Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

[fastandbulbous]

eCsTaSy NoN sToP wrote:

pray tell, how would you make a fly or hemi-fly out of MDMA? unless you can turn chemistry on its head, i don't see how you're gonna attach a furan to the 4,5 carbons... you know, seeing as how the 4 carbon has the md ring attached to it... mm... yeah, plus let's think a bit about the activity of MDMA... ya know, the lone electrons on the oxygens.. attaching a furan to the 4,5 would have another exposed oxygen.. no way, no how... or are you suggesting that the furan rings share the oxygens on the md ring? no, serious, what are you trying to say? or are you simply daydreaming and know nothing about chem?

You've still got a chip on your shoulder about the ALD-52 hydrolysis thread (Heirarchy of LSD), haven't you? Well lets see... first of all, learn to read, dear boy. In your enthusiasm to call me a chemistry simpleton you didn't read my post properly - I wasn't talking about MDMA, I was talking about DMMDA (see structures below)

and as you can see, it is possible to get DMMDA to form a hemi-dragonfly structure, but not DMMDA-2 (because DMMDA contains the essential 2,5-dimethoxy substituents and is unsubstituted at pos 6.

Secondly, why would you want to make a hemi-dragonfly of MDMA (even if you could)? The dragonflies & hemi-dragonflies are very potent 5HT2a agonists, but MDMA has bog all activity at the 5HT2a receptor - it acts on the SERT and DAT systems, effectively putting them into reverse and causing an efflux of serotonin and dopamine.

As for the comment about daydreaming and making up things in chemistry, I do check what I write before commiting it for public scrutiny, ensuring that I've got the facts correct (or as near as dammit). When you do what you've done, and use incorrect facts to take a condecending approach in an attempt to belittle others, it just makes you look like a complete egotistical windbag. You were incorrect before, and incorrect again - next time, before going off half-cocked try taking a little time to think about what you've read and are about to write. That way you can learn a few things, rather than just ranting because your pride was hurt.

PS Had you been civil in your questioning, I wouldn't have made a point of highlighting all the bits you were incorrect about. Get over yourself - everybody is wrong at some point, but the people interested in the science, and not just inflating their ego learn from it and move on.

Give it a try sometime

 

[eCsTaSy NoN sToP]

fastandbulbous

wow, hey, dude, chill... i realize you can attach one ring, but you're the one with the chip on your shoulder... i wasn't even talking to you... i was posting in response to

genaro:
any pea could be turned into a fly compound ?
IF so that would be great to try this with....mmm mescaline (!!), mdma, mda, dom, and a few others....well especially mescaline

and

tathra: maybe it'd be possible to have mdxa hemiflies/hemidragonflies too...

if you're competent at all, you can disect my post into which part is in response to the first guy and which part is in response to the second guy... get over it, bro! i don't give a shit about you, and especially not enough to try and "attack" you or whatever... i didn't "misread" your post or whatever, delusional freak! i really am talking about making flies out of MDMA, too bad you don't know how to read...

one more time.. _I_ do NOT give a flying shit about you. get over it, or stop taking the drugs that are making you delusional!

 

[fastandbulbous]

If it wasn't aimed at me, then I apologize about the attitude. I simply looked at the first post before yours to mention methylenedioxy compounds, which happened to be mine. That, taken with the way that the hydrolysis arguement developed meant that I assumed that you were making comments about my post.

It helps if you quote what you are replying to at the top of the thread. Again, if I mistook the content of your post I apologize

 

[eCsTaSy NoN sToP]

no biggie bro... i was a lil edgy cause i ran outta pot, but i got pot now and my mind is cleared up... we cool?
and i also realized i actually made a mistake in my post, but you quoted me so i can't sneakily change it.. oh well... true about the quoting part.. i should really start doing that.. it gets me in so much trouble, i swear..
instead of 4,5 carbons, that should read 2,3 :-D wow, not being stoned messes with me mmyeah... i'm out, munchies are here

 

[C6H6]

Structurally somewhat related to the dragonflies is 9-(aminomethyl)-9,10-dihydroanthracene
which is a potent 5-HT2A antagonist:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10513561&query_hl=2

 

[whiterasta]

A bit of good advice from folks who care at the shroomery

 

[crOOk]

Ok, I'm gonna find out where the threshold dose lies. I have ingested 10ug at 6pm. I do not expect anything to happen. If I am right, I will get up early tomorrow and ingest 25ug. It might be a little to soon though for the second dose considering how slowly it is metabolized...
I will work my way up within the next two weeks. I plan to do 25, 50 and then maybe I know how much I am going to need for a full blown trip at the voov experience.

crOOk

 

[crOOk]

Ok well... I had 10ug and 4 hours later I actually felt some sort of tingling body high. Did not expect that. Also my mood is better than before and I am more alert. I proceeded to ingest another 40ug. Can't wait.

crOOk

 

[crOOk]

Yeah, this is good stuff... Pleasant body high, brighter colors, euphoria etc.
I'll try 100ug tomorrow. I wonder if I'll be able to sleep now... Might be kinda hard.

crOOk

 

[gloggawogga]

Apparently in some other forums today Shulgin is being quoted as follows:

B-DFLY is active in man at about 100 micrograms i.m. administration. It is without oral activity at 10x this dosage. (Shulgin, 2003a).

 

[farabove_theclouds]

I personally have my supply of bdfly in a solution with alcohol. For those who experimenting with similar material:
I strongly recommend NOT to inject alcoholic solutions. I actually don't know about the risks of that, but I would hesitate to do that.

 

[crOOk]

Apparently in some other forums today Shulgin is being quoted as follows:

B-DFLY is active in man at about 100 micrograms i.m. administration. It is without oral activity at 10x this dosage. (Shulgin, 2003a).

WTF?! BS. Or is it? Damn, I'll keep you guys updated. 50ug were like I said a threshold dose, I will try 100 very soon! Where did you get that from? Would you plz supply a link?

EDIT: Sooner than I thought actually, like... Now. Hehehe.

crOOk

 

[crOOk]

100ug... inactive.
I've never administered anything via IM or IV route, so I guess I just lost 90 Euros. Great fucking day.

EDIT: I'm simply gonna reup the dosage by another 125ug now. If that doesn't show any effect, this stuff is useless to me...

EDIT2: Done.

crOOk

 

[don Pedro]

Shulgins not yet published 'Psychedelic Index' says:

B-DFLY is active in man at about 100 micrograms i.m. administration. It is without oral activity at 10x this dosage. (Shulgin, 2003a).

So you're probably not gonna get much out of it by eating more. Sorry to bust your bubble.

 

[gn2osis]

Well, if it's not orally active.... try diluting it with 10 parts of H2O, and put that wine where the sun don't shine! :D

Definitely evaporate off all the alcohol first before you try to inject.

 

[crOOk]

Ok, I had 220ug orally today, this stuff is inactive via the oral route, at least at doses up to 220ug. :D

I might give smoking a try. I will definitely not IV it though, although I assume IV'ing ethanol would be safe, right?

Ok, well, 90 fucking euros down the drain.

I'm just glad about the DPT Freebase I finally got to try.
I've been laughing my fucking ass off for the whole night, DPT is definitely my favourite tryptamine. I've loved the HCl salt and I could get addicted to the Freebase. :D Seriously, it is awesome, ecstatic, as long as you go careful on the dosage...

crOOk

 

[B9]

I kind of think the dosage needs to be nearer the milligramme than down at a couple of hundred micrograms, which will make it pricey.
Zophen

 

[eCsTaSy NoN sToP]

i don't think shulgin would try to deceive anyone... why would he lie about the dosage of something? if anything, out of all the people in the world, i'd believe shulgin is one of the foremost authorities with respect to drugs. but that's my personal opinion.
crook, you ever try 4-HO-DET?

 

[crOOk]

4-HO-DET? Nope, have not. Why are you asking though?

EDIT: LOL, I just realized that I forgot to hit "Submit Reply" before i left... This is what I was gonna post:

UPDATE: I have heard of an anecdotal report of an unfortunate coincidence that lead to the intake of 400mcg, which resulted in a moderate effect...

Interesting.

crOOk

Well, I have ingested 220ug today, I can't really tell if there was any effect, since the DPT would be overshadowing it... I guess I will know if I can sleep tonight.
I need to go for 350ug next time. If that isn't really strong I might juts as well up it with another couple of hundred micrograms. I'm kinda disappointed since everyone claimed it to be active at a much lower dose...

crOOk

 

[specialspack]

^ Funny how rumours about super-potent psychedelics with cool names spread really quickly on the internet, with people claiming dosages based on very little evidence and saying how they are sure they've had it on a blotter or from a trusted source...

Maybe, cr00k, next time you'll think twice about believing what you read and do your research more thoroughly. Your disappointment seems ironically karmic after your initial dangerous ideas about giving out an unknown chemical at a rave..