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The Big & Dandy Ego Death Thread

toomuchpain said:
and what is dmt?
sorry i dont know a lot of these abbreviations

"Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), also known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally occurring tryptamine and potent psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body wherein its natural function is undetermined."

It's the psychedelic compound in the ayahausca brew that I told you about in your original thread. The plants to brew this literally grow EVERYWHERE!! and also arent controlled legally either... therefor you can get on with your expirement quite soon!! Possibly/hopefully saving your life!! 8)

peace brother :D
 
confusion is your logical mind being overwhelmed is it not? It tries to analyse something but, because of whatever your taken - your brain cannot function as normal and logical sequencing (1+1=2, 2+2=4, 3+3=wait, what were we talking about?) That's why its really quite hard to keep a convo with a sober person when your tripping hard, you'll wonder off midway in a sentence and be like wtf...

Just let go and enjoy things, don't try to 'get closer', enjoy whatever sight/sound/touch and realise they are products of your head, enjoy them as hallucinations that aren't real.

IMO, set(inc preparation)+setting is the most crucial aspect. read the psychedelic experience on erowid, its quite useful :)
 
yeah, it's just like...time feels different
you're right, it's the logical side of my brain arguing against you know, lysergic acid or something

thanks
i'll look at erowid
 
For me mushrooms are the way to ego-death, I'm pretty sensitive to it and as much as 4,5 grams has produced a total ego annihilation. Then again it was my 2nd psychedelic experience ever, however since then I've felt that it was just a matter of dosage to kill my ego with mushrooms.
LSD is a lot gentler and smoother to me, I can relate to it and to myself in a much clearer way, adding rationality to the symbolism rather than only irrationality. I need some to cope on the way to an intense spiritual experience. Last week around 375 ug of acid produced a ++++ i relived my birth and the Last Judgement at my death before it. it was symbolic, I do not attribute it to any other religion than my own monoistic one.
I don't think DMT will make me lose my ego, then again I have probably not smoked high enough quantities at a time. It let's you roam in an the archaic realms of your mind but personally I do not know about the peak experiences it can produce.
Ketamine can sure make you lose your ego, though I find it to be so dreamlike and unreal that I wouldn't call it the most appealing way to certain enlightenment.
I attest that ego-death experiences do exist as I've had them myself sporadically and partially on additional occasions. You can interpret it in any way you like, some people call a phenomenon that and I'm 100% positive my experience relates to theirs. At the very least, every aspect matches concerning collective or individual consciousness. It is not nonsense that man has talked about it for millenia and there are probably people everyday who subscribe to this belief. It is a global human thing to have a Near Death Experience and there are a plethora of ways to achieve this state although many of them not easy.
The thing is: set and setting are still key to the experience and you can trip stupendously hard and not have a revelation although I am very sceptical about the idea that some ego's at some times are resistant to any dose of any drug. Sooner or later something's got to give and your boundaries can withstand only so much. How you stand in live is what your trip is, some individuals can appreciate experiences transcending normal states of consciousness more than others. Count on it feeling like your life has reached it's final conclusion and giving you the opportunity to be born anew, still a little flexible to be moulded although these transformations are normally not of a lasting nature. Old habits die hard but if you are heading towards a point in your life where you will have to make hard choices something like LSD can push you and still help you come to terms with them. Resolution can be a good thing, it is goal of therapy and if you feel like there's something inside you but it defies proper expression classic psychedelics (and lots of them) can be cathartic as said, beauty can be refound and pains relived. If you have reason for suicidal thoughts this speeds things up towards a resolution, watch out here because there is the possibility that you still feel negative about your life and this can then dominate your perspective. Tread carefully, speeding some processes up can prevent a lot of grief but others should first be reversed by other external factors. Structural changes to improve conditions of life and the taking of freedom to be happy in the way you need to be.
Which of these processes is the base of your drive I do not know and you should ask yourself very earnestly if you know yourself or even are able to see for yourself. A professional or friend can help here. Eventually conditions can be created then for psychedelic treatment if still desired, but be VERY wary of viewing upon psychedelic drugs or even mystical experiences produced by them as answers in their own right. They merely reveal potential, insights sometimes, but still based on your own latent ideas. You still put in a lot of energy and experiencing in a very short time, it is not a way around it but through it. True reflection of your own self in a diamond mirror.
 
Do you think the psychedelic experience really has anything in common with death tho? Isn't that a bit dramatic? It's unusual and not like anything else we usually encounter but I honestly don't believe it's got anything to do with death.
 
"losing the ego" to me, is when your mind is in a state of such rapid and constant flux, changing visions, emotions, and processing those futuristic thoughts that would normally be "filtered out" i think that the part of the brain that keeps the ego "as one" loses that function and becomes utilized by the rest of the tripping brain to take on other tasks.. it's a very interesting state.. especially if you're around music. you can sort of "become" the music.. then you dive into the pool of visions and stretch and swirl all about the universe. ok im done with this tripped out post make of it what you will. :)

peace and safe and happy tripping.
 
quick note = even though this is drug i havent touched for years

I think DXM is the most efficient drug for ego death, personally.

Just lots of nasty, and sometimes frightening side effects.

More so than NN-DMT and prolly even more than 5MeO-DMT
 
sometimes when i smoke DMT i forget that I was a person, living on a planet one of many in the universe
 
Ismene said:
Do you think the psychedelic experience really has anything in common with death tho? Isn't that a bit dramatic? It's unusual and not like anything else we usually encounter but I honestly don't believe it's got anything to do with death.

why do you think most psychedelic plants are "poisoneous" thorns, red-yellow-orange-bright colors, coatings of natural cyanide?? Seriously.. have YOU not thought of this..? not that I think its a good idea.. possible cause of a bad trip 8o

and then there is Rick Strassman's "spirt molecule".. total theory that endogenous DMT has EVERYTHING to do with birth, death and dieing..

what ever floats your boat though.. all I know is I literally held my friend to the floor while he died.. falling down to the center of non-existence with a giant black arrow pointing him on his path.. at the base of the arrow were thousands of tentacles swooping around pulling him.. lashing him.. farther and farther down.. into what ?? DEATH ?? hell fucking yes it was death !! 300ugs of LSD, 1 foot of bridgessii, 2.5g of Syrian Rue... and :| a bump of MDMA

he was dieing.. and the ++++ experience was something that we will all go through someday.. be it negative.. positive.. or simply "is".. its going to happen and it will be very VERY psychedelic.

thankfully after 4 hours of another friend and I holding down the sad/viscous beast that was formally my friend he was born again.. and still here to tell the tale!!!

If you havent had revelations of death yet.. take some higher doses of entheogens... maybe your core existence is never ending.. maybe it has no "death" in the traditional sense.. afterall we are each our own.. and each is infinite!!

peace
 
ego death is often (for me) waking up looking at my room without even the slightest clue that i JUST hit dmt and just having the craziest epiphanies and truths we're all quite familiar with
 
being a Buddhist I enjoy those psychedelic induced ego-death trips. I am super sensitive to all psychedelics (.5 grams of shrooms changed my life forever), smoking Salvia reseults in ego-death and level 5 trips everytime.
 
Eckhart Tolle's book 'A New Earth' talks alot about this subject.. "Ego Death"
 
^Hmm, I was thinking of buying that, you think its worth a read?

I have a problem with the term death; I prefer ego dissolution, as it does seem to recede/dissolve into the background when on high doses of tryptamines in particular. Still, I've never once not been Swilow- just a dramatically altered one.
 
My experience of "the void", as it is known, was certainly not blissful.

This was on an unknown amount of 4-Aco-DMT, I had used the compound many times before but somehow always managed to maintain control. I also (foolishly) believed that 4-Aco-DMT was always friendly, with almost no chance of the trip becoming 'sinister' in any way. Needless to say, I was very, VERY wrong about that assumption and only learnt from my mistake by having one of the most devastating, crushing, ego-dissolving experiences of my life.

I remember ingesting the chemical outside on my back verandah. Things seemed okay at first, but very suddenly everything simply became overwhelmingly intense. I could see halfvisible, otherworldy forms and entities appearing in the air, slowly creeping towards me to the point where they were on my jacket, under my skin, in my hair - I tried to calm myself down and 'go with it' but my emotions and my sense of logic began to disappear frighteningly quickly.

It was cold outside so I moved inside where it was warmer. I didn't remember how to shut the back door, by this time I couldn't see more than a foot in front of me because the OEVs were so powerful - every colour imaginable, every object took on a cartoony, saturated look. But then the paranoia started to set in.

The colours turned a sickly green, yellowish hue and I was snarling. I blacked out completely; I didn't know who I was, what I had become, or where I was. I wasn't on earth, wasn't in my city, I wasn't in my suburb, there were no other people around that I could communicate with. I felt like a frightened child, I was screaming and at one point my flatmate, who had been out for the night, came back inside to find me yelling at nothing. I had drooled on myself, I had torn my clothes, I did not look like myself at all. He tried to calm me down with the distraction of the TV, but I continued to yell occasionally and didn't even realise I was watching TV.

Later when I ventured into the bathroom, I was confronted by effects that I had never thought of in my wildest dreams. I simply ceased to exist. I realised at that point that I was no longer alive or dead, everything that ever seemed to have meaning became meaningless; I was at a point where nothing mattered. I thought I had literally died that night. I thought I could hear sirens, I thought I was being arrested, I felt like I had no control and had no hope of remembering that I had ingested a psychedelic. And yet; at some points it was blissful. Completely surrendered to 'the void'. It felt like I had achieved my true life's purpose, and was now being reborn with another chance.

I had no body and didn't know how to control my limbs. I existed as some kind of dodeccaheedronal entity, with an endless row of fingers on my hands. I couldn't recognise my own reflection in the mirror. I had transcened all contraints of space-time, it felt like this wasn't simply the "fourth dimension" but the seventh or eigth or ninth.

The next morning at 11.30am I was still very much in this space of mind, I hadn't slept all night and was in fear of moving because everything around me existed within a void of space, there was no floor, no ceiling, nothing.

Needless to say, it's an indescribable experience and I have very little memory of what actually occurred that night. I vowed from that point on never to be 'arrogant' with psychedelics, they are humbling, sinister chemicals that will stop at nothing to prove their point.
 
Is ego-death something one can work to (i.e. when you really focus and let everything throughly slide), or does it only occur when certain parts of your brain reach too high levels of a certain substance?
 
"I felt the universe perfectly functioning while I was perfectly locked inside my self. Instead of wonders, I found isolation"
 
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