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Most psychedelics are pretty dose sensitive especially on the low to mid-range end of the dosing scale. At higher doses the relationship between dose and intensity is a lot less pronounced. Very light doses usually aren't all that psychedelic and mostly just give you a taste of the body high. At a certain dose you start getting the full range of effects (altered mood and mental state, visual distortions, body high, etc.), and at some point as you ramp the dosage up, you eventually stop getting much bang for your buck by adding more.

I've never tried to abort a trip myself; I find it's generally more productive and ultimately more enjoyable to work through a difficult trip than to try to KEEL IT WITH FIRE. That said, if you want to have a pharmaceutical safety net, a fast-acting benzo would be your best bet. I think it would be best to leave it with a trip sitter if you have one rather than holding onto it yourself - if you start to have a difficult time, trying to decide if and when to pop the benzo could stress you out and make it worse, and there's no guarantee the benzo will calm you down sufficiently. If it does, it'll probably mute the rest of the trip quite a bit.

2C-B or 2C-C would be a nice, gentle introduction to psychedelics, but IMHO the 4-substituted tryptamines are the best place to start if you want a full taste of psychedelia. LSD is great too, but something shorter lasting seems preferable for a first timer.
 
ColtDan said:
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+1

but at low doses.
it allows you to test the waters as slowly as you like only lasts a short amount of time and as an added bonus leaves your ego relatively intact compared to the classics such as acid or mushrooms, which makes it quite easy to handle.
 
Black said:
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but at low doses.
it allows you to test the waters as slowly as you like only lasts a short amount of time and as an added bonus leaves your ego relatively intact compared to the classics such as acid or mushrooms, which makes it quite easy to handle.
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I have read about the 'ego death' thing, but I still do not fully understand it
Also, how do psychedelics work on the serotonin in the brain ?
 
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mushrooms defenatly, with mushrooms you are 100% sure of what your getting and you can dose how much u want easier than lets say lsd because with lsd you never no how potent it is but best of luck dude!
 
th3 s1aught3r said:
I have read about the 'ego death' thing, but I still do not fully understand it
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Unfortunately, it's one of those things that has to be experienced. Also, you may not immediately understand it but integrate it at a later date.

If this sounds like acid casualty bollocks then... well, it is. ;)
 
Well don't do what my 'first time' friend did and much roughly half a mg of LSD in one go.

Needless to say, he's off drugs for a bit.

+1 for 15mg - 20mg 4-aco-dmt

Or, i tried 4-ho-mipt the other day; really loved the stuff and had a very short duration (<2 hours) so maybe worth a look.
 
I have read about the 'ego death' thing, but I still do not fully understand it
Also, how do psychedelics work on the serotonin in the brain ?

Theres only one way to understand the ego death..............and thats to go there:) get packing!!!
 
I personally really like shrooms and I'm pretty sure a lowish dose of shrooms (1.5g-2g) can't go wrong. Even if your trip starts to go in the wrong direction, just go lay outside or something and it should help. Also tripping with one other person usually makes it a lot better than being alone.

Back when I was still inexperienced with drugs and somewhat unstable mentally I had a low-mid trip that started going down hill at first, but going outside and chilling with my dog on my lawn allowed me to enjoy the rest and definitely made up for it. Listening to the sounds of the night are quite pleasant on shrooms :P

Btw ego death is basically you stop existing and sorta watch the world, you become a part of the world. Coming back to reality after experiencing full ego death can sometimes be hard to deal with mentally because you had already accepted that you didn't exist.

Well don't do what my 'first time' friend did and much roughly half a mg of LSD in one go.
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Oh god... My first time doing acid I did 4 hits with some amp and it was beyond frustrating, I really regret mixing in the amp and doing this alone, but I ended up fine afterwards unlike one of my previous shroom trips >.< I'm not too fond of acid's duration tbh.
 
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for your first tryp smoke some about 30mg of 5 Meo DMT mane. But on the real start with a low dose of shrooms like a 16th. but buy an eigth so you can redose if you wanna shift in higha gear. and keep your mind right
 
th3 s1aught3r said:
Cheers. Are psychedelics very dose sensitive, so if I take a low dose the trip would be mild ?
Also any antipsychotics you would recommend ?
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It depends heavily on the psychedelic. 2C-P, 5-MeO-DALT, any DOx or NBOMe are all very dose-sensitive. LSD, on the other hand, you can take twenty hits (but don't do that your first time!) and be fine.

I recommend 2C-C, 2C-B, 2C-I, 5-MeO-MiPT, or 5-MeO-DiPT as a first trip. 5-MeO-DALT might be okay but it seems to do really weird, ugly things to a certain minority of the people who take it.

Also, seroquel is a good antipsychotic. Kava is the most accessible and should be quite effective.
 
jackie jones said:
I found, and still find psilocybin to be challenging psychologically.
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i feel the same way about mushrooms. I've found truffles to be a lot easier on the psyche. It's a happier trip and it doesn't last as long as other shrooms. imo a great introduction to psilocybin adventures.
 
th3 s1aught3r said:
What about 4 aco dmt. i have heard its the same as mushrooms, only smoother ?
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It's a little different to mushrooms because mushrooms also contain Baeocystin and active 4-HO-DMT that doesn't need to be metabolised from one of it's esters (4-PO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT)

However as someone who *did* try it as my first psychedelic I offer my recommendation, it was a wonderful experience and very forgiving.

Although it's not a psychedelic, large doses of the dissociative Ketamine definitely helped prepare me for psychedelics, as ego loss is easy to reach and having experienced it before my first time experiencing ego loss on psychedelics was much easier for me.
 
There's nothing wrong with an RC as your first so long as you have access to/are willing to buy a decent milligram scale. With proper measurement you'll have a better idea how much you're taking than with shrooms (which vary in potency) or acid (no telling how strong that blotter is unless an experienced friend tries one first). I started with 2C-I and still think it was a good choice, 2C-B is even more enjoyable and the shorter trip might also be a plus. 5-MeO-DiPT is another good one (or 5-MeO-MiPT which I've never tried but understand is pretty similar); that one was my wife's first and she loved it. 4-AcO-DMT might not be too bad although it's more mentally intense than the others I mentioned.

But in the end, it'll have to be up to you. Do plenty of research and check out as many trip reports as you can, make sure you can accurately measure any RC you're considering, and make a decision from there.
 
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You don't need a decent milligram scale, even. You just need a scale good enough to weigh out your entire supply, then you can dissolve it in a measured volume of water or some other solvent and use liquid dosing (e.g., if you have 1g of 4-aco-dmt, you can dissolve it in 100mL distilled water and each 1mL will have 10mg of 4-aco; then you can just use a dropper/syringe with the needle cut off to measure the liquid quickly, easily and precisely). You can get far more accurately measured doses this way than with any milligram scale a casual drug user is likely to invest in. The ones that are actually accurate to within 1mg are super expensive. I don't trust those cheap $30-50 gem scales you can get on eBay to weigh out anything under about 200mg with much accuracy.
 
Everyone's going to tell u something different.

My first real psychedelic besides smoking and eating herb which is a psychedelic for some people, was a high dose geltab of LSD. Then I tried a moderate dose of shrooms.

A lot of what's sold as "acid" or "LSD" these days isn't LSD at all but is some RC, blotter/gels/liquid without drugs in it, very weak LSD, and if you're very lucky it'll be real LSD and at a high ug. But there's no way to tell this until you take it.

Shrooms work but don't take more than 2g dried or even 1.5g or half an 8th.

Mescaline or san pedro cactus interests me. LSA or HBWR/Morning Glory seeds don't really interest me since I've had LSD already and I don't want to take LSA.

Do some research on Erowid.org and figure out which one is right for you. Maybe try eating lots of herb or hash in food or a dessert since this brings out the psychedelic effects of herb?
 
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Good point, I forget about that option sometimes since I've got a fairly expensive scale. Liquid dilution is a great option, but I'd recommend a 0.01g scale (even a pretty cheap one should be good enough for this purpose so long as it comes with a calibration weight) to confirm what you've actually got in your bag. A 0.1g scale is fine for weed, but you're talking at least +/-10% on a 1-gram bag or 20% on a half-gram, so at least one extra digit is a good idea, and mandatory if you're going to be ordering 250-500mg bags. Remember, what you get is much more likely to be over the ordered quantity than under it (hell, I've occasionally gotten "1 gram" bags weighing 1.3-1.4g), so this step is pretty important to make sure you don't overdo it.
 
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