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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

specialrelativity said:
Could have been 2cb, too. 2cb, also called bromo-mescaline, which has been found on blotters. :-) Know what you are taking before you take it, please. Know thy source. :-)
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It was not 2c-b either. I know what 2c-b is.
I took the first guys word in good faith. He went out of his way to find out exactly what was used.
He said The Guy apologised saying he thought nobody would tell the difference between acid and what it was which he admited was bromo-Dragonfly. This was later backed up be a RC Company product in comparison, Unless the RC company does not know what they are on about either?
 
Xorkoth said:
Listen man, quit this crap. next time you attack someone it's a warning.

What makes you think Youkai doesn't know what bromo-dragonfly is? He was just concerned about the identity of what you took. It's an important issue. Perhaps he approached it in a bad way, but there are better ways to reply. :|
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Sorry Xorkoth, I dont mean to cause bother. I was merely defending my post, Not attacking. I was the one who was attacked. but this pre-emtive attack seems to have moderator backing. Guess, I am just not in the click?
 
Okay, guys, enough. This could go back and forth forever. The point here is about trust. There is much to be said for not trusting random people on the internet but also, until these drugs are legal and come with little manufacturer's inserts and there is a psychedelic PDR, we'll never really be able to fully know any other way. In any event debating this on the Internet is utterly pointless.

Feel free to hit me up PM with any concerns.

Posts about Br-DFLY, rather than this, anyone? ;)
 
SomeKindaLove said:
Posts about Br-DFLY, rather than this, anyone? ;)
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Not yet. I was offered a sample so maybe in the (near) future.

Weird developments in this thread.
I'll refrain from remarking on the "treatment" gabba gets for no fucking reason from people I wouldn't trust with my dead dog, and with mod support to boot, but
I'll just think it instead.
Loudly.
 
Ptah said:
Loudly.
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Deafening.

As I said, consider this debate over. If you have concerns, drop me a PM. Ptah, you & I have corresponded before and we had good communication, don't think that's changed 'cause it says mod under my name now, but also don't think I'm going to defend the approach I take in a public thread. Gabba, I don't know you, and am not trying to give you shit, but your original reply was over the top. Also feel free to PM me. Youkai, same goes for you too. Period, full stop, end of story. Anyone and everyone feel free to PM me, but no more of this talk in this thread.

I don't want to be seen as playing favorites and I don't want hurt feelings. I am killing this conversation in-thread because I really feel like it is going nowhere quickly and people are just getting pissed at each other. If someone wants to be a skeptic, you'll never convince them over a message-board, and contrarily, they'll never convince anyone else that their own experience is invalid. The entire debate is just silly. The point about not knowing what you are getting is well-taken, but if someone feels there's ample evidence, then we should take them at their word, and if not, I don't think launching internet diatribes against each other is productive.
 
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^ +1,000,000 and THANK YOU.

Talking alot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring.
 
gabbachris said:
Sorry Xorkoth, I dont mean to cause bother. I was merely defending my post, Not attacking. I was the one who was attacked. but this pre-emtive attack seems to have moderator backing. Guess, I am just not in the click?
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Doubting your word is not attacking you. This is an example of a personal attack and comments like this and one that have been edited out are the reason I singled you out in my response:

You are proberbly one of those peole you somtimes hear about who get stung with a blank acid and run about thinking they at Disneyland tripping their heads off and go back the next day for more, Much to the rip artists bemusment
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That's just not necessary (and the edited ones were much more inflammatory). Had you kept your responses to Youkai civil, you would not have been mentioned above him. But don't get me wrong, I am considering all sides of this argument unnecessary and as such I hope that they stop.

So anyway, please don't think I was singling you out... it's just that you crossed the line into flaming. No harm, no foul. :)
 
Last Weelend I was a young lad eat 5 tabs containing 500mics each of an unknown substance. Followed by anther 4 3 hours later, Cant say for sure what they were even though there was some bits of paper from some lab with all the specs and details stating it was something called Bromo-Dragonfly? I am not too sure myself. Anybody could print up such documents and make such wild claims.
Anyway, He seemd of for a while then started to fuck up a bit walking around in circles in this guys 1 bedroom flat which was full of peole. I advised him to get a Taxi home shortly after taking the first 5 but he was having none of it. A few people tried to wind him up but I sort of kept an eye on him and sort of asked people to give him a bit space. He dealt with it well considering the dose but you tell he was gone at times. I did not see how far he went as I had to go. I cant understand peole who take so much of a compound which could be ANYTHING! especially against direct advice not to. It would have been 4500mics. Saying that is could have been Nutmeg or LSA what all I know, :-)
 
gabbachris, Im sorry if I insulted you. I'll keep your experience stored away for comparison apon future experiences I happen across. My main concern as stated above is that you recieved blotter which you originaly thought was acid but turned out to be brmdrgfly. last I check almost all of erowids experiences start off like that and honestly they cant be trusted, erowids vault for it is pretty much useless besides some off sites litt about it. Same goes with many DOB reports, people just assume what they have is this or that without knowing for sure and then write a report as if what they took is in fact "that". These big and dandy threads on bluelight are prob the number 1 resorce on these esoteric compounds with little to no known reactions/effects in humans besides what is posted through personal experience. can you see why I am warry of posts claiming to have taken a compound which was on a hit of paper you bought from someone? It could have been anything, who knows what theoretical potent psychedelics have been custom synthed and put on to blotters (not claiming to know any, but Im sure its been done).

It reminds me of the DOB thread I made, alot of people where posting experiences of DOB blotters which they "heard" where DOB through other people. while this can serve as something you may be able to compair against pure compound obtained through over seas labs, in reality it could have been any number of psychedelic amphetamines. As you said your self, the guy your guy got it from (I guess I read that right)? order brmdrgfly and pawned it off as LSD. These types of people already have a red flag from me on what they may or may not be doing. Hell, Iv been offered 5meo apde from some kid who swore up and down thats what it was and he ordered it off the net. Just because your in the know doesnt mean you actualy know ;)

Im also aware that the chemical in question is available through many suppliers and has been for some time now, Im not doubting that you may have taken brmdrgfly Im doubting that you took it 100% doubt free.

and to my deffense I stated that your post should be removed because you never gave a reason as to who/why/where you believed it was brmdrgfly only that you took tabs and thought it was acid and it turned out to be brmdrgfly. sounded REALY sketchy at first didnt it?

I admit, I become a compative asshole when I dont have my daily doses and I may have went on without enough warrent....

BUT

for anyone else wishing to share details on tehre expereinces with brmdrgfly PLEASE include the sorce (not ******trading or what ever) but if it came from a lab, friend, tabs, university.. what ever. or if you would rather not incriminate your self/possibly others just put "verified" befor your experience so we all know that your sample did in fact come from a trusted sorce.

If Im out of line then just delete this, but I think what Im saying has some bases in this discussion.


Love.
 
^No-ones all that out of line anymore, as long as we talk about the thread topic!!!! :) If you guys wanna kiss and make u, do it via PM (yes, take pictures and whanot).

Youkai, would you trust me if I took some? Would that fill your memory banks?

I'll say one thing- the one common-ish theme that seems to run through these b-dfly reports is something very akin to delerium....what say you?
 
I'd love to know what percentage of bromo-dragonfly user reports actually involve bromo-dragonfly. I'd be willing to bet a good chunk of change that it's less than 20%, perhaps even less than 10%.
 
My report was defo about Bromo. A second batch was obtained from an oberseas people RC lab and the effects were the same so that prooves it. Please beleive me, Fair enough the first guy may have feeding me bull but I have since compared it with stuff from a lab with all the paperwork and it is the same stuff. Enough of this pettyness, I grow wearly of it. I wont suffer fools. Who was he to call me a lier? He based this on nothing.
 
remove this, there is no way to tell if brmdrgfly was on these blotters or not.
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Oh it was! I'm not going to go into detail for obvious reasons, but I know both the BL who wrote that and the source of it and it def was dob-dragonfly. The only issue still in questio is whether it was the racaemic compound or one of the optical isomers. Maybe I could try the thing with polarized lenes, but it would only tell whether it was racaemic or not; if not I'd need to research the plane of rotation fo te S & R isomer (but I really can't be arsed: It's enough to know it was dob-dragonfly in one form or another)

Short of a chemical analysis (either pay for one or walk into a police station & let them do the analysis!), none of us really have any idea what the fuck we've taken unless you know the people making it
 
To make my point more clear:

I was not referring to any one particular post, least of all the report by gabbachris. I do not doubt the reports from people who've bought this compound from a chemical vendor. I myself have a couple milligrams of the stuff in cold storage (where it will likely stay for my lifetime) and feel reasonably certain that the analysis provided by the seller was genuine.

But such reports only appear to make up a small minority of bromo-dragonfly user reports. The vast bulk of them are from people who took some random blotter or liquid dose, and then later decided they must have taken "teh bromo-fly" based on reading the internet. Never in my experience has there been such a fiasco of misinformation as that surrounding this compound. The only thing I've heard of to rival it was the DOM/orange sunshine episode in the 60s. Leather Lars and Bear Owsley should get together for some drinks sometime, no doubt they'd have a lot to talk about.
 
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fastandbulbous said:
Short of a chemical analysis (either pay for one or walk into a police station & let them do the analysis!), none of us really have any idea what the fuck we've taken unless you know the people making it
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Bad boys, bad boys
Watcha gonna do whatcha gonna do
When F&B come for you

Nobody naw give you no bromo
Police naw give you no fly
Soldier naw give you no dragon
Not even you idren naw give you no break

Bad boys, bad boys
Watcha gonna do whatcha gonna do
When F&B come for you

bing-KINCK! =D bing-kinck %) bing-KINCK! :D bing-kinck 8o

Bad boys, bad boys...
 
^^^^ Still some cravings, but to be expected. TR in another day or two. I'm still trying to piece together what happened!
 
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