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The Big & Dandy Ego Death Thread

Roger&Me said:
I wouldn't say so. Often times, ego death can be terrifying and quite disconcerting. I know the first time I experienced it, I certainly didn't feel "blissful".

"I" simply was no more. I couldn't remember that I had ever been a human being that had ingested a chemical; the most disconcerting thing about it is that I was constantly trying to figure out what I was and what was going on. It was terrifying at first, until I just let the sensation take complete control over me, and thats when shit got really intense. Interestingly enough, I finally came to the conclusion that I am just a mind--and that everything around me is also just my mind, and in that way is also just me, and commutatively, I am just everything--my girlfriend is my mind, my mother is my mind, the earth is my mind, the vast cosmos is my mind.....

The most profound aspect of ego-death, however, at least to me, was the hands-on learning experience of truly what it means to live in a relative universe. When you have no "I" as a base from which to relate to the world, its like trying to climb out of quicksand in your mind--you just can't possibly get your footing. I realized why the ego is important in everyday life--its the stepping-stone from which you get a foothold on the exterior world. However, I also learned that it should be treated only as such and nothing more.

All in all it can't be explained in words, really. I know its a cop-out and someday I really will try to put it into words that will do it justice--I just don't think those words really exist yet. Maybe I'll just make 'em up.;)

This makes me remember my most awe inspiring LSD and mushroom trips. Funny thing is I can't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday, yet I can remember the most insignificant details of trips that have happened 5+ years ago...
 
When I experienced ego death, its really something that words fail in trying to describe. It was with a fairly large dose of LSD... the thing is, I feel like people embellish or exaggerate when they speak of "ego death"... they talk about how they thought they actually died and weren't coming back, so on and so forth. I felt like it was just a very strange, fascinating perspective on life and the world around me. Just a sort of amped-up depersonalization, wherein I would lose myself occasionally to startlingly real dreamlike visions behind closed eyelids, then wearily realize what was happening and come to. I'm sure a lot of people have "thought they have died" and whatnot, but to me it seems a more subtle, very powerful though, alternative perspective.. not quite so literal.
 
^ Did it occur to you, that what you experienced might have not actually been full-on ego death? There are several degrees of ego loss, the highest of which would be full ego death. I don't think the stories of ego death are exaggerated at all, in fact I think the contrary - no description does the actual experience justice.
 
Recept said:
^ Did it occur to you, that what you experienced might have not actually been full-on ego death? There are several degrees of ego loss, the highest of which would be full ego death. I don't think the stories of ego death are exaggerated at all, in fact I think the contrary - no description does the actual experience justice.

Yeah, that's possible, but I have no doubt that it was an experience that could be classified as "ego death." I think, though, that a lot of people who share more remarkable and intense tales of ego death, seem to be having not really a good trip. In other words, the real grinding-death experiences occur often when the person is "fighting" the death of the ego. Or at least it seems that I've read and heard more about a difficult ego death than a smooth, easy (relatively speaking here, hah) one.
 
The one time I have experienced ego-death, it happened quick, shockingly quick. There were no visions, no thoughts, no anything...just 'the void'.
I remember my mind being 'folded', and then the nothingness that could not be 'realized' while I was there, I could only analyze the situation on the way back...and during this time I still had no idea what had happened until well after I could see again.

edit: and also I thought I had literally died on the way back
 
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Roger&Me said:
I wouldn't say so. Often times, ego death can be terrifying and quite disconcerting. I know the first time I experienced it, I certainly didn't feel "blissful".

"I" simply was no more. I couldn't remember that I had ever been a human being that had ingested a chemical; the most disconcerting thing about it is that I was constantly trying to figure out what I was and what was going on. It was terrifying at first, until I just let the sensation take complete control over me, and thats when shit got really intense. Interestingly enough, I finally came to the conclusion that I am just a mind--and that everything around me is also just my mind, and in that way is also just me, and commutatively, I am just everything--my girlfriend is my mind, my mother is my mind, the earth is my mind, the vast cosmos is my mind.....

The most profound aspect of ego-death, however, at least to me, was the hands-on learning experience of truly what it means to live in a relative universe. When you have no "I" as a base from which to relate to the world, its like trying to climb out of quicksand in your mind--you just can't possibly get your footing. I realized why the ego is important in everyday life--its the stepping-stone from which you get a foothold on the exterior world. However, I also learned that it should be treated only as such and nothing more.

I can definately relate to this account.

Especially the 'stepping stone' point, ever tried to answer a barrage of questions during ego death? You just can't get a hold onto a sentence without reevaluating who you are & what you're doing.


I'm not quite sure what it is, but lately I've felt as though I have quite reclaimed all of my ego? By which I mean I feel slightly lost as one would in a very mild, ego-death-esque enquiring manner. I guess I've gone through a bit of a dry patch recently (ie. not the shining bright boy I usually am) & it's almost felt like I never fully returned from an ego-death.

Just typing my thoughts here, but I spose maybe depression (not that I'm 'depressed' or anything) can be considered a prolonged search for a more stable & contented ego? After a bout of depression, I've felt like a stronger, clearer-minded person.
 
I would just like to say, I enjoy ego loss from IV ketamine more so then any otehr drugs because it is just that, ego-loss, with other 5ht psychedelics you get these entities more or less, the visuals per say which kinda get alil to freaky in those realy high doses.


1 more reason ketamine is wonderful!
 
Whats with this IV ketamine? Isnt it supposed to be used Intramuscularly?

Supposedly IV is dangerous blahblahblah and pass out before you pull the syringe out blahblah.

But ive never injected anything in my life, so i wouldnt know from experience

However, ive had lots of experience with nasal ketamine and (high dose - around 300-400mg at once) oral use a few times.

Ketamine orally was a blast but I prefer the way it feels IN.
 
FractalStructure said:
Whats with this IV ketamine? Isnt it supposed to be used Intramuscularly?

Supposedly IV is dangerous blahblahblah and pass out before you pull the syringe out blahblah.

But ive never injected anything in my life, so i wouldnt know from experience

However, ive had lots of experience with nasal ketamine and (high dose - around 300-400mg at once) oral use a few times.

Ketamine orally was a blast but I prefer the way it feels IN.


thast what people say, and those who say it are ALWAYS people who have "heard" that you pass out befor removing the syringe. Iv IVed tons of ketamine and Iv never been to faded so fast I couldnt remove the rig. but then again I dont make it a habit to leave teh rig any longer then I have to.


those on here who have IVed it have never once mentioend being so fast so much that you cant remove the rig. people need to stop posting that crap unless they have personal experience in the matter.
 
IV ketamine if you must (ie are curious). I know I was and I did. I had a very dysphoric/horrific trip on it. I would NOT recommend it.

IM is best for psychedelic effects and insufflation is best for recreational effects. I'd suggest steering clear of mainlining it....it really is not good at all. Drastically increases the negative effects from it.
 
Feels said:
Yeah, that's possible, but I have no doubt that it was an experience that could be classified as "ego death." I think, though, that a lot of people who share more remarkable and intense tales of ego death, seem to be having not really a good trip. In other words, the real grinding-death experiences occur often when the person is "fighting" the death of the ego. Or at least it seems that I've read and heard more about a difficult ego death than a smooth, easy (relatively speaking here, hah) one.

I find that a lot of people say they've had ego death when really they just attained a state of deep psychedelia. The fighting that occurs is what comes before ego death. If you do not surrender, you will not experience ego death... you will only experience a terrifying meat-grinder type of experience. If you are still aware of where you are and who you are as a human, then you've not experienced ego death. True ego death is rare, I think.... people throw the term around far too easily.

Actually I think complete ego death would be impossiuble to remember since the ego is necessary to form memories. What most people mean when they say ego death is ego submission, where just the barest thread is hanging on, maybe not even enough to remember your humanity but enough that your human self can remember parts of it afterwards.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
IV ketamine if you must (ie are curious). I know I was and I did. I had a very dysphoric/horrific trip on it. I would NOT recommend it.

IM is best for psychedelic effects and insufflation is best for recreational effects. I'd suggest steering clear of mainlining it....it really is not good at all. Drastically increases the negative effects from it.
to each there own, your set may be kinda off these days (possible???) I personaly ONLY like it mainlined. I still recommend it, to at least try. as Iv said numberous times though, it is NOT like the ketamine high your used to. it is realy fast, realy intence and realy confusing. the first two or three shots are always confusing and kinda make me wish I didnt do it. but then after that when alil tolerance has built up and you get into teh groove it is one hell of an alien blissful experience.


I think its kinda like marijuana, you need to sue it alot in order to REALY appriate the high. which is why I get so k-tarded when I have ketamine.
 
justanotherperson said:
i died last night.

the effects are unimaginably powerful. im kind of confused, and would like to hear from the experiences of others that have undergone this, incredible, incredible, rebirth.

substances, or rather, the chemical keys consumed were -

224 heavenly blue morning glory seeds extracted with water
600g poppy seed tea
medium amounts of cannabis (considering my tolerance at the time, curiously - i smoked a very small amount of cannabis today and found it was almost as if tolerance no longer exists) consumed at various intervals especially during the comeup


regards,

me

hey man, gotta question.

what is your only desire?
 
adrian89987 said:
It's an experience beyond words because it's our ego that comes up with these words to describe it. The experience is such pure direct 'nowness', there is no escape from that moment.
What I've experienced has been a state of not being able to analyze the situation at all, or trying to figure out what is happening...It's just happening and I have no way to think about it until My ego begins to claw its way back out of the depths of the void.

weird stuff to say the least


That's exactly what happened to me! The actual experience i dont remember, it was just when i woke up that i started (slowly) to comprehend what happened (my ego regaining itself). When i woke up it was horrifying, i felt like running into a family member's room and shaking them and yelling at them to see if anything was real or not. But then i remembered what had guided me through the experience, just be. do not fear, because there's no reason to!

FreedomOfTheMind said:
Ego loss is becoming the eternal present moment. It is when you realize that "you" (self) does not exist and is just a false center based on other people's conceptions of you, etc. Ego loss made me realize that I am not separate but am something the whole universe is doing.


Did you experience what i percieve now as everything dissintegrating into 'waves' of energy? I couldn't see thing, nor hear them, nor touch them, only feel them at my core? Did you feel yourself dissintegrating into those waves of energy and joining them? in an exstactic rhythmic vibrational 'dance'?




Phredom - that bill hicks quote is excellent :)

adrian89987 said:
The one time I have experienced ego-death, it happened quick, shockingly quick. There were no visions, no thoughts, no anything...just 'the void'.
I remember my mind being 'folded', and then the nothingness that could not be 'realized' while I was there, I could only analyze the situation on the way back...and during this time I still had no idea what had happened until well after I could see again.

edit: and also I thought I had literally died on the way back

Yup, supports what others have experienced. There is no 'thinking' at the time (haha time, there is no time :P ) only 'being'. Only when i woke up i started analysing,conceptualising and justifying what had happened.

Xorkoth said:
I find that a lot of people say they've had ego death when really they just attained a state of deep psychedelia. The fighting that occurs is what comes before ego death. If you do not surrender, you will not experience ego death... you will only experience a terrifying meat-grinder type of experience. If you are still aware of where you are and who you are as a human, then you've not experienced ego death. True ego death is rare, I think.... people throw the term around far too easily.

Actually I think complete ego death would be impossiuble to remember since the ego is necessary to form memories. What most people mean when they say ego death is ego submission, where just the barest thread is hanging on, maybe not even enough to remember your humanity but enough that your human self can remember parts of it afterwards.


Ahh yes the fighting, do not fight, just be, do not judge the images,sounds,feelings of angels and demons, just acknowledge their presence and let them glide along your consciousness, then you will realise consciousness is just our own illusion :)

I knew where i was (well, not during the experience, afterwards when consciousness was obtained) i was everywhere, i was everywhere that the universe was, i was merged with everything that ever was and ever will be. Knowledge knows no boundaries, and thus there is no good and evil, truth and false, YOU (or me :) ) stand between the two, YOU are the one that decides, and decisions are products of your ego.



I must say, after that night i have never been the same again. sometimes i wish i didn't do it, other times i feel glad. I keep having an urge to tell people about it, but for some reason i dont want to dictate it to them , i want them to find it for themselves. Music (especially pink floyds dark side of the moon album) now has meaning behind meaning, literature also does the same, science,religion,everything all have meanings behind meanings. We are uncomfortable reaching behind the surface, because its the unknown and therefore scary, thus only a few will ever meet the fairies :)

I have gained a new found love and respect for maths/calculus. I find it most accurately depicts the bigger picture.

The universe/consciousness is 1, the opposite is -1 as everything has opposites (otherwise it wouldnt be) so unconsciousness/nothingness is -1

the square root of -1 (it's a square root because of duality) is i (hehe i find that choice of lettering to be funny)

in a complex number there are always 2 parts. the real part ( x ) and the imaginary/not real part ( iy ) . Just like in life, there are always polar opposites. All things aren't just on the linear (true, or false) 'real' number line, there always will be a corresponding 'not real' part in another dimension.
(i dont even know if any of this makes sense, hahaha oh well)



Also, to those that say 'y' amount of 'x' substance is better to obtain ego-death, maybe look inside instead of out? prepare your mind, a fool can take a gram of LSD and just get caught up in the pretty swirls for a few hours, whilst the faithful can take a microgram and experience ecstacy :) Remember, chemicals like LSD/DMT/etc are merely keys that unlock your brain. There are many other keys which can do the same (meditation,yoga,etc) What use is a key, if you dont know how to use it?
 
Xorkoth said:
I find that a lot of people say they've had ego death when really they just attained a state of deep psychedelia. The fighting that occurs is what comes before ego death. If you do not surrender, you will not experience ego death... you will only experience a terrifying meat-grinder type of experience. If you are still aware of where you are and who you are as a human, then you've not experienced ego death. True ego death is rare, I think.... people throw the term around far too easily.

Actually I think complete ego death would be impossiuble to remember since the ego is necessary to form memories. What most people mean when they say ego death is ego submission, where just the barest thread is hanging on, maybe not even enough to remember your humanity but enough that your human self can remember parts of it afterwards.


I agree completely. There were times when I thought I had ago-death previously in my psychedelic career, until it reeeally happened.
 
I think what's happening here is people are having a high dose trip and then reading some dodgy theory of Freuds from 100 years ago and trying to join the two. Either to add some presumed intellectual weight to the psychedelic experience or make more if it than it is. Or they've read something Leary came up with 40 years ago and ran with it.

The explanation seems to "fit" because you want it to fit.

I don't believe there's an ego (and even less dramatic terms like "ego-death") and I don't believe you affect it by taking LSD.
 
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