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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Yeah I usually do around noon or 1, sounds perfect. :) And sounds like a perfect setting too. Hope you have a good time! As you know it's one of my very favorite drugs.
 
It's not like the 2C-Xs much at all, it's more LSD-like but different, it's kinda like if LSD and mescaline had a child, but it lasts longer than either of them. One of my favorite drugs.
 
One more grain... praytobuddha. You guys are insane. I checked with the Canadians. and they don't carry this/// for obvious reasons. My friend gave my cat a dose of this, and then turned it over to his friends, who ended up giving my cat the massive dose that remained. My cat then hid in the big closet and survived. My cat is now a celebrity among the friendly ones.
 
You can just edit "my cat" to reference yourself. We don't mask our identity in that manner here. Thought I'd let you know before someone else does. Welcome to bluelight if you are new!
 
Indeed he's right, we don't allow "SWIM"/"my cat"/"my cousin's pet koala's rattlesnake's baby's army ant" or what have you around here because it makes posts really annoying to read. I know certain forums require it so it's not like we get pissed about it but just letting you know. Welcome! :)
 
Such a spanner in the works: the brain reveals itself as something like a folded protein, and DOC rides rollercoaster rounds on it. Unlike similar intensities of LSD there's no refuge in audial space, that just makes the flying saucer feel nearer.

The goal was purely to explore the compound, I didn't prepare much at all for the 3.5mg trip. Drawn from a 1mg/ml rum solution (turned out cheaper than vodka), I diluted 1 part to 7 with water right before plugging. This gets it to the strength of lager, which has no burn. There's no long come-up that way, it's psychedelic alienation brusquely dissolving mental familiarity. It takes a supernova to cook up all the doc's elements, and it's as if this can be felt. It made me long for the more earthly connection of the classical psychedelics, perhaps these would be somewhat grounding in combination.

If I ever take this at a higher dose on its own again, I'll plan to distract myself from the sounds. It's just rather unnerving to stand in the shower feeling like something evil from the Dune universe. Bouts of purposeful activity definitely help, as well as the more maddening psychedelic techno. (Not the kind of techno that calls itself psychedelic techno, mind you..) More of these is required, as is I just chickened out seeking familiar, soothing, vanilla stimuli, and a couple of beers past the middle. Very enjoyable whenever the alcohol came through, but no urge to overdo it. The experience showed me I already spend too much time preparing for death.

I dosed first thing in the morning after two hours of sleep. This might have been ideal, I caught sleep shortly after sunset. It all happened neatly between dawn and dusk.

Now I can feel comfortable pushing the threshold dose with this, knowing where I risk ending up. Because that's the most interesting aspect so far: the clean, simple and energetic mind expansion in the half-a-milligram range. A nice and welcome addition to the psychedelic toolbox.
 
Oh wow, you plugged 3.5mg? Jeez that's a really high dose! 8o That's equivalent to about 7mg oral, way higher than I've ever taken it.

DOC does mix very well with alcohol, post-peak. I can't believe (I mean I do believe you, just saying) that you fell asleep shortly after sunset. I can take 1mg of DOC orally first thing in the morning and sometimes OI can't sleep til the next night, it keeps me up for so long. I kinda have insomnia issues anyway though.

DOC is one of my absolute favorites. Wonderful, wonderful stuff.
 
Is it that much stronger plugged? From reading the first pages I reckoned there wasn't that much difference, emphasized by the (gentle) stomach load regardless of ROA. I never take orally what can be plugged, Xorkoth is judge here.
 
Well it might not follow the 50% increase in potency, but generally phenethylamines are about twice as bioavailable plugged and snorted as they are orally. It might not extend to the DOC class, but I know people who have experience with both nasal and oral DOC who say nasal is twice as potent, and generally nasal and rectal potency of, for example, 2C-Xs is about double for nasal and rectal. I have only ever taken DOC orally so I can't speak from experience here.
 
Well it might not follow the 50% increase in potency, but generally phenethylamines are about twice as bioavailable plugged and snorted as they are orally. It might not extend to the DOC class, but I know people who have experience with both nasal and oral DOC who say nasal is twice as potent, and generally nasal and rectal potency of, for example, 2C-Xs is about double for nasal and rectal. I have only ever taken DOC orally so I can't speak from experience here.


Too bad that most phens hurt like crazy to snort.
2cb up the nose is one of the worst things ive ever experienced.
Def not a nice way to stsrt the trip.
 
Have you ever tried snorting just 2mg of 2C-B though? It barely hurts at all.

As for how DOC and DOM compare, personally I find DOC better in every single way to DOM. I have never had a satisfying trip from DOM, it always seems to be lacking something. It feels like I'm waiting for it to develop all the way and it never does. I've taken it up to 7.5mg (one time I even took it at 12mg but I had insane tolerance at the time, this was many years ago). At 7.5mg, I found it barely visual, slightly stimulating, very transparent on the body, and not much developed mentally or emotionally. Whereas 2mg of DOC will give me great visuals, euphoria, a deeply introspective and satisfying trip, and has a plateau stage where I just feel perfect after about 10 hours of the come-up/peak.
 
No only snorted it once.
Took 20mg orally and then 10mg up the nose.
After that ive only done it orally since my nose felt wrecked for days after.
 
Saw DOC on this list
 
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