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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

Any data points on solubility of bromo-dragonfly? I've got about 1mg/ml in ethanol and I think that's about its limit there. I'm hoping there's something I can get about 20mg/ml in. I'm thinking of playing around a bit with some dry acetone and distilled water.
 
I intend to try it one day - I've passed on the opportunities I've had so far due to being in somewhat less than good cardiovascular health. However I'm a working on that and have been for a while - my intentions being to sample stuff like Bdfly & ibogaine once I'm satisfied that I've taken as many precautions healthwise as i need to /can do.


1mg/ml seems pretty low solubilty to me - anyone any ideas why it's so low?
 
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i have some bromo that ive been real hesitant to try, mainly because of physical problems i have read about. i also usually dont have 20 hours to spare and do nothing, will have to wait i suppose.

as for storage, ive been keeping it in capsules, inside a baggie, inside a container in complete darkness and at least room temp, so im sure nothing has happened to it.

several friends of mine have tried it though, and this is the main things they said about it.
1st trial 500-750ug, didnt feel anything, only a slight headache on one of my friends.
2nd trial with 750ug-1.25mg, come up was about 5-6 hours and filled with waves that only kept getting stronger. then the peak comes and lasts for at least 10 hours, then he slowly came down. over all he said it lasted a solid 20 hours, maybe a bit more.
 
1st trial 500-750ug, didnt feel anything, only a slight headache on one of my friends.

How did you measure that? There's people who feel it even with less than 100 ugs
 
1mg/ml seems pretty low solubilty to me - anyone any ideas why it's so low?

I've heard 2mg/ml of ethanol for one of the DOx's, can't remember which. So, 1mg/ml doesn't seem completely off based to me. Another possibility is the little bits that aren't going into solution are impurities, but I don't really think that's the case. When I look at the vial it's in, I see little crystal veins that have recrystallized slightly above the level of the alcohol. That suggests equilibrium to me.

Anyone know what concentration can be achieved in water? Or at least some info on what levels have been achieved? Otherwise, I'm gonna start playing around.
 
The Br-Dragonfly wasn't a success to put it mildly,and we had those necrosis victims,remember that horror pictures? And it could be an interchelator (sticking in your DNS)-so none's gonna touch the dragonfly class again (which isn't an amphetamine in its strict sense btw).More hope came from the fly's.

please explain what this means in more simple english. What is DNS? Is it anything to do with dopamine receptor or something?
 
oooo ok that makes alot of sense than. I remember whatching a video with david nichols or his son talking about their research into if lsd causes certain ppl to be psychotic bc it flips a dna switch in certain neurons.... is this what you are talking about...?
 
So, I got to experimenting. Distilled water sucks for bromo-dragonfly. Acetone is where it's at. I got over 25mg/ml in solution. Acetone isn't great for consuming, but if you're looking to consume a solution directly, a solution of that potency would be a nightmare. If you're looking to make a solution for measuring individual doses, I'd recommend ethanol at 1mg/ml concentration or less.
 
A friend reported similar difficulties when trying to dilute BDF in water. He had to use twice as much water as expected.
 
A friend reported similar difficulties when trying to dilute BDF in water. He had to use twice as much water as expected.

Did he happen to find the saturation point? I didn't. It was too low to bother.
 
riding the dragonfly.

I have recently aquired a vial of bromo-dragon fly from an extremely reputable source. It is apparently the R isomer and is disolved in ethonal at roughly 75ug per drop. I have had two experiences. One at 675ug and one at 975ug.

The visuals were nice. Reminded me in character of 2c's. I found that my mind stayed very lucid throughout the experience. This made me feel like something was missing, but i felt similar with high dose 2c-b. As for the amphetimine aspects, they are definately noticable, but not in any enjoyable way. Both times I dosed I would alter between being unsure if I was enjoying myself and thinking I was enoying myself. It was never a definate good time or bad time, sort of neutral.-- which is not what I am looking for in a psychadelic experience.

Also, as for this being a 24 hour trip, it has been more along the lines of 16 hours for this sailor.

I plan to try this molecule one more time at 1200ug.

Report will be written.
 
Personally, I found bromo-dragonfly to be very fun. As others have commented, it has wonderful visuals (like acid and mescaline together) and a clear headspace, at least for me. A girl I know who took the same dose as me (1mg of the batch that was mislabeled as 2C-B-FLY, which __i think__ is less potent than the 'european' batch) had her mind pretty shredded, she was confused and constantly contradicting herself. I've never seen anyone else respond to it that way. Dosage uncertainty definitely comes into play - I had a few 1mg capsules, and obviously some were stronger than others. So one provided a full 30+ hour trip, while another was more like 16. I suspect there's less of this if you have blotters though.

my two bromo trip reports:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=494925
and
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=500413
 
So yesterday morning at 8:22am I ingested approximately 1050mics of bromo dragonfly. This was my third time dosing, with my two previous doses being 675 and 975mics. My close friend who is 2,000 miles away also ingested the same dose of the same batch, which was sent to him via USPS. I began to feel the effects within 2 hours, and I would say I was feeling the full out effects at about 3 hours in, with the peak lasting for about 12-14 hours followed by a slow climb back down to sleep which was helped with a 6 pack of delicious IPA’s.

This report is more a summary of how I feel about bromo dragonfly as opposed to a detailing of the effects.

For one, I don’t really know how I feel about this chemical. It is a very definite serious psychedelic experience, but its not very comfortable. It leaves my mouth and body feeling so “Chemy” throughout the experience and it is pretty hard to ignore. All three times I have dosed, for the first roughly 8-10 hours of the experience I have altered between being unsure if I was having a good time and maybe thinking I was having a good time. It was never a definite really good time or a really bad time. It’s a very weird headspace.

What also has happened all three times I have dosed, is that the experience becomes much more enjoyable about 10 hours into the trip. Its almost like the amphetamine aspects sorta mellow out into an almost mild MDMA/speed headspace, where there is a euphoria, not quite as pushy as a full dose of MDMA, but it is very noticeable. Everything becomes pretty funny at this point in the trip, and this has happened all three times, with the higher doses providing a higher euphoria.

Something that first put me off on this chemical, was the lack of insight or profoundness with the experience. Whenever I experience intense visuals off of other psychedelics, there is a headspace that comes along with the visuals; its not that I am only seeing wonderful things, but my head is altered. LSD provides feeling of connection and insight, mushrooms provide extreme ego loss, and so forth, however bromo dragonfly will envelope my world in visuals, but my headspace is like a mild dose of speed, like too mild to be enjoyable, but enough to make my head spin.

The visuals are really nice. Very 2C-ish. Mayan heads and vines and Persian carpet type patterning. My friend in Chicago, who is a bit bigger than me physically, and who took the same dose, from the same batch, out of the same vial, was hit somewhat harder than I was I think. He said he had some bouncing of his eyes, and he said there were periods were everything was sorta blurry. My vision stayed pretty crystal clear. There was some rainbow trash still floating in my vision today, after over 24 hours from dosing.
Two of the times I have dosed, I had puked at about 2 hours in, and then was fine. The same thing happened with my friend.

The flavor bromo dragonfly leaves in your mouth could best be described as what toxic would taste like.

This stuff last a long time, it hasn’t been a 30 hour trip for me any of the three times I have dosed, but I could definitely see the amount of time your tripping for being dose dependant. This trip was definitely significantly more intense than my last two experiences and it was intense for a longer amount of time this time as well. I was going to dose at 1200mics, but I am very glad now that I did not.

Quotes from the notes which I sorta half assed took during the experience.-
---“bromo dragonfly makes my dick shrink like I am running from the police”
----“this is what I would assume toxic tastes like”

And on one last note, this substance just tends to produce a very gross sorta toxic chemy feeling throughout your body, and I could definitely see ODing on bromo Dragonfly being one of the shittiest ways to leave this world. So be safe fellow travelers.


i hope this isnt too long. let me know if it is. ~ apra
 
done bromo well over 20 times... furthest i took it (knowingly) was 4mg taken in 3 1200-1300ug doses (due to accuracy of the scales)... definately the most intense & memorable tryp of my life (bar dmt) massively intense visuals... but remaining compus mentus throughout.

when first came upon bromo was misold it as 2cb fly, shared a 'small' 8mg dose with a friend at the same time as a 30mg dose of amt.... dont remember a THING. my friend who aquired it smashed a insufflated 8mg!!! like being dragged through hell and back for 70 or so hours....

watch out for this one.... super acid! also more toxic pound for pound than cyanide....

ld supposed around 16mg

anyone hear of the moron who stole a bag at secret garden party earlier this year and did a 500mg line not knowing what he had stolen!!! not a nice death id imagine!
 
Apradavra said:
What also has happened all three times I have dosed, is that the experience becomes much more enjoyable about 10 hours into the trip. Its almost like the amphetamine aspects sorta mellow out into an almost mild MDMA/speed headspace, where there is a euphoria, not quite as pushy as a full dose of MDMA, but it is very noticeable. Everything becomes pretty funny at this point in the trip, and this has happened all three times, with the higher doses providing a higher euphoria.

Yes, this is a common effect of DOX chemicals (which DOB-dragonfly is based on). They give you a full-on trip at first, which includes a wide variety of emotions and effects as psychedelic experiences do. Then anywhere from 6 to 10 hours in, they start to shift into the second stage, which is a really nice, warm, euphoric plateau. The quality of this plateau depends on the substance. I didn't really like DOB-dragonfly... I agree with most of the points you made in your report regarding its effects. I found the plateau stage to be alright, but nothing special.

In the DOX family I've tried DOB, DOC, DOI, DOM, and DOB-dragonfly. The standard by which I measure the quality of one of them is DOC, which has a wonderful full-on trip section and an even better second stage plateau where I feel inspired, motivated, energized, mentally adept, euphoric, loving, and calm and content (not ampy). DOC is also pretty safe compared to DOB-dragonfly... pretty large doses have been taken and it'
s generally well-tolerated... no deaths have ever been reported. It can cause some vasoconstrictions occasionally though, usually if you dose too high for your body chemistry.

If DOC is a 10 on a 1 to 10 scale of DOXs, then DOB-dragonfly, for me, is a 3.

DOB-dragonfly creeps me out a bit because it's SO potent and relatively small overdoses have killed people. It feels pretty unsafe to me, and its mediocre effects compared to every other DOX I've tried make it completely not worth the risk.
 
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