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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

Merged your question into our brand new Big and Dandy thread on this subject. Perhaps someone will have some advice, but also please read through this thread as you may find some information, especially in the middle where some comparisons are made to LSD and other drugs.
 
I have came across this just recently... Hadnt even heard of it before. But I recentlly became close friends with somebody that's very into the exotics. I posted about it in the other drugs section. Interesting read all.
 
I hope this post sheds a bed of light on the situation.

I recently became the owner of a small amount of bromo-dragonfly.

Using milligram scales, I weighed out 32mg. I wanted 30mg but seemed like too much hassle to try and put 2mg back. I mixed this into 300 drops (using a standard 10ml brown dropper bottle from a chemist) of vodka (smirnoff, for the record ;)).

By my calculations this made each drop an average of 106ug. It dissolved very well after giving it a vigorous shake...no sedimenting or lumps floating around.

I went to a party. I did two drops, so ~212ug. I felt a bit heady and had slightly visuals after a couple of hours and was enjoying it so did 1 more. It was very dark so it's possible I did 2.

At the party I was drinking a lot and did a couple of lines of ketamine but it was definitely noticeable and generally enjoyable - heady feeling of general wastedness, no body load at all, and very delicate shifting distorting visuals. everything had a kind of dirty muddy feel, enhanced shadows and contrast between light and dark and less defined edges.

I really began to feel the stuff after I left the party at about 11AM-midday (about 8hours after dosing)...had an interesting tube ride, generally felt very relaxed and enjoyed myself. could still hold conversation with people at home but also content just chilling out. I often get anxious or restless on some psychedelics but not this time. had some pretty cool trails and nice colour shifts, distortions etc but still quite subtle and not over whelming mentally or physically in the slightest.

I then decided to go climbing in the afternoon which I could do no problem and was a laugh even though the centre was packed...never been on a sunday before. was still feeling after effects at about 7pm that night.

I'd summarise it as some kind of ultra refined DOx, like the difference between a fine wine and slightly cheaper one. Obviously I could try a higher dose and it might be a totally different experience...maybe 4-500ug next time all in one go.

I also thought the come up was good, not intense at all...i generally dislike come ups on psychedelics.

downsides I guess are duration but it was much easier to relax on than DOI which made me really tense and uneasy. A valium ensured i got some sleep by the end but I reckon i could have fallen asleep alright by the time i went to bed.

it wasn't totally disimilar to a low dose acid trip either...

hope this was handy.
 
You only used 300 drops (by the way a drop is NOT a consistent form of liquid measurement for 30mg, and you didn't bother to put the 2mg back? That was awfully dangerous... considering that DOB-dragonfly's dose is in the micrograms! I just want to know, why did you think that would be okay to do? Do you realize how much variability in dosage you could have between drops? In the future you should really use milliters... mix, say, 1mg per mL of water. A milliter IS a standardized form of measurement and it's very easy to measure them with an oral syringe. An example of why you should not use "drops" is this quote from your post:

ooccooccoo said:
It was very dark so it's possible I did 2. [ed: drops]
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Sounds you you didn't fuck up, but if you continue diluting and measuring potent psychedelics like this, you will someday end up getting into a bad place.

Thanks for sharing though. I don't mean to criticize, but I wanted to point these things out to you, and primarily so others who come to read this won't think you should use "drops" as any form of measurement. Check The Liquid Measurement Thread for lots more information on why not to use drops, and how to properly use liquid measurement.
 
I can't help but feel you're over exaggerating the 2mg issue.

Assuming each drop is the same (which you say isn't, i need the check the thread you linked me to) the only difference the extra 2mg made is an extra 6 micrograms per drop. the stuff is strong but an extra 18ug isn't going to make much difference when you've taken 300.

this stuff isn't as strong as acid and people happily take 1000ug doses of that at once. i'm not suggesting people do the same with this as it's 'new' and no one knows potential for OD etc.

also, if drops are so bad, why is liquid acid so popular and why isn't everyone fucking up all the time? that's all done by drops (where i'm from anyway) - as common as blotter if not more so.

if i was (hypothetically) going to make a large batch of dragonfly i would do it in a ml measure if only to avoid the tedium of dropping 1000s of drops.

anyway i'm a bit busy now but will read the thread on liquid measurement when i get a chance. still can't help but feel it's being blown out of proportion. if there were big lumps of the stuff floating in the liquid then sure, someones going to suck the lump into the dropper and fuck themselves over, but it dissolved perfectly well.

:)
 
I took 2800 mcg of bromo not expecting it to be so strong. We all thought we were eating acid and after 2 hours into a half a tab (800mcg) we desided the "acid" was not that strong. Oh lord if we only knew it was bromo and it takes about 3 hours to kick in properly.
We all nearly shit our pants.
My girlfriend took it really hard and was in tears for some hours.
I was just telling myself, "you stupid bastard" "deal with it!"
My other friend who had left was found in his boxer shorts standing in the middle of the road on his street staring up at the stars (it was frosty) He had been knocking on his old age pensioners door (in his kegs) asking her if she could hear "the imaginary" music? also stopping strangers in the street with the same question.
I was living in what seemed like a real imaginary village with various characters in there for hours.
At one point I thought 3 days had passed and I had to go to the gym for my bodytone class. There we seemed to be me and my girlfriend and there was the full class and trainer. I was thinking Oh, no. What am I doing here in this state, What a mistake, Scott (the trainer) is sure to suss me out, Then I saw it in his eyes, "there is something wrong with that one" He thought and came over to confront me, It was then I saw an acid motive on his bumbag and thought to myself, Scott is ahead of the game this week, I have just got these Acid and he already has them, then I was back in the village and there was scott selling acid to all these head types. He was saying I got the ones twos OR the threes, I got the flashing fives and he was passing acid with flashing stas coming off them.
Eating 2800mcg of bromo-dragonfly is not something I would like to repeat in a hurry. 2 days of real illusions. I dont know how I kept it together. I just had to deal with it.
 
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ooccooccoo said:
also, if drops are so bad, why is liquid acid so popular and why isn't everyone fucking up all the time? that's all done by drops (where i'm from anyway) - as common as blotter if not more so.
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Well, LSD is bit of a different case to most other psychedelics, as its dose-response curve is very linear. In fact once you get over a certain level the receptors will be saturated and the strength of the trip will not increase. And LSD has an extrenely safe physical effect compared to most other things (such as DOX/DOB-dragonfly), which become stronger and stronger as their doses increase and which have a real potential for OD. Perhaps DOB-dragonfly is safer than DOB, but you really have to watch the dose with DOB, as it can become dangerous pretty quickly.

Anyway, I realize that the 2mg probably isn't a big deal since it's about 6 mcg per drop. It's just on principle that I made this point because I believe that drops are a bad form of measurement for potent chemicals. LSD is an exception somewhat because it's such a safe and forgiving material in the dosage department. And drops of LSD solution are not all the same size either, which is why you get variability in the effects of a drop.

My other point about dosing drops of potent chemicals is that it can be easy to accidentally ingest two drops instead of one, or even more, especially if you're already tripping and it's dark and chaotic around you. Taking two or more times your intended dose could have some pretty negative consequences.

Anyway, I get your points, but I still think it's a bad idea to dissolve into drops your potent chemicals. For one thing, when you have a chemical dissolved into a solution it can change the viscosity of the liquid, which causes drops to be a different average size than the ones you put in thete originally. Which gives you more or fewer drops than you expected.

You should read about the measurement with drop in the thread I linked to... it's an informative thread. :)
 
@the guy who took 2.8mg...christ, glad to hear you're alright. don't think i'll ever take that much!

yeh fair point about the overdose issue...my main worry is that i'll lose such a bottle and someone will find it and think it's acid, not an unreasonable assumption. i know some people who are very drop happy with acid and could get a nasty surprise - even just the longer duration might fuck someone over.

as for viscosity, even if the amount of drops changed by a whopping +/-10% (highly unlikely)...that works out as +/- 11ug per drop (in the 100ug/drop) depending on which way the change happened - still not going to make a massive difference, even with the steeper dosage response curve.

my gut instinct is that dragonfly is a lot safer than DOB...the DOx's i've done (B, I and C) have all had quite a body load and felt like a bit of a strain, especially the DOI. I think also the sheer amount of the chemical you take might have something to do with it. As I said in my original post on this thread, dragonfly feels like an ultra refined DOx and seems simply the fact you take so little makes the trip more comfortable. This is purely gut instinct though and not based on any science whatsoever :)

Anyway I hear your points about drops but they still seem by far the best distribution method to me short of putting it to blotter. I had to prat around using syringes and so on for measuring out DOC and DOI (it was dilluted so that 0.5ml was 1mg...wouldn't dissolve into drops) and it's just not practical and syringes aren't a good look in circles in hang out in. I recently discovered that DOC cant be made into 1mg-1drop using DMSO but that's another story for a different thread.

I'm tired and want to go to bed. the weekend has left me feeling pretty spaced but i don't know if that's from lack of sleep or the drugs...probably both. will try and get round to reading the thread on liquid measure tomorrow. cheers for the informative posts it's refreshing to talk to some people who actually have a clue rather than a load of myths or speculation.
 
ooccooccoo said:
@the guy who took 2.8mg...christ, glad to hear you're alright. don't think i'll ever take that much!

Looking back, It was the most amazing trip I have ever had X at least 10. at the time I was so high, I did not really relise how far gone I was. I was just accepting things the way they were. Honestly I could write a book on my experience over those 2 days. I remember most of it like it was yesterday which is rare with such extreme mind states. I could draw a map of this vilage place I was imagining as well as some of the many characters I remember from there.
That being said I dought very much if I would knowingly take that sort of dose again. But what a trip!!
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dob-bromodragonfly? Never heard of it. Does it vary much from bromodragonfly?

Aw, shit. I should just read that thread...
 
I know somebody who had 5000mcg of bromo-dragonfly. He said he sort of collapsed in the middle of a field and could not move for 8 hours. he was ok afterwards though.
 
gabbachris said:
I know somebody who had 5000mcg of bromo-dragonfly. He said he sort of collapsed in the middle of a field and could not move for 8 hours. he was ok afterwards though.
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I know someone that had a sim. exp. with the same amount.
 
I'm planning to take Bromo Dragonfly, whats going to happen?

A friend of mine gave me some bromo dragonfly as a present.
not sure the dosage but he says its a perfect dose, considering I like things with that good psychedelic sense of humor and being trippy but not too far out!
Has anyone any experience with this substance?

What are the visuals like?
What are the risks?
How long before you come up/then down?
Bodily feeling?
Mental clarity?

I'd love to know what its all about before I fly with it, and what I might be in for.
 
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the visuals are the most stunning I have ever seen although we were on a high dose. I was living in another world. It takes a good 3 hours to kick in properly and lasts a good ten hours followed by a long slow comedown. It felt quite comfortable considering the dose. I have solid memories of what I experienced although at the time I did not know what was going on really. I knew I had took a bit too much but I just told my self I had been silly and took too much and that I now had to deal with it. It was quite an ordeal lasting 2 days but looking back, It was the most amazing trip ever but I was glad when I had slept. I awoke and thought "thank fuck for that" Check some of my earlier posts in this tread more more trip details.
Bottom Line: Well worth a go, Nice feel to it but lasts a bit too long for my liking. We thought we were taking Acid at the time. Found out later that it was Bromo-D.
 
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What I have found out so far

^^nice input.

so far I have established that it takes a fair while to kick in, then peaks about 4-6 hours later after another 10 or so hours later you start to come down but are still mildly tripping. Roughly 20 hours after ingestion you might be able to sleep.

Effects are warping, swirly and moving images in the visual field. with some distinct "realish" seeming images/things occuring inbetween the warping stuff.
Do the visuals look better in daylight or night time?

Some people have reported scales of nausea rating from none, mild for an hour or so through to intense nausea throughout.
Do any of the posters on this board have any firsthand experience with nausea and bromo-dragonfly? or any kind of head or bodily discomfort for that matter?

Seeing as it lasts so long anyone any preferences on when in the day might be best to take it?

would this all seem accurate?
 
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