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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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Also, has anybody experimented with other methods of ingestion ie IM/intranasally/rectally? Any experiences would be greatly appreciated.
 
A lot of people have said that DOC is pretty similar to LSD. After finally trying LSD a few months back, I agree. DOC feels much more like a tryptamine than a phenethylamine, even though it is a phenethylamine. The effects are very similar to LSD, mentally and visually. I've had near total ego loss on DOC and LSD.

DOI and the 2c-x phenethylamines all have somewhat similar visuals, though they affect the mind differently. The visuals I get from DOC are more like LSD's visuals. The body feeling is also sometimes very tryptamine like.

DOC is definitely one of the deeper and most enjoyable of the psychedelics I've tried.

I've also had some pretty dark, scary, and depressing trips with DOC. One trip in particular had me feeling some of the worst despair, sadness, and self-disgust I have ever felt while tripping or sober. It did turn out to be one of my most positive/helpful trips in the end. I did not trip for a while after that one. It somehow left me with a much more positive mindstate for a good while afterward.


4-OH said:
Also, has anybody experimented with other methods of ingestion ie IM/intranasally/rectally? Any experiences would be greatly appreciated.
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I have snorted and plugged DOC. The come up is much faster, full effects within 30min, compared to 2-3 hours for oral ingestion. Plugging and snorting give pretty much the same result. I'd prefer plugging it, as it burns pretty bad when you snort it. You only need 50% or so of your normal dose. Maybe a bit more, but you should start with no more than half a typical dose if you snort or plug.

The side effects are increased if you snort or plug. I don't get too much nausea from eating it, but I vomited once after plugging it and felt quite a bit of nausea for the first 3 or 4 hours. I've also felt like my blood pressure may have been elevated a bit, though I don't really know. I've never felt that from eating it. My heart rate did not seem to be any higher than usual.

The total duration of the trip seems to be less when plugged or snorted, I'm not sure by how much.

I have also eaten my first dose then snorted or plugged a small amount a few hours into the trip to prolong the peak effects. That did not seem to cause any additional side effects.


I would prefer just eating it, and maybe plugging or snorting 1 or 1.5mg 5-8hrs into the trip to prolong the strongest effects. I don't think the increase in potency or faster come up from snorting/plugging is worth the extra side effects. You are much less likely to have an enjoyable or productive trip if you are distracted by side effects.


With DOC, I usually can't sleep for at least 18-20 hours after dosing. I prefer to sleep late the morning before tripping, then dose close to my normal bedtime. That way, I'll be able to sleep normally the next night. If you dose early in the morning, you'll be up all night and exhausted the next day. I've had no problem with feeling tired during the trip the way I do it.
 
4-OH said:
Hi everyone :)

I'm off on holiday tomorrow and would like to try some DOC before I go. I'm not after intense effects, but something that is noticeable and pleasurable whilst still being able to act normally. I was thinking 1mg-1.5mg, does that sound about right?


Much love <3
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If you've never done it before I would be really cautious about this... in fact, it's just a really bad idea to use something for the first time in a situation where you need to act normally. I do use low doses of DOC in such situations... it's a great chemical for it. But I'm very experienced with it as well. It's very strong and it absolutely does not let up. It leaves social skills pretty intact but it can definitely create that awkward social tripping state, especially if taken unaware. Generally for me hours 2 to 4 are the most likely to be difficult... after that it starts to level out. By hour 8 to 10, it should have reached a beautiful plateau. If possible, I might recommend taking some 8 to 10 hours before the situation you actually want to be in... maybe the night before? Then you can ride out the afterglow/plateau all day. In fact I use it like this pretty often at times.

But like I said, you really need to use it in a safe and controlled environment and get the hang of it first. As has been mentioned recently in this thread, it seems to take people a few tries to really "get it". It was extremely overwhelming for me the first few times... its character really changed after I had some experience with it.
 
without once again sounding like an idiot, i am pretty sure i have now taken some kind of DO (C)? something. the trip i had the other night lasted at LEAST 22 hours. i went to sleep for a while and woke up and it was still going. to be honest i was freaked out because this has never happened to me before. the blotter was bitter as hell and came on very slowly.


but it WAS visual as hell, but in a more feathery geometric way (only way i know how to describe it) than L.

I have a lot of questions about this category of psychedelic, there are obviously lots of practical problems with it, i basically burned three days of my life when you factor in all the sleep i needed after the trip. missed dentist appointments, work, etc. bad.

but good experience. i reached out to a lot of people i hadnt talked to it in years and learned a ton about myself. heavy.

anyone else every have this happen where they didnt know what they were getting into?

also, if you take less, is there any way to make it a shorter trip? or is this just one of those things that has a two step character? long come up, long peak, long plateau? weird stuff. anyone else get heavy auditory with it? i took a bath and the water coming out of the faucet was almost singing to me. very intense.

thanks so much
 
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Nope, it pretty much just lasts a long time. I mean, low doses will produce a slightly shorter trip, but it's still on the order of 20+ hours. Low doses are a lot less intense though... I really enjoy them.
 
Lately 4mg and 5mg were eaten, spaced 1 weekend apart.

The 4mg trip was slightly stronger than the 5mg trip that was taken the week before.
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The 4mg trip was combined with MDMA and Ketamine. Great synergy. MDMA mixes with DOC much like it does with LSD, except I felt more focused and "intense" with the DOC. Ketamine mixes well with pretty much any psychedelic if you like Ketamine.

The 5mg trip provided moments of deep insight and watching the ocean, I could see each ripple and wave at once and this formed some pretty cool patterns and a feeling of one-ness with my surroundings.

DOC is also excellent to take with little bumps of Ketamine and go see Deep Banana Blackout :D ... this combo had me dancing like outta this world
 
somebody mentioned danger of impurities..is that more common with DOC than with acid? (on blotter i mean)?

the only thing for me was some body load. a bit of nausea and i could not eat. i usally love to eat on psychedelics (well not mushrooms or k) ;)

anyway. i guess i will try this again when i have a whole weekend free. does anyone else find it to be very empathetic? i reached out to a lot of people.
 
A week or so ago, I ingested 2 mg of (what should be) DOC. It was very intense (certainly more than I expected). Interestingly, two friends also had the same dose, and reported somewhat mild effects. But the most bizarre thing about it, was how short it lasted. At, say, 8 hours, one could say that I was almost at baseline, which is unusually short for me (e.g. 2c-i lasts as long as DOC for me). Sleep at +13h was still difficult, though.
 
question: i am pretty upset after reading that this can show up on a drug test (considering when i took it i thought it was acid...which doesnt)
i am being tested on friday. took it this friday. so thats what, 6 days? is that enough time for it to clear my system?

thanks
 
CRICKETBEE said:
...i am pretty upset after reading that this can show up on a drug test...
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Where did you read this? It almost assuredly does not, unless someone is looking for it, which they assuredly are not. You worry far too much, my friend...
 
One might want to ponder whether they know anybody who took a small dose of amphetamine a day or two before and passed the drug test. That would indicate that there is a threshold that has to be met, that only a larger dose would be sufficient. So, then the 1-5mg of DOC the person is taking would seem inconsequential.

Thats just theoretically though...maybe even 1mg of amphetamine will trigger the test?
 
DOB said:
bluedolphin do you think that dob/ mdma combo can be synergenistic like doc and mdma?
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I've never tried DOB. Doesn't sound really appealing to me.



Oh I forgot to mention, sleep came easily 10 hours after dosing 5mg with the help of a little benzos and a K-Hole right before bed. Woke up the next day sober.


With the 4mg trip I did get about 5 hours of light sleep maybe 11 hours after dosing, again with help of light benzos and plenty of Ketamine. Woke up still tripping at a light ++.
 
Xorkoth said:
If you've never done it before I would be really cautious about this... in fact, it's just a really bad idea to use something for the first time in a situation where you need to act normally. I do use low doses of DOC in such situations... it's a great chemical for it. But I'm very experienced with it as well. It's very strong and it absolutely does not let up. It leaves social skills pretty intact but it can definitely create that awkward social tripping state, especially if taken unaware. Generally for me hours 2 to 4 are the most likely to be difficult... after that it starts to level out. By hour 8 to 10, it should have reached a beautiful plateau. If possible, I might recommend taking some 8 to 10 hours before the situation you actually want to be in... maybe the night before? Then you can ride out the afterglow/plateau all day. In fact I use it like this pretty often at times.

But like I said, you really need to use it in a safe and controlled environment and get the hang of it first. As has been mentioned recently in this thread, it seems to take people a few tries to really "get it". It was extremely overwhelming for me the first few times... its character really changed after I had some experience with it.
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I did exactly this :)

I took 2mg at 10pm the night before and managed sleep my 6am. It was a very nice chem and will be exploring it more soon.
 
Here's the thing, fellas:

Even if DOC were to trigger a positive on the initial drug screen, the positive result would require a confirmatory GC/MS analysis, in which individual sample (urine, blood, hair) eluents would be compared to known spectra of whatever drugs the examiner would be looking for at that point.

It is extremely unlikely that the spectrum of DOC would be included in that spectra list, in fact in all the research I've done on drug testing, it appears that drug testing companies and Medical Review Officers (MRO's) don't--among many other "RC's"--even know what it is.

If a positive result does come back, then the person being tested must not admit to taking any drugs, and must insist that the confirmatory test be done. A lot of MRO's will blow off the confirmation and attempt to get an admission from the person being tested--because it saves them time and the company money. But one should never admit anything to an MRO--and force the confirmation even if he/she knows they're "dirty."

Stick to this strategy and one should--for the present at least--never come up dirty for DOC. :\
 
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