 
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Mxe is most definitely dangerous in terms of careless use. Don't start pretending we know anything more than real studies and statistics about the safety of these drugs. Both the NBOMe series and MXE can cause serious problems.

My point is these are research chemicals and we don't want to push for banning. Titration and Sitters... please be safe and don't ruin the scene like meph did, and possibly mxe with all the people that chase it now in new drugs.

Sweetshare, I'm glad you didn't die and am sympathetic to you. I hope your recovery goes well.
 
How do you know that all 25I-NBOMe deaths were caused by its own and not combinations with other drugs? Something as simple as caffeine could contribute to it.

I'm not saying that MXE is very dangerous, but it's certainly possible to kill yourself with it. It's not the safest drug around.
 
Marauder said:
I have not tried oral so I can't compare it to vaping or insufflation.

Insufflation requires a relatively small amount, has a fast smooth onset and no burn or other nasal discomfort.

Vaping requires maybe half the amount (at least in my case. I like to think I'm vaping this very efficiently. Not burning it and not losing vape because I'm using a tube that's open on one end with a tiny hole so little to none gets out in between hits.) has a more jarring onset than insufflation, where I go from quickly coming up to peaking within a few minutes and an overall much shorter duration. It's more intense but shorter. It's easier for me to titrate how deep I want to go because it simply involves less tokes, waiting a bit between tokes, etc.

The main gripe I have with dissociatives is unlike nearly every other chemical, I can't tell how messed up I am compared to society's baseline. Time dilation, slurred speech, mobility, general awkwardness, is all NOT obvious while under the influence and is only evident in hindsight when explicitly pointed out by the sober (usually drug naive but nevertheless wonderful) members of society. I find I can take a lot of, say, MXE, and mumble my way through a few hours of life thinking I just aced that conversation or social event only to sober up and realize I really messed things up.

And the worst thing is it has proved impossible thus far to get a sitter/any sober person to point out the blatant social menace that one-messed-up-on-dissociatives can be with enough conviction to cause this person to take a deep breath, say SORRY and THANK YOU and sit with head down and mouth closed in shame in the corner until sobering up. Instead I either brush this person off or feel too euphoric to imagine that this nitpicking about how coherent one sounds to be a big enough problem to address by shaming me when society has bigger problems on its hands, problems that may be very evident in the dissociative head state. "Dissociated" from society along with one's self is a pretty accurate and probably one of the desired effects of these substances. To me anyway.

That being said, I like vaping because I can enjoy the craziness of this head space in a more controlled manner and should I overdo it (which as of now has been 100% of the time) I'll be back to baseline in no time.
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To me it happens the oposite, I rarely use disociatives out of my home, and my flatmate is so used to see me either on disos, a lot of depressants, or psychedelics, that he'll point me out that I'm acting weird when I'm sober, not when I'm high xDDD
 
I think it's very wise to bring up that people have died while on MXE for sake of harm reduction for sure but mixing drugs isn't the same thing as taking a recreational dose of something and dying - which apparently has happened on 25i.
People have taken staggering amounts of MXE and walked away and I'm in no way condoning that sort of thing - I've never taken more than 125mg nasally and that's my max dose.
I very much believe in harm reduction and smart, safe drug use but I do feel that MXE and the NBOMe series are worlds [universes) apart in terms of danger if taken a reasonable (non heroic) dose once in a while.
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
I think it's very wise to bring up that people have died while on MXE for sake of harm reduction for sure but mixing drugs isn't the same thing as taking a recreational dose of something and dying - which apparently has happened on 25i.
People have taken staggering amounts of MXE and walked away and I'm in no way condoning that sort of thing - I've never taken more than 125mg nasally and that's my max dose.
I very much believe in harm reduction and smart, safe drug use but I do feel that MXE and the NBOMe series are worlds [universes) apart in terms of danger if taken a reasonable (non heroic) dose once in a while.
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I should have snorted more than 50g's easily of MXE in two years, with daily use and heavy binges, and I'm still here and functional. I've pushed it really far on dosage, and combos, and never had a bad experience with it. I can't imagine what crazy stuff did those people that died on MXE :S
 
I have to look at that report again, but I did study it, and if I remember correctly of those 8 deaths only one case listed the cause of death as acute MXE toxicity. The other cases involved asphyxiation, drowning etc. all of which could have been prevented with a proper trip sitter.

And now thanks to Sweet Share we are seeing a similar 'therapeutic index' from O-PCE, in that a dosage of an order of magnitude larger than a common dose may not be acutely fatal but does pose significant risk of damage to the internal organs as well as risk of harm due to the extreme level of dissociation.

If you do do something stupid, at least have a trip sitter around to: a) talk you out of it, or if all else fails, b) make sure you don't leave the room, choke on vomit, bite off your tongue etc.
 
Which ROA is the least physically impairing ? I only tried insufflation of low doses and I found it annoying, that I did not realize mental effects but could not move without effort, anymore. So I decided to read a non-fictional book on a bench and I could comprehend the rather difficult topic okay.

Could somebody compare this to the 3-MeO-PCx in the low-medium dose range, differentiating between mental and physical effects and rating those with -10 to 10 points in terms of strength of the impairment, 10 meaning impairment on hole level ?

I only tried this three times in low doses and a comparison for low doses for me would look like this :

Dose : 5-10mg

ROA : insufflation

3-MeO-PCP => Physical : 5/10 (floating, the feet are not felt anymore, the contact with a surface feels like your limbs are melting into the material, motor skills otherwise are still okay), Mental : minus 5/10 (if anything the mind is more sharp, but not impaired at all)

3-MeO-PCE => Physical : 2/10 (very light floating, but mostly the motor skills are maintained, night vision is enhanced in my opinion, could be bullshit), Mental : minus 2/10 (the giggle-effects tend to create the impression, that one is impaired, but otherwise arguable better than sober)

2-OxO-PCE => Physical : 7/10 (felt sluggish like on a medium dose of alcohol ), Mental : 0/10 (no effects perceived)
 
Low doses of 2-OxO-PCE aren't really enjoyable for me, as they are 3-MeO-PCP doses. With this one I prefer to push it up a bit and go to schizofrenicland, than undertake it and just feel weird. Oral is the ROA for those ones IMHO, if you want to feel full effects, snorting those ones is weaker, and usually more stimulating.

If I understand well, for you 3-MeO-PCP>3-MeO-PCE>2-OxO-PCE?

How would you compare 3-MeO-PCP to 3-MeO-PCE?
 
First off, I just wanted to say,the DPT/Eticyclidone combo was a failure. Heart rate around 112-123bpm. I mean, it was enjoyable..... just lackluster. Not what I had expected.

Ziiirp, I am just saying.... it kind of sounds like you dislike the class of drug.

Which dissociatives do you enjoy?

Ketamine and PCP both impair you physically quite strongly. These analogs are all relatively light compared to those two, but maybe the diphenidine/Ephenidine types might be more your style.

In my opinion, anything that impairs you mentally enough to be euphoric or insightful with dissociatives, you would also have severe motor impairment.
 
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