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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

afer said:
I have only sampled DOC in high dosages (4-5 mg) and have found it to be a bit heavy physically-quite sedating and...somatically debilitating, which I did not like..
Tomorrow I am planning to try 3 mg. I wonder if the trip at this dosage will be qualitatively different than at higher dosages, e.g. less sedating/more clearheaded?
Perhaps I will top DOC with something after the peak. I've got some LSZ, AL-LAD, and good ol' lucy...still not sure which of these would go nicely over the DOC?
P.S. I am also considering to take ~2g of piracetam before the trip.
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Piracetam might totally potentiate it, or it might clear it up... hard to say, I have had wildly varying effects from combining piracetam with psychedelic peaks. 3mg regardless is going to be less overwhelming, but 3mg is still a pretty strong dose. 3mg is my favorite dosage range for a full trip, it can be pretty debilitating for a while, but it depends on setting. If I take it while being outside the whole time, it's much lighter. For example I went camping at the beach for 4 days last summer and took 3mg of DOC and had an amazing trip, not too strong but strong enough for sure. If I sit at home, inside, it can become a bit overwhelming. But, 3mg lets the second half really shine (at really high dosages sometimes I am so wiped out I don't experience the sublime DOC plateau). I actually really like 1.5-2mg dosages too, lighter trip with a pronounced plateau euphoria. I also like taking like .5-1mg, which basically is 3 hour come-up that then skips straight to the plateau stage (which is my favorite part of DOC), but not as strong of a plateau, more of a working dose.

Thanatos said:
Can someone tell me if it would be a waste to dose DOC while I take 150mg Effexor daily? The amount of product needed to produce a trip isn't a concern as I have a surplus of DOC..
My brother has had success using 5-MeO-MiPT while on sertaline but I have no idea if the difference between an SNRI and SSRI will be the deciding factor.
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It will certainly diminish it, but you should still be able to trip if you take more. However I'm not really sure about how much more... be careful.
 
^ that's the issue Xorkoth, im quite wary of overshooting the dose as vasoconstriction is quite dangerous in the more extreme cases. Just thinking about DOB overdoses where limbs became gangrenous makes me want to stay away, but I feel I'm in need of a good trip.
 
Just read through side effects mentioned for Effexor...
chills, hypertension, anorexia, nausea, agitation, dizziness, somnolence, tremor, yawning, sweating
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Damn do these resemble those of psychedelics! I am not entirely sure it would be comfortable to combine DOC with Venlafaxine, won't the combined side-effect profile of two drugs be too much to handle? Not even speaking of higher than normally doses of DOC...
 
I once read most of the Erowid reports on venlafaxine (Effexor)... some creepy stuff. It sounds psychedelic-like, yet not wonderful and beautiful.

So yeah, DOC does have vasoconstriction, sometimes I don't get it and sometimes it get it pretty intensely. Not as bad as DOB though. But hmm, I don't know much about venlafaxine specifically really, maybe someone else should chime in.
 
Today I took 2 mg of DOC and then at T+6 topped it with 150 mic of AL-LAD. These synergized just awesome. Plain DOC at this dosage, however, left me underwhelmed. Minimally visual, yet there still was that strange and not totally welcome sedation. Interesting dreamy headspace though, and absolutely no bodyload. I conclude that 2 mg of DOC is certainly not enough for a proper trip for me, though, but at this dosage it provides a good plato from where one can jump higher/deeper by adding other substances.
 
Excellent post ^ Sounds like fun =D

afer said:
I have been storing mine it 80 proof ethanol at room temperature without discernible losss of potency for nearly 6 months by now.
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Hey, just a wee heads up to yourself & the chap above ya, you are both diluting your DOC in pure alcohol. I did this, & after a couple of surprisingly strong trips I figured that my alcohol was in fact evaporating, even in the damned fridge. Mark your bottles so you can see if the liquid is evaporating & then extrapolate doses carefully.

Once I discoved this I started making small runs of DOC blotter to ensure dosage accuracy. They're for personal use, naturally.
 
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wow thanks for the advice man. just a question as i have 1mg @ 1 ml and a bloter cant hold 1-2-3-4 ml what can i use ? gummy bears ? sugar cubes ? what will last ?

p.s. i think i got vasoconstriction from 5-6 mg as my feet were cold but didnt notice any other simtoms... what vasodilators could i use if i notice worrying fx again ?
 
I did not notice any evaporation when bottle cap is screwed tight.

Not sure about using vasodilators. I would imagine these can compromise cerebral perfusion (since all your blood will go into muscles and away from brain), which might very well result in a blackout or worse....especially in warm environment.
 
When I used to use DOC often, I would take some L-arginine (I think that's the one) an hour before and it would help some, I never noticed any negatives from it, just less vasconstriction. When I was using it a lot, I would get really shitty constriction, where the main vein on the inside of my arms would get super tiny and hard feeling and when I stretched my arm all the way out I could feel it pulling... really creepy feeling. I tried DOC a couple of times over the past year and didn't have those problems, I mean I had a bit of constriction but nothing worrying.
 
wayab said:
wow thanks for the advice man. just a question as i have 1mg @ 1 ml and a bloter cant hold 1-2-3-4 ml what can i use ? gummy bears ? sugar cubes ? what will last ?
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I dunno, I've only ever used blotter paper, & then only a couple times, ages ago when I had a little DOC through a trusted friend. I layed only a small square of perhaps 4x4 ppers at a time, diluting perhaps 20mg of DOC onto the papers. I understand the process of laying blotter is too tied to drug profit & distribution to be discussed in detail here, but the process is very simple & effective & can be done with minimal intellect. Be careful to grind your DOC thoroughly & ensure it is completely dissolved into the alcohol before getting it to soak into the paper. I used the lid of a small tobacco tin to "lay" the blotter.

If you're having trouble getting more than 1mg per blotter it's no big deal, just use 5 blotters if you want 5mg!

afer said:
I did not notice any evaporation when bottle cap is screwed tight.
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I think it was evaporating a little each time I removed it from the fridge & opened it. I also noticed, when visiting the shop to buy another miniature (don't like having strong alcohol in the house!) I was handed one that was about half empty. It had been evaporating on the shelf in the shop, despite a perfectly tight cap. It wasn't the only bottle either, quite a few had less than a full measure in them. I was like, "excuse me, can I have a full miniature bottle please?"...
 
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afer said:
Just read through side effects mentioned for Effexor...

Damn do these resemble those of psychedelics! I am not entirely sure it would be comfortable to combine DOC with Venlafaxine, won't the combined side-effect profile of two drugs be too much to handle? Not even speaking of higher than normally doses of DOC...
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If I choose to take DOC while still on venleflaxine, I'll skip my dose to help negate some of the negative side effects. On that note, I'd like to state that I get 0 negative effects from venleflaxine, and it has been a godsend for me to taper off my insidious benzo and alcohol addiction.
I'm thinking 3-3.5mg will be a good dose in theory as I normally dose around 6mg of DOC.
 
Mannnnn, I've been planning on dosing today for at least a month and yet I somehow ended up taking 4-FA instead:p and it's such a nice day to... I really need to test the off white batch to see how it compares to the more well known crystalline stuff. I know I've asked this before so forgive me, does anyone have experience with off white, powdery DOC? It comes from a great lab and I've heard a lot of good things about it, I just can't see to find anything on bluelight.
 
I only have experience with crystal DOC (the best by far) and pure white, chalky fine powder (also good but it's no crystal). Never seen off-white. Probably less pure, but you never know. The crystalline DOC is clear.
 
^Yeah I still have bit of those lovely little crystals. It may not be off white it's just not bright white like the mxe or 4 subbed tryptamines that come from the same lab. I believe you answered me the last time I asked, thanks for your patience:). If all goes well I will sample this new batch in a couple days and report back.
 
I have put my solutions at 4mgs DOC/1ml EtOH (95%). I always lay my blots 1 at a time and if I need a higher dose, I just re-lay it until I get the desired dose. That's for Wayab, BTW..
 
I have some DOC that matches your description (off-white/beige, powdery/sandy). It looks like the shitty MXE that has been going around, slightly finer grain. I've had noticeable results with as little as .6mg. Results from tests in the 2-5mg range are roughly in line with what is typically reported.
 
^that's the only negative thing I've heard about this batch, some people are having trouble getting the last of those particles to dissolve. Folley, if you don't mind me asking, how did you figure out your doses after being unable to dissolve it in ethanol? My scale will read down to 5mgs but I don't quite trust it. I was thinking that if all else fails I would weigh out 10mgs and cut it in half since I know I can handle 5-6 mgs of the good batch.
 
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