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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

Mhmmm. Bromo-Dragonfly is the first phen I tried so far that could put me in a state of near-ego-death. Maybe 2CE can do that trick as well.
Bromo to me feels very warm and forgiving if the dose is not too high. It feels more like a glowing and melting experience, while I remember DOM to be more edgy and sharp.
DOBFLY and LSD is a very nice combo. Highly recommended!

Xorkoth: Since you have experience with both DOB and bromo; how do they compare to each other?
 
worth it?

DOB-dragonfly creeps me out a bit because it's SO potent and relatively small overdoses have killed people. It feels pretty unsafe to me, and its mediocre effects compared to every other DOX I've tried make it completely not worth the risk.


I agree. It does feel unsafe. I do not regret trying it tho. I read on another forum, that benzodifurons, (the unique molecule formation of bromo dragonfly) have been known to be DNA intercalculators.-- not in the microgram range, but still.

It just about blows me away that you can buy this chemical as powder off of the internet. Not even the fact you can can buy it as powder which is hard to dose proper in the minute amount needed with this chemical. Not many people understand crystal to solution basics when dealing with mic's. But also just the fact it can be bought off of the internet.

This is how I concluded a report for another forum, --"SWIM tends to think that with the amount of time, the negative side effects, and the resulting experience which one gets out of consuming bromo dragonfly, its just might not be worth it. Especially when safe, high quality, and wonderful molecules like LSD and DMT tend to always be around."


~be safe fellow travelers.
 
I've taken Bromo-Dragonfly (a confirmed part of the notorious "B1" batch that caused the deaths of an RC purveyor and others) at least 7 times, and I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about it. The first time I was quite impressed by it, by the increased energy levels, mild but unique visual, and the feeling of mentally being in a higher gear, more clever (at 350mcg). Since then I've taken it in doses of up to 600mcg, and will definitely do it again, as I'm not going to run out in this lifetime...but I think that it does have some drawbacks.

One problem is the body load. The come-up can be difficult, with nausea, restlessness, and muscle tension, which is worst in the first three hours. Even when its in full gear, there is a moderate sense of edginess. I agree with Apradavra when he describes it as a slightly toxic feeling (very similar to the tension caused by methylphenidate). This wears off after 6-8 hours, but it makes the experience much less physically comfortable than say, mushrooms. Also, one can experience what I call "dragonfly shivers" very brief bouts of shuddering (not involuntary) that seem to send a wave of tiny tremors throughout your body. I have found that taking an occasional nitrous balloon, once every half hour or so, is a nice way to let off some of the tension. Cannabis can also work, and really brings out the visual qualities of BDFLY as well.

Another drawback is the absurd amount of energy it gives you (though some don't have this problem). After hour 4, I will want to go on endless walks to let off this energy, because if I'm sitting down I will get really restless and fidgety. First time I took it, I walked continuously for over 8+ hours, and when I came home I was not the least bit tired. This makes me think this would be an ideal chem for taking long hikes in the mountains, though I haven't tried that yet. Also, this energy makes falling asleep within 24+ hours of dosing impossible without a decent benzo or some opioids to calm the legs.

The biggest problem with BDFLY though, it is its lack of a "normal" psychedelic headspace. Apradavra put it very well, and I never really knew how to vocalize what I felt was missing in all my experiences until I read his post. With other psychedelics, one feels connections, and sees new relations between concepts and ideas, which generate psychedelic epiphanies. BDFLY is extremely deficient in this sense, it seems to be much more of a "surface level" psychedelic, providing interesting visuals, but always feeling as though its leading up to something bigger, and then falling short. Unlike Morning Glories or psilocybin, BDFLY trips tend to feel somewhat unfinished, like a sort of psychedelic tease. Because of this, I've wanted to try BDFLY in combination with a threshold dose of mushrooms, to induce a more provocative, meaningful experience, which I have yet to encounter with BDFLY alone.

However, it also has a lot to recommend it. The pros don't need as much description as the cons, so I think I can just list them briefly:

-Mood lift
-increased self-confidence
-Very nice CEV's and OEV's (though the visuals from BDFLY seem to look more "synthetic" then those of other psychedelics)
-Increased mental spontaneity (more amphetamine-like than psychedelic)
-Conversation enhancement, what you and others say seems more insightful
-Mild time-distortion
-(I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, but this post is too damn long already, sorry guys :\)


One important warning about mixing BDFLY w/ other substances, with two examples. I think that BDFLY definitely has a more delusional quality then most psychedelics, so be careful what you mix it with. In one case, a friend of mine, to whom I gave a dose of 350 mcg, decided to eat a fairly potent edible two hours after dosing, became delusional, and apparently had a painful psychological breakdown after he left to go to his boyfriends house (had I know this would happen, I would have tried to prevent it). Also, I once made the mistake of getting stupidly drunk at a party with some friends on the tail-end of one of the trips, rationalizing that it would help me fall asleep. Instead, the stimulation caused me to drink way too much because I didn't register the alcohol, and I apparently went completely nuts, convinced that I was over 300 years old and cursed by God; completely manic, yelling and delusional (though not violent). Stupid of me, but now I know better, and hope others won;t make the same mistake. :|

Anyway, my feeling is that BDFLY is best as a socially-oriented/lighthearted psychedelic, or perhaps as a platform for deeper, more meaningful experiences when combined with other psychedelics (conservative amounts though). By itself though, I don't think you can reach those levels without taking a dose that will take a definite toll on your body, 600 mcg already feels borderline-toxic during the come-up for me (though I probably will try higher doses at some point).

~and if anyone has read this entire post, I am deeply grateful for your patience, I tried to pare it down as much as possible~ :)
 
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I've taken Bromo-Dragonfly (a confirmed part of the notorious "B1" batch that caused the deaths of an RC purveyor and others) at least 7 times, and I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about it. The first time I was quite impressed by it, by the increased energy levels, mild but unique visual, and the feeling of mentally being in a higher gear, more clever (at 350mcg). Since then I've taken it in doses of up to 600mcg, and will definitely do it again, as I'm not going to run out in this lifetime...but I think that it does have some drawbacks.

One problem is the body load. The come-up can be difficult, with nausea, restlessness, and muscle tension, which is worst in the first three hours. Even when its in full gear, there is a moderate sense of edginess. I agree with Apradavra when he describes it as a slightly toxic feeling (very similar to the tension caused by methylphenidate). This wears off after 6-8 hours, but it makes the experience much less physically comfortable than say, mushrooms. Also, one can experience what I call "dragonfly shivers" very brief bouts of shuddering (not involuntary) that seem to send a wave of tin tremors throughout your body. I have found that taking an occasional nitrous balloon, once every half hour or so, is a nice way to let off some of the tension. Cannabis can also work, and really brings out the visual qualities of BDFLY as well.

Another drawback is the absurd amount of energy it gives you (though some don't have this problem). After hour 4, I will want to go on endless walks to let off this energy, because if I'm sitting down I will get really restless and fidgety. First time I took it, I walked continuously for over 8+ hours, and when I came home I was not the least bit tired. This makes me think this would be an ideal chem for taking long hikes in the mountains, though I haven't tried that yet. Also, this energy makes falling asleep within 24+ hours of dosing impossible without a decent benzo or some opioids to calm the legs.

The biggest problem with BDFLY though, it is its lack of a "normal" psychedelic headspace. Apradavra put it very well, and I never really knew how to vocalize what I felt was missing in all my experiences until I read his post. With other psychedelics, one feels connections, and sees new relations between concepts and ideas, which generate psychedelic epiphanies. BDFLY is extremely deficient in this sense, it seems to be much more of a "surface level" psychedelic, providing interesting visuals, but always feeling as though its leading up to something bigger, and then falling short. Unlike Morning Glories or psilocybin, BDFLY trips tend to feel somewhat unfinished, like a sort of psychedelic tease. Because of this, I've wanted to try BDFLY in combination with a threshold dose of mushrooms, to induce a more provocative, meaningful experience, which I have yet to encounter with BDFLY alone.

However, it also has a lot to recommend it. The pros don't need as much description as the cons, so I think I can just list them briefly:

-Mood lift
-increased self-confidence
-Very nice CEV's and OEV's (though the visuals from BDFLY seem to look more "synthetic" then those of other psychedelics)
-Increased mental spontaneity (more amphetamine-like than psychedelic)
-Conversation enhancement, what you and others say seems more insightful
-Mild time-distortion
-(I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, but this post is too damn long already, sorry guys :\)


One important warning about mixing BDFLY w/ other substances, with two examples. I think that BDFLY definitely has a more delusional quality then most psychedelics, so be careful what you mix it with. In one case, a friend of mine, to whom I gave a dose of 350 mcg, decided to eat a fairly potent edible two hours after dosing, became delusional, and apparently had a painful psychological breakdown after he left to go to his boyfriends house (had I know this would happen, I would have tried to prevent it). Also, I once made the mistake of getting stupidly drunk at a party with some friends on the tail-end of one of the trips, rationalizing that it would help me fall asleep. Instead, the stimulation caused me to drink way too much because I didn't register the alcohol, and I apparently went completely nuts, convinced that I was over 300 years old and cursed by God; completely manic, yelling and delusional (though not violent). Stupid of me, but now I know better, and hope others won;t make the same mistake. :|

Anyway, my feeling is that BDFLY is best as a socially-oriented/lighthearted psychedelic, or perhaps as a platform for deeper, more meaningful experiences when combined with other psychedelics (conservative amounts though). By itself though, I don't think you can reach those levels without taking a dose that will take a definite toll on your body, 600 mcg already feels borderline-toxic during the come-up for me (though I probably will try higher doses at some point).

~and if anyone has read this entire post, I am deeply grateful for your patience, I tried to pare it down as much as possible~ :)
Of course I read the entire thing! As i'll be ingesting this substance soon. Nice post.
 
Bromo-DragonFLY

Bromo-DragonFLY is a strange psychadelic that is almost as powerful as LSD, but its effects can last several days (way longer than DOB). There have been a few stories in the media about people overdosing on it. Seizures may also occur. A 22 year old man from Copenhagen died after ingesting Bromo-DragonFLY, for example. His friend described the trip as "It was like being dragged to hell and back again. Many times. It is the most evil [thing] I've ever tried. It lasted an eternity." Another person nearly died choking on their own vomit while on the drug. First synthesized in 1998, Bromo may be illegal in the US and Australia since it falls under analog laws. However, it may be legally sold in other countries (although it is scheduled in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark).

Here's some photos:

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bromo_dragonfly_summary1.jpg

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bromo_dragonfly_product1.jpg


Has anyone here had any experience with this drug? It is not to be confused with 2C-B-FLY.
 
I have experience with bromo-df , I took both isomers R+ and second less active "S-"?
what can i say , in my opinion this second isomer is much better than first , visual are very strong , very geometric , duration is shorter , but dosages is a bit higher (any 500 ug) , but unfortunately I heard that nobody don't make this compound , presently. In sell is available R+ but in my subjective opinion isn't interesting , duration is very long , very hard for body , visuals aren't any special , I noticed that is it "3 dimension " psychedelic , I cant explain this, you must try if you wanna understand me :)
 
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This is how I concluded a report for another forum, --"SWIM tends to think that with the amount of time, the negative side effects, and the resulting experience which one gets out of consuming bromo dragonfly, its just might not be worth it. Especially when safe, high quality, and wonderful molecules like LSD and DMT tend to always be around."
Still, LSD isn't BDF.

Every psychedelic is unique.
 
The vasoconstriction on this one makes it a no go for me. DOC did the same thing. A numbness in the gluts and inner thighs. Very strange sensation. I just acquired some 25I and 25C. Sincerely hoping to avoid a similar reaction.
I will admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the few experiences I had . . . except the first one. It does feel somewhat toxic, no other way to really describe that. At the higher end of the doses I tried (1100mcg IIRC), the visuals were some of the most exciting I've had from a PEA. Way more alive than the breathtaking visuals of 2C-E. As has been stated previously, maintained cognition throughout even the heaviest of experiences.
I've had a bunch laying around in solution for almost four years. I wonder if that shit is any good anymore. I would never take it again though. Not a chance.


I'll tell you this. I wish I had been a member of this fine forum back then. Could've saved me the anguish of my first dose. What a fucking trip!
 
This IME is the most unpleasant substance i've tried. I sat twitching for 25 hours while having audio hallucinations of my brother shouting my name up the stairs to my room..
 
Hello! First post, from South Brazil here.

Thanks for the info, descriptions of experiences, doses, cautions and everything - very usefull

Dealers are selling BDFLY in blotters as LSD - bought some HOFFMANS 100 YEARS (here in brazil knowed as bike 100 years, http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs23/f/2008/016/9/6/Bike_100_Years___LSD_by_coringabr.jpg)

Bought yesterday as acid for -snip- No price discussion ~Jesusgreen ;) - friends of mine would have fuck it up taking 4 or 5 blotters, if not mine researches and you guys! The backside says the lsd formula, misleading again and putting risks in demonizing such a wonderfull little chemical.

BASTARDS!

As a experienced psychedelic user, tried yesterday christmas a third part of blotter at 4 p.m, and after 3 hours (7 pm), more one third part, total two of three parts - and WOW, after 5h everything starts to change

Im still on the spacey felling after smoke marihuana (mora than 30 h)

AMAZING experience, NEVER saw visuals like that, a lot of time over the experience, not even with LSD or AYAHUASCA, which I took for more than 10 times. No insights or mindfucks, cristal clear - so I knowed it was not lsd

I felt A little bit paranoid because on the 5th hour vasoconstriction of fingers came, so I took a shower and change clothes, regaining the body focus and normal sensations. The first 5 hours were AMPHETAMINE, and after that, mixed psychodelic with MDMA feelings of everything beautyfullness, have a bunch of amazing experiences til 7. a.m (16 hours later) with loads of synesthesia and patters emerging from darkness


questions is someone knows

1) Do this substance cause dependence?
2) Do it has neurotoxicity?
3) Did someone tried with LSD? and about the doses?

awesome thanks
 
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How do you know this is BDFLY? Has it been independently confirmed? I say that because there are often blotters misrepresented as LSD, but they are normally dosed with a DOx compound.

16 hours of tripping sounds like it could have been something like DOB or DOC, or maybe even DOI. BDFLY is a pretty rare compound to find these days. And I believe it lasts longer than that.

If it was BDFLY, then to answer your questions:

1. BDFLY does not cause dependence in the sense of opiates, benzos, dissociatives, cocaine or amphetamines. Any desire to redose the next day or so would only arise from the nostalgic wish to experience the euphoria again, rather than the result of typical dependence/reward seen in other types of drugs.

2. It should not be neurotoxic.

3. I have no idea if this has been combined with LSD, but BDFLY is so rare I would imagine it will difficult to find someone who has. Even so, it's probably not the wisest combo.

Answers to questions 1 and 2 should apply to all similar psychedelics in the phenethylamine, tryptamine, and lysergamide classes.
 
Hi guys,

First post, long time lurker.

Let me start off by saying that this forum has provided me with enough information to save my life a few times over, so first things first, thank you for your generous information.

Another point I'd like to make clear is that the following is by no means responsible, and I cannot stress enough that the actions I put forward in this post should be used as an example of what NOT TO DO. My lesson learnt is also yours. Please be careful.

A little background information on myself. I am 26 years of age, and have been clean for over 5 years. I have a long history of drug abuse, however, have found myself in a happy place, clean, good job, good girlfriend, happy days. I no longer use, apart from the odd, I guess what you would call, hiccup. I may be inclined to take an LSD trip, shrooms, MDMA and maybe the odd dose of IV meth or cocaine, although I hate meth these days. Devil drug. My use of drugs of this nature would only be a bi-annual occurrence. Maybe more. Sometimes. You get me?

A friend of mine, a worldy sort, and by no means a drug addict, had acquired a bundle of "LSD" tabs from a random source at a music festival over three years ago. Ever since, he has been insisting we share the experience as he had heard that these particular acid trips were rather on the strong side. Knowing he had only kept them in his freezer wrapped up in a currency note only, I was never really fussed but played along with his insistence anyway.

Let me say now, I am a fairly heavy drinker now, not an alcoholic, but in my area of residence where drinking is almost as staple as milk and bread, I am heavy. What I'm getting at is, my past can from time to time manifest itself as a compulsive binge. So as settled and sorted as I may be, the drug addict in me will always rear it's head from time to time.

The friend I spoke of who was in possession of the "LSD" recently decided he was throwing everything away to go to South America for three years. This being one of my best friends, we decided we should go weekend trip to the coast to farewell each other for the near future. It wasn't spoken of but I knew, that this would be the time that he would bring the acid, and it would be taken. I assumed he'd destroyed it in his crude freezer treatment.

At this point I'd like to point out that he had given a work colleague ONE blotter of this acid, a guy who had supposedly ingested more acid than anyone else we'd met, a middle aged hanger on, and he'd called him during his trip and said something along the lines of..."only take quarter mannnnn". Sirens are ringing? Well you hear this kind of thing all the time where I'm from so you learn to ignore sales pitches...

We had the weekend to ourselves. A whole holiday home facing the ocean on some of the most beautiful coast on the planet. We get there on the Friday afternoon, and Aussies being Aussies, we hit the booze hard straight away. We had a BBQ, a fine meal with beautiful local red wine, and drank and drank and drank. I don't smoke marijuana anymore, as it makes me anxious, however, the others were smoking joint after joint.

A couple of the more responsible gentlemen went to bed, and the girls. Which left only three of us, on the balcony, the three best friends of the lot.

About an hour after being left to our own devices, "G" I'll call him states, "lets drop this acid".

At this point, completely drunk beyond belief, we all jump at the opportunity.

Normally we would take one blotter each as a minimum. Knowing this guy told us it was super strong and to use with caution, we took half each. Straight away, as soon as it hits my tongue, I know something is up. It's bitter, burning my tongue, and it tastes like chemicals. I'm too drunk too care (cannot stress enough again, this is terribly irresponsible, and a reason why alcohol can be so dangerous) so I don't bother saying anything.

Two hours of drinking go by, and feeling zero effects, before we all decide that we should dose again, pretty calm in the knowledge that its probably been destroyed in the freezer. So we all take another half.

At this point it is about 1 am, and we are at that drunk point where you're about to pass out, like being on the nod without the euphoria.

All of a sudden someone says something funny and I realise I'm ten times more awake than I thought we were. We've gone from on the nod alcohol passed outness, to rather awake in the space of ten minutes. From memory this is around three and a half hours after our first dose.

I start becoming more alert of my surroundings, not tripping, not stimulated, just awake, like the alcohol had been drained from our bodies. Sober.

We start laughing at nothing, talking shit, laughing, probably more due to the fact we were sober all of a sudden and thought we were high.

The decision is made to go for a mission to the beach. We leave the house and wander onto the small coastal town street. "Holy fuck, that street is black, it's like a tunnel mate!!". The streets of this little town had all of a sudden become a vortex, a never ending black hole of nothingness. We laughed and stumbled and fumbled our way to the weird sounding waves. You know the sound, the sound of waves, they're there, just over there, but they sound everywhere, close to your face, yet miles away.

We sit down on a bench seat facing the beach, and smoke weed. It's fairly typical tripping at this point.

We decide to wander down the beach, but feel lost, (the path is right by us) but have to scale a set of rocky type reefs to reach the sand. At this point all motor skills are gone, depth perception is FUCKED and my legs are not my own. We do okay, and laugh our way to the beautiful white sandy night sky coated beach. Our friend passes out in the sand. He's okay, he's fine, just needs a rest. He seems asleep to me.

So me and my other mate sit on the beach. Everything seems to be coming back to reality now, we're tired, and the world seems all the more normal. We have a (what we think was a real person) conversation with a shadowy person on the beach, before he leaves and completely freaks us out. We decide we're being trailed and wake up our mate and go home.

By the time we got back to the holiday home we are completely normal, drunk and tired if anything. Sitting on the balcony, we grab some drinks, pillows and blankets and just wait for the sunset to come over the sensational ocean. One of us cooks some sausages on the BBQ to fill our stomachs before bed. We take a few swigs of some codeine cough syrup to relax and we all sit back, decide to drop another TWO BLOTTERS of the rest of the "acid" that we had and comment how we might as well finish it all, seeing as it isn't that strong (please understand I am aware that this is very stupid). The last thing spoken of the night is by my best friend, he says "its been in his freezer too long, oh well man, not enough acid is always better than too much acid". It's been five hours since last dose.

I agree and we all softly fall asleep......

If only we knew what was to come.....




I cannot do more now. I shall finish tomorrow.
 
Oh my god a trip report with a cliffhanger, are you kidding me? =D

But seriously, thanks for the story and lesson - we can always use a lesson on this compound. If you finish later and do another proof read to make everything in order I can move this for you to the Trip Reports section (we can leave a link here).
In that case please provide a title for your report, and let us know how experienced you were with BDFly before this experience.

I'm interested to hear what happened next fwiw.
 
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