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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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Xorkoth said:
I heard from someone that the4 DOC just goijg around was tested and is not really DOC. Which sucks balls. For two reasons. One, that would mean i's not really DOC> :( And two, I can't afford that type of purchase anytime soon. :( Why must it be so hard to f9nd my holy grail?? 8(

Maybe a nice friend with trade me some or something =D
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The verdict is not final. Apparently there is already one positive report, and some more reliable analysis results are coming. The news is circulating in ADD...

I'm still keeping the faith!
 
Hm. Why would it not dissolve in ethanol though? Pure DOC should dissolve in straight ethanol, right? Seems to me its either not DOC at all, or a very impure, bad synth. :(
 
DOC means drug of choice to me. I guess I have a lot to learn.

again.
 
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Hm. Why would it not dissolve in ethanol though? Pure DOC should dissolve in straight ethanol, right? Seems to me its either not DOC at all, or a very impure, bad synth. :(
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if you take a look at the thread in ADD, 2 people referred that amphetamine (and DOC is an amphetamine) salts dissolve poorly in ethanol, but quite well when there is water in it. Also someone referred that hydrochloric salts dissolved well in everclear so we can assume that perhaps amphetamine HCl salts do dissolve in ethanol. BUT there are other salts that may have lower solubility points. Also from the published synthesis reports the hydrochloric salt is reportedly moderately soluble in ethanol/ether but insoluble in acetone (all polar solvents). So, I have not yet lost hope that it is indeed DOC!:\
 
There seems to be some conflicting opinion on the matter. I cant find any conclusive data on whether DOC is soluble in ethanol or not. Some of the older reports indicate that it should dissolve readily in ethanol.
In any case, I guess we will know soon enough if this stuff is legit or not.
 
Damnit, it says in PiHKAL that he recrystallizes from acetone/EtOH. Of course it's not readily soluble in ethanol. I should have done my research first :P

I'm going to see if I can't get a melting point for this sample with the help of a friend of a friend with a mp apparatus. That could at least confirm that it's not DOC, if it is indeed something else.
 
My DOC was real. 2mg on white blotter yielding a brownish tint and a chemical taste. Lasted 23 hours (potentiated with Piracetam) until I knocked myself out with 1mg Xanax. Euphoric, energetic, stable-minded, epiphanic, and visual with amazing CEVs.

Also, I wouldn't trust the DOC that was just synthesized. More will be synthesized and available in mid-November and it will be real.
 
It didn't appear to dissolve in everclear. It readily dissolved once I added enough water to make it maybe a 50-70% alcohol solution, though.
 
The DOC I had for years I received years ago, and it was amazing. DOC is the holy grail of psychedelics to me. I only wish that I had any money at all right now. But alas, DOC will come around again. Enough people love it. :)
 
Found this report on another forum:

Dosage 7.5 mg: After an hour things are beginning to happen. My previous days experiment was with 3mg which gave some effect but less than expected. The 3 hour point things have become strong now. Trees and other objects are wavering and moving. Tracers got large at this point. A bird flew by leaving a tracer about 10 feet long that looked like a tube with wings flapping out of the sides in several locations along the way. Marijuana gives some spike to the experience. The snow coming down all leaves sparkling little tracers. There is a general good feeling all around. Things proceeded like this for most of about 12 hours overall and then mostly tapered off. Some things were a little weird about this. It seemes like DOC for sure but the water solubility ratio was all wrong for what I am used to. Perhaps I was high and/or excited and had accidentally used colder water than I had intended to. Perhaps the product is slightly impure/not DOC. It did give stange reagant results to be sure. Either way it was a pleasurable experience. Very clean burn no noise, no discomfort, no nausea. Just like DOC usually is.
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Seems to me there might be some issues with purity, as was initially suspected. 3mg should give full effects - 7.5mg seems excessive - though tolerance from the previous day has to be taken into account here. Also the solubility issue mentioned, points towards this being a impure batch. Hm.
 
DOC is my second favorite after 2cp.

Thought my list is always subject to change.
 
DOC as I mentioned is my favorite drug, psychedelic or otherwise. The batches I had in the past all dissolved extremely readily into both water and alcohol (I had 3 batches, 2 in water/alc mixtures and one highly concentrated in 99% pure ethanol). The poor ethanol solubility worries me. I was bumming that I can't afford at this point to restock on the compound that has so many valuable uses for me, particularly in my writing. But I think it's probably good that I wasn't able to or I would have jumped in without waiting and would now have a product I was unsure about ingesting.

I have faith that real, pure DOC will be available again. Why it hasn't been for so long, I have no idea. A lot of people love it. Hell, DOM was far more available for quite some time than DOC and it's been schedule 1 for decades. But none of the DOXs in my experience really truly compare to DOC.
 
I guess we will know for sure when more user reports surface. I was really looking forward to this one. Too bad the dox chems are so hard to find. I would love to try out DOM as well. Two top tier psyches right there.
 
So ... I got a melting point for this DOC sample I received recently. It was actually high, over 205C, which really surprised me, as impure drugs should generally melt at a slightly lower temperature than pure drugs. That could either mean that it's really pure and the mp apparatus was miscalibrated, or it is very impure. I checked the acetone solubility, and it was indeed soluble in acetone, as Shulgin had noted. However, when I tried it at 1.6mg, I got no effects.

It turns out, it's just impure. I got an email from the vendor today stating that it is active around 8mg. Oh well.

I do wonder, though, what could the impurity be? It can't be 2,5-DMA, as that melts well below where DOC melts. I guess from a harm-reduction standpoint, I should just throw this stuff out?
 
Kapitan said:
So ... I got a melting point for this DOC sample I received recently. It was actually high, over 205C, which really surprised me, as impure drugs should generally melt at a slightly lower temperature than pure drugs. That could either mean that it's really pure and the mp apparatus was miscalibrated, or it is very impure. I checked the acetone solubility, and it was indeed soluble in acetone, as Shulgin had noted. However, when I tried it at 1.6mg, I got no effects.

It turns out, it's just impure. I got an email from the vendor today stating that it is active around 8mg. Oh well.

I do wonder, though, what could the impurity be? It can't be 2,5-DMA, as that melts well below where DOC melts. I guess from a harm-reduction standpoint, I should just throw this stuff out?
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Srsly. Where do they get this crap?
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Why did it even leave the lab? Clearly this vendor cannot be trusted and should be boycotted. This is the 2nd time I've heard of this happening with this vendor in a very short period of time.


Now... if you'll excuse me.
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Bad synth as suspected then. :(
If you need 8mg for any significant activity to occur, it cant be more than 20-30% pure? Hopefully there will be another, legit batch - I didnt realize these chinese synth 'companies' were that sloppy. :|
 
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